Apex'i AVC-R

[hypergenesis]

Hey there new to the forums so heres a little bit about me

Bought a 96 Gs-T bone stock with 140k miles but engine is all commuter miles and still runs strong back in June 2010 for a commuter car and my dsm love started there

Did all the maintenence on the car, had the timing belt, starter, water pump, and some gaskets changed so far. Recently I bought another 97 Gs-T with 96k miles and salvaged title due to the fact that I couldnt pass up the parts that came with the car.

Currently im in the process of transfering most of the parts from the 97 Gs-T that has a few problems and is salvaged over to my clean titled 96 gst.

The parts currently on/going to be on the car are as follows (these are parts in my possession:

3" Apex'i n1 down pipe - Installed
3" Turbo back Greddy Evo 2 exhaust - Installed
Apex'i FMIC
Greddy type -rs BoV
Tein SS coilovers
K&N Air filter adapter + filter - Installed
Turbo Timer
Apex'i AVC-R EBC
Apex'i Air/Fuel Electronic Management system


These are the current mods/Soon to be mods soon to be on the car.

I already installed the exhaust with Air filter in one night and plan to get the FMIC, BoV with hard piping, as well as the entire suspension and 2gb conversion done by the end of this week. After that im faced with the challenge of removing the 3 electronic devices listed above to be removed from one car and installed in another and im currently facing the problem of how hard it actually is to wire and install everything. From the wiring diagrams it doesn't seem to difficult to simply install the wires where the prongs belong but I could be wrong thats why Im on here asking for everyone elses help.
Now has anyone installed a EBC that is close to or along the lines of the AVC-R?
and if so how difficult was it?

Also one more thing, this will be a really big noob question but I cant seem to find a direct answer that im looking for

If I have something like the AVC-R would another program like DSMLink still be needed or will the AVC-R be adequate enough for tuning?


Also any opinions on the current parts and setup is appreciated

 

[MasterFrmMO88]

The AVC-R is not a full tuning computer. Unfortunately, with how old these cars are, you can't easily tune them without DSM-Link as any other form of tuning requires a flash. I must admit, I have never installed an EBC myself but here is a link for the install instructions: http://www.apexi-usa.com/content/pdf5483.pdf

As far as I am aware, while the AVC can perform complex boost regulation, it cannot goes as far into tuning as adjusting injector duty cycles, etc. that would help adjust your AFR to get optimal fuel usage for boost levels. But as far as wiring goes, chances are you will have ti splice new wiring into the 96 but that is only a matter of connecting about 5 wires to the ECU which is just behind your center console, so not too far away.

 

[hypergenesis]

so its just simple connections of the wires to the right prongs on the ecu?

Also how much power would i be looking to gain IF the AVC-R is set up correctly?

Also what is a set HP you plan to use dsmlink for? Im honestly looking just to get around 300-350 HP just like every other person who starts with a DSM.

 

[MasterFrmMO88]

You dont really need to look into DSMLink (and as a matter of fact, I wouldnt recommend it for someone starting out.) But I am going to pull the old fart card here and say that you shouldn't be asking questions like what setup should I use to get 300hp? Just start here: Tech Guide: 2G 4G63t Upgrades - DSMtuners

 

[hypergenesis]

Well im not entiriely asking about what setup i already know the basic Upgrade guide for eclipses my point is will the AVC-R help reach my goals easier or would it just be the same

 

[red_devil]

The AVCR is just a geeky boost controller. It allows you to set different boost levels at different rpms and gears. This can make it more of a pain to tune, I also noticed that it was very temperamental in cold weather conditions. I would recommend to just buy a mbc and sell it for the money.

 

[hypergenesis]

The AVCR is just a geeky boost controller. It allows you to set different boost levels at different rpms and gears. This can make it more of a pain to tune, I also noticed that it was very temperamental in cold weather conditions. I would recommend to just buy a mbc and sell it for the money.

is it really that much of a pain, even though it is geeky it is a lower alternative to dsmlink. Only reason im "defending" the AVC-R is due to the fact that one came with the other car I am using for parts, '


Also is a Super Air flow converter SAFCII from apex'i even worth having or using? Yet again this car isnt being made specifically for track purposes at all.

 

[red_devil]

The SAFC is used for tuning and is a lower alternative to link, the AVCR is just used for boost control and does not help you tune the car. In a way it can make it worse as I never go solid boost control with my AVCR.

If your keeping the T25 and stock injectors then keep the boost low. Now if you upgrade to a larger turbo and injectors then you can use the SAFC for anything under around 650cc. If you want to go bigger then get ESMlink lite. Having a SAFC and an AVCR can not compete with link and a regular mbc.

 

[hypergenesis]

So the AVC-R isn't really even going to help tune my car whatsoever?

Also the SAFCII, how does this help tune the car in general?


And later I plan to slowly switch out the injectors and turbo but its a progression type of project.

Thanks
Armin


Edit:
So how useful is DSMLink in the end then?

And how do you change the options on DSMlink would it require a laptop to connect the cables?

 

[JasonStern]

So the AVC-R isn't really even going to help tune my car whatsoever?

no. it is a boost controller. presuming you have wideband/datalogging, you can use it to increase your boost pressure netting more horsepower, but you are still limited to what the stock fuel maps flow.

Also the SAFCII, how does this help tune the car in general?

if you install bigger injectors, the S-AFC2 can tell the stock computer (ECU) that less air is going in to the motor. the ecu then injects less fuel, but since the injectors are bigger, the "correct" amount of fuel goes into the engine.

And later I plan to slowly switch out the injectors and turbo but its a progression type of project.

then I recommend buying a boost gauge and wideband o2/data logger first, then slowly turn up the boost, monitoring as you go, until you first max out your current setup.

So how useful is DSMLink in the end then?

very. rather than tricking the ecu into thinking the amount of air is different to compensate for injectors, you set the maps, so the ecu knows what injectors it has and how much fuel to inject.

And how do you change the options on DSMlink would it require a laptop to connect the cables?

yes, a laptop is needed.

 

[hypergenesis]

no. it is a boost controller. presuming you have wideband/datalogging, you can use it to increase your boost pressure netting more horsepower, but you are still limited to what the stock fuel maps flow.




if you install bigger injectors, the S-AFC2 can tell the stock computer (ECU) that less air is going in to the motor. the ecu then injects less fuel, but since the injectors are bigger, the "correct" amount of fuel goes into the engine.





then I recommend buying a boost gauge and wideband o2/data logger first, then slowly turn up the boost, monitoring as you go, until you first max out your current setup.




very. rather than tricking the ecu into thinking the amount of air is different to compensate for injectors, you set the maps, so the ecu knows what injectors it has and how much fuel to inject.




yes, a laptop is needed.

Wow, Thanks basically told me everything I need to know.