anyone know about the xs power turbos?

[96gstdsm]

I searched but didn't find any info on the 57 trim xs power turbo's for the eclipse. i see them on ebay for sale. i know everyone says never buy off ebay etc.. but just wondering if anyone knows anything personally about these ones? i was planning on getting an evo3 b16g from like turbochargers.com or somehting(by the way is that the same thing as the ones on sbr.com? cause they say they price mach the real evo3! ) let me know about that. But would also just like to know about the evay 57 trim turbos. or 57 etc. seem real cheap and everyone says you get what you pay for but not always so just wondering.

ok let me know any info. thanks --ryan.



http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/T3-T4-Turbo-50-A-R-500-whp-Civic-Integra-57-TRIM_W0QQitemZ250022375454QQihZ015QQcategoryZ33742QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[brute]

Do a search for "ssautochrome" and "evo gt"

If you have any other questions, feel free to ask.

 

[denniegst]

i shit on those turbos RAWR!!!

well from what ive read people either have luck with them or dont

 

[96gstdsm]

Oh ok i did not realize they were all like that. dont want to risk that.

On another note... do you know what the estimate hp rating would be give or take some with like a 50 trim intalled on a 96 gst? would do exhaust, intake, fmic mbc for startes. just interested in the comparison between that and the evo3 b16g turbo. how is the lag with a 50 or 57 trim turbo compared to a 16g?

Also just with my complete stock setup except for bov approximately how much power does the evo3b16g turbo add if any? any ideas? just want to see what will get me to where with what turbo etc.. have been thinking i would go with the 16g but considering the 50 or 57 trim turbo.


Any info would help alot. --ryan.

 

[eclipse_20g]

To be honest, I would never buy a turbo off of an ebay vendor. WAY too many sob stories of peoples turbos blowing in no time and every other thing that could go wrong. Then they have the whole spiel about trying to get them replaced, trying to contact the vendor, heartache after heartache.

Get one from a reputed vendor, that has a good reputation, and offers a warranty. What are you going to save really? Is it worth the peace of mind and knowing that if something does go wrong, you're covered?

Next, you are talking about a pretty big difference between a 16g and a 57 trim turbo. You'll need at least a few necessary modifications to house the 57-trim turbo in your car. On the other hand, the 16g line of turbos are a very popular "drop-in" replacement for your stock turbo. Very minimal modifications needed. You will notice a difference from your t-25 to the evo3 turbo. A small amount of lag, but much more pull up top. Considering everything else is stock, you'll still be running the same boost pressure, but you might want to think about getting yourself some means of a tuning tool soon.

 

[96gstdsm]

well for the evo316g which i think i am going to go with, i would get an mbc so with that bumper up to maybe 16 psi would that be a very noticeable difference in accelleration and all?

what would be the best (also for the money, dont have alot of extra right now) tuning tool to purchase? i do plan on getting many more mods to this car, gonna do fuel upgrades prety soon. just was curious what it would be capable of with just using an mbc and a bov as my stock one sucks and leaks! what can i safely put the 16g turbo to as in psi? does it pull hard to redline? cause my t25 sucks after like 4500 rpm's!

also what is the difference in lag between the evo3 and say the 50 or 57 trim turbo? just want to make sure i get the one i will like and not want to upgrade for a more powerfull one right away. i am not going to be doing racing, maybe i'll take it to a drag strip once or twice, just for a street car.

-----ryan.

 

[96gstdsm]

oh and also i am just wondering if the evo3 big 16g on turbochargers.com is the same as the one at sbr.com? cause they say that they will price match the real evo3 which i saw on turbochargers.com but it was like 100 cheaper, want to make sure if i go with that one i dont get some shady knockoff.

 

[brute]

Stick with the Evo 3. Just make sure the one you get is an MHI unit. The Evo 16g is very good about pulling hard to redline. As for boost level, I'd leave it lower than that until you get proper supporting mods. Get a logger. That's the best tuning tool you can use as of now. Just take it slow, no need to rush things.

Turbochargers.com sells all 16g variations:

-Small 16g
-Big 16g
-Evo III Big 16g
-Evo III GT

The top three are made by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries (MHI) and are tested and proven. The "GT" is a model that came out just recently. People have mixed reviews on them. Because of this hit-or-miss type quality, I suggest getting a "real" Evo III Big 16g. You can't go wrong. You also need to look at a 2g install kit. If you have the money, the turbochargers.com "2g Total Solution Kit" would be exactly what you need to get it on your car.

 

[96gstdsm]

ok sounds good, i think i am most likely going to go with the evo3!

is the turbochargers.com install kit for the gt work the same with the evo3? also is that a good deal for 150? or would it be cheaper and not to hard to buy everything separate?

would that and the turbo be the only things i would need in order to install it on my gst?

Also would a 2.5 inch downpipe be best to prevent boost creep without losing too much power?

what would be the more crucial supporting mods i should get in order to handle higher boost pressure? are arp head studs needed at this sort of power level?

And one mroe thing: does it make a difference where i buy the evo3 from? sbr or turbochargers.com the same prety much? no one is known to be more reliable and goo with shipping etc?

ryan

 

[keymaster]

If you plan on really modding the car later, save for DSMLink, don't mess with that SAFC crap. I'd recommend saving enough money to get: injectors (at least 660cc), 190lph pump, FMIC. All at the same time.

ETA: posted at the same time. You aren't nearly at the point where ARP's are needed. Save your money for Link, injectors, fuel pump, and intercooler.

 

[brute]

Link is definitely a great program. With the money you were going to spend on SAFC and a logger, you could buy Link. You won't regret it! Also, if you haven't checked this out yet, this guide is very helpful: http://www.dsmtuners.com/sub.php?page=2gtupgrades

 

[96gstdsm]

when it comes to computer tuning and such on a car i am clueless. are there places i can go to get it tuned? or is it easy to figure out and do myself? if i take it somewhere any ideas on price to have itt tuned to it's potential?

 

[austintalon]

well for the evo316g which i think i am going to go with, i would get an mbc so with that bumper up to maybe 16 psi would that be a very noticeable difference in accelleration and all?



-----ryan.

OH yes. Noticing a difference would be an understatement. I hope you have some good tires on your car!
As far as tuning goes, like other people said it really depends on your goals. I know the Link is by far the best bang-for-the-buck, but I still use the old AFC. No matter what device you go with, do alot of searching (there are some GREAT websites for base tuning out there) and try to find a local buddy to help you out at first.

 

[dr1ftx3]

I recommend the GT, I've been running it for months with zero problems, zero boost creep, and zero complaints. +1 for GT concepts.

 

[brknDSM]

Garrett T04E 57 almost exactly matches the 20g in size. It's fairly inexpensive also provided you already have the manifold

I run this turbo on my modded 4g64 engine and have a friend with one on a stock GST. The stock GST had factory injectors and pump topped out, FMIC and 2.5 DP with 3" exhaust. Car ran great, more power, no knock, no problems at all. Problem was it felt like a rubber band and didn't spool till a tad over 4000rpm. If you like that kick-to-the-ass powerband feeling, go for it.

+1 for the 57 trim

 

[96gstdsm]

i was just looking now at a graph on sbr.com of the evo3 b16g turbo. it seemed to be a bit laggy, till like 4000, or 4500. is this the case normally? it also seemed to die down around 6000 is this how it is? doesn;t seem to be the greatest power curve. i dont know if that is just how they set it up or what. they had 400 hp on their eclipse. also the torque curve did not seem to be very great either.

Will this turbo feel laggy? and does it feel like it pulls hard to redline, or does it leave you wishing you had more top end power(for street driving) not doing any track stuff here!

keep getting ready to buy that one and then find something else that makes me second guess! if anyone has some good graphs of the evo3 i would be very thankfull! please let me know any info about this.

thanks.

here is the graph i am talking about.

http://www.slowboyracing.com/downloads/dyno%20graphs/Evo-III-16G/E316G%20Tubular%20vs.%20Cast.JPG

 

[GreddyGst]

Here is a thread that talks about XS or Ebay Turbo kits. It starts out good but it doesn't have a good ending... You pretty much risk yourself with this ebay kits. Sometimes they work sometimes they don't but they usually work for 2-3months then poop it dies hahaaha

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=212936

I personally wouldn't buy any ebay turbo kits, they are cheap for a reason. Do once, do it right.

 

[96gstdsm]

i was just looking now at a graph on sbr.com of the evo3 b16g turbo. it seemed to be a bit laggy, till like 4000, or 4500. is this the case normally? it also seemed to die down around 6000 is this how it is? doesn;t seem to be the greatest power curve. i dont know if that is just how they set it up or what. they had 400 hp on their eclipse. also the torque curve did not seem to be very great either.

Will this turbo feel laggy? and does it feel like it pulls hard to redline, or does it leave you wishing you had more top end power(for street driving) not doing any track stuff here!

keep getting ready to buy that one and then find something else that makes me second guess! if anyone has some good graphs of the evo3 i would be very thankfull! please let me know any info about this.

thanks.

here is the graph i am talking about.

http://www.slowboyracing.com/downloads/dyno%20graphs/Evo-III-16G/E316G%20Tubular%20vs.%20Cast.JPG

thought i would ask again and see if anyone had any input on this.