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Doug99RS

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Palm Scan EP
For a few years now most of the DSM Community has been taking advantage of palm-based code
retrieval and datalogging. This has prodominantly been used in the form of PocketLogger. Around
the same time or shortly after PocketLogger made it's name in the tuning community DSMLink
became really big. DSMLink brought lap-top programming to the DSM world.

As good as DSMLink was and DSMLink v2 and pocketlogger are, they still cater to the Turbo world and ONLY to DSM's. Now there is an alternative and one that can be used on nearly every car that is OBDII compliant. This comes in the form of a palm based scanner and logging software for the PC/Laptop. The software is put out by a company called SPX/OTC. This company provides software and hardware for ALL of the chrysler dealer scantools as well as scan tools produced by tool companies such as Snap-on, Mac and Matco. The specific software I will be referring to will be the "Enhanced EP" software because it will include datalogging options that can be played back on the palm or on a pc, as well as better communications with the subject vehicle.

The set-up is rather simple actually. You take the average palm with a springboard slot
and plug in the cartridge in to the slot. The particular palm I use is the palm visor. Display is not in color but it does the trick. On the other end of the cartridge is the OBDII cable. It plugs right in to the OBDII DLC (data link connector) and away you go. Plugging in the cartridge will load all the software needed for the application. When finished, simply remove the cartridge and you're back to normal. This means that you can plug it in to any palm without having to reload any software from a PC in order for it to work. After the software loads you have a number of vehicle types you can chose from: Ford, GM, Chrysler, Asian or European. Asian vehicles include Kia, Mazda, Mitsu, Nissan, Subaru, Infiniti, Honda, Accura, Lexus, Isuzu, Hyundai, and two types of Toyota. In addition to that you can also chose specific vehicle communications such as SAE J1859 PWM or VPW, ISO 9141-2 and ISO 14230 F.I. The European cars include Mercedez-benz, BMW, Porsche, Audi, Volkswagen, Volvo, Saab, and then SAEJ1850 PWM, VPW, ISO 9141-2, ISO14230 Fast and five Baud.

Once you chose your vehicle type or communications type you will be able to chose from another
menu that includes: Diagnostic Trouble Codes (Retrieval), Freeze Frame Data, Clear
Memory/Fault Codes, OBDII Monitor status, Oxygen sensors status, and live data.

Code Retrieval
From the Code retrieval screen you are able to read permanent fault codes, pending fault codes or 1trips failures, and clear memory. Fault code will be displayed as either No Permanent fault or each code individually in their full "P" code style which pinpoints the exact manor in which the related component has failed. The pending status screen will display codes that have been set but have not occured enough to turn on the check engine light. Frequently codes will only be set after a component has failed a test twice in a row. The average scanner will not display "1 trip failures", only hard faults that cause the check engine light to come on. Clearing the memory is an option from many areas while in the "codes retrieval" area.


Freeze Frame
When a fault code is set the engine controller is able to store several readings in order to help reproduce the fault code during the diagnosistic stages of repairs. Freeze Frame data will consist of engine RPM, Engine Coolant Temperature, Fuel system status (open or closed loop), throttle position, vehicle speed, and ambient temperature. This information is valuable when the repair technician wants to determine if the code was set when the engine is cold, hot, under a full load, or just cruising at highway speeds.

OBDII Monitor status
When OBDII was introduced there were a number of new tests that the computer ran in order to make sure that the exhaust output was within tolerances and to make sure that the engine was running efficiently. These tests include evaporative emissions, heated o2 sensor, catalyst monitor, EGR system, and a few others. Using the OBDII monitor screen will allow the technician the opportunity to see if the computer has been reset recently (this would be indicated by most tests still being incomplete)

Live Data
Live Data will bring up quite a bit more information. This screen shows: Engine RPM, TPS,
Engine Load In percent, vehicle speed, engine coolant temperature, Bank 1 and 2 fuel state
(open or closed loop), Battery Voltage, MIL on command state, Number of DTC's set (0 if none).
On some vehicles In the upper half of this screen the user is able to monitor 5 readings in a digital
display mode. The sensor/parameter is displayed on the left while the reading is on the right. Of the five displays, the one that is high-lighted is displayed on a line graph below and is mapped in a near real time manor. From this screen you can start the datalogging side of things by checking items you wish to monitor. You do this by high-lighting the little check box to the left of the component needing to be logged. For the purpose of recording read-outs you can chose up to ten perameters. After chosing the ten you want to monitor, click on the check box on the lower left side next to the camera. This will bring up screen similar to screen 5 which will diplay two readings at one time such as TPS and o2 reading. Go Wide Open Throttle and you will see the o2 sensor switch from the up and down reading to holding steady at a voltage normally above 0.85 volts or more. You can then press the "hold" button and move a cursor throughout the graph and see where your readings peaked and see what the other component was doing at the same point in time. In addition to showing this on a graph, you can change this screen to a digital numerical display for instant readings. Click on the round button on the left underside of the chosen reading and it will turn in to display. This is useful when tuning based off of o2 sensor readings when you don't have any gauges on the a-pillar pod and want an actual numerical display instead of guessing at how rich or lean the car is running based on blinky lights.

If you wish to record these displays for play-back after you have shut the car off then in the upper right hand corner between "Graph compare" and the camera there will be an option called "Record" (not shown in picture). This will record the ten options you chose and allows for dumping the information on to a lap top at a later time. This logging I have yet to max out logging for at least a twenty minute ride home from work. Once you start recording, at any point in the process you can press the hold button and monitor sensor readings half-way through by touching the screen on the area you wish to know the reading for. Press the hold button again and you can start recording again. At the end of your logging, press Exit and it will ask you to name the log you just recorded. After exiting the car you can hot-sync with you computer and dump all the logs and screenshots on to your computer and begin analyzing them.

Once you've saved and exited the datalogging screen for the car you dump your PDA files on to your pc. This can be done via serial cable, USB cradle or IR if compatible. The files are replayed through a program called "WinReplay". The display is pretty easy to read. On the left the program displays the parameter you were monitoring, under it is the reading at cursor one and under that is the reading for a second cursor or point in time. You can have up to four parameters and moving the cursor for in one graph will move it in the other. In otherwords, at the peak of your WOT pull you can see exactly where you o2 levels were a split second before you let off the throttle while seeing the engine RPM at the same time.

Lab Scope
Something unique about the OTC/SPX Palm Scan EP system is that you can buy an optional package that is used as a lab scope. Basically, a lab scope is like a multimeter that can graph/datalog a signal as well as display it in an instant reading like a meter. The labscope can be used to log 1 or 2 signals at the same time. It can graph on a range of -1 volts to 50 volts. The sample rate can be anywhere from 0.5 milliseconds all the way up to 5000 ms. You can breifly record the sample and press hold just like when datalogging. Then you can move a cursor around the screen and see where you highest and lowest voltage readings were at.

A Lab Scope comes in very handy when you are tracy down shorted wires, irratic sensor signals, and need to verify proper ECU voltages. If you've got a wire that is supposed to have 5 volts on it constantly but have a wire that is chaffed and shorting out intermittantly, hook up your lab scope and start wiggling wires around. When your voltage drops off, you know you're in the right area. The scope can also be used for checking sensor signals such as camshaft and crankshaft position sensors, Throttle Position Sensor, Engine Coolant Temperature sensor and Injector Pulsewidth. Tap in to your wire and ground the scope and watch the pattern. A coolant temperature sensor that shows a constant 5 volts could be unplugged or the sensor is internally shorted. A Cam and Crank sensor pattern looks like the top of a castle wall. The peaks are a straight line normally at 5 or 8 volts. They drop straight to zero and hold. Each increase and decrease in voltage is displayed in a 90 degree turn (square wave) and should not have slopes or curves.

The Scope package has preset settings that will make it easier to check signal patterns. You can tell the palm that you are looking at an Injector signal, Cam sensor, 12 volt square wave sensor, o2 sensor, or any other sensor on the car and the palm will change the range and sample rate to accurately display a signal pattern that is easy to read and understand. This thing is basically a multi-meter on steriods that displays exactly the same as a $200 meter but also logs the signal for playback after leaving the car.

Pricing
Now pricing for this little jewel is going to be a bit more than the DSMLink or PocketLogger. BUT what you've really got to remember is that this particular palm system is good for more than just the DSM's. Use it on your mom's minivan, your Dad's Audi, and your siblings Honda (Don't worry, we won't tell anyone).

Palm EP Scan From OTC:
Palm $30-$200
EP Scan software, Cartridge with cable, software for PC $350
EP Lab Scope Cartridge: $300 (Optional)
Total Cost $400-$650 (Add $300 for optional Lab Scope)
Good: Works on ANY OBDII car, Palm software follows the EP Scan Cartidge, not the Palm, Lab Scope capabilities from the same PDA
Bad: Costs more than PocketLogger, no true "Tuning" capabilities

Pocket Logger costs:
Palm $30-$200
Software and Cable $125
Total Cost: $155-325
Good: Works great on your Turbo DSM
Bad: Software follows palm, Minimal to no "Tuning capabilities

DSMLink:
Laptop $300+
Full Package and software: $615.00+ with a few options for socket service and v1 upgrade
Total Cost: $900+
Good: Works great for your Turbo DSM, Good/high level of tunability
Bad: Need a laptop minimum, Only works on your turbo DSM, Costs more than either PDA based software.
 

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I kinda paid too much when I got mine.
New PDA from the tool guy= $300
Original Palm Scan kit= $300
Original Palm Scope Kit= $300
Chrysler Adapter w/enhanced package upgrade = $140.00
Information card =$-0- FREEBIE (about $250-300 value)

Plus I've got a bunch of extra things like wire peircing clamps as well as stick pins that plug on to the end of the scope lead wires as well to back probe electrical connectors.

It really added up for me because I bought the kit back when it came out only for it to not do what I wanted (back then). But you can avoid most of that and get a palm from Ebay and then the Enhanced Palm Scan kit (which will do everything I mentioned in the article) for about $350.00 or so and be ready to go logging. Not that bad of a price considering it works on EVERYTHING OBDII.
Doug
 
Doug99RS said:
But you can avoid most of that and get a palm from Ebay and then the Enhanced Palm Scan kit (which will do everything I mentioned in the article) for about $350.00 or so and be ready to go logging. Not that bad of a price considering it works on EVERYTHING OBDII.
Doug

yah, my palm wouldent work with it so, i bought an new one that would last night off e bay, 44 bucks :thumb: pluse it comes with alot of accessories... kinda pisses me off though, i really should have done my home work before i bought my tungsten e, could have saved me alot of money, i bought it brand new from radio shack :mad: but i wanted one so bad LOL :rolleyes:
 
Bohrn said:
sounds like a neat idea, but it has one big limiting factor. It only works for OBD2 cars.

That leaves out all the 1g guys.

i beleave you can buy adapters for any other car :thumb:
 
This one is, unfortunately, OBDII ONLY and does not help out the OBDI folks. However, a big plus side is that it not only does DSM's but nearly every car manufacturer out there thus putting DSMLink in the limited category.
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Judging by the info given. The palm scan looks like a normal obd2 scanner.

First of all I think some info may be incorrect though. There is no way that I know of to get a .5ms sample through the obd port. The fastest possible is 10-12 samples per sec. I will have to verify that, but I am sure it is fairly accurate. 50ms would be believeable, but not 5ms.

Given the cost of this unit you should check out digimoto's setup. http://www.digimoto.com/

I have this scanner, and it has come in very handy for diagnosing issues on my other cars(it is useless on my 1g :rolleyes: ). The digimoto software is intended for pc, but there are others that make software for the palm and pocketpc. I have used the pc version, and a free palm version. I don't have the cable to connect my pocketpc to it. The modules used by digimoto can even be built if you want. The instructions and parts are public if you want to try.

I have not researched dsmlink yet, since I am new to dsm's. For the price it probably has a direct connection to the ecu and should have much higher sampling rates than the obd2 port. The wrx's datalogger basically offers the same advantage over an ordinary obd2 scanner.
 
Doug99RS said:
This one is, unfortunately, OBDII ONLY and does not help out the OBDI folks. However, a big plus side is that it not only does DSM's but nearly every car manufacturer out there thus putting DSMLink and PocketLogger in the Limited category.
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Not passing judgement on Palm Scan EP, but there is an OBDII version of PocketLOGGER which is not restricted to DSMs.
 
vteg said:
Judging by the info given. The palm scan looks like a normal obd2 scanner.

First of all I think some info may be incorrect though. There is no way that I know of to get a .5ms sample through the obd port. The fastest possible is 10-12 samples per sec. I will have to verify that, but I am sure it is fairly accurate. 50ms would be believeable, but not 5ms.

Given the cost of this unit you should check out digimoto's setup. http://www.digimoto.com/

I have this scanner, and it has come in very handy for diagnosing issues on my other cars(it is useless on my 1g :rolleyes: ). The digimoto software is intended for pc, but there are others that make software for the palm and pocketpc. I have used the pc version, and a free palm version. I don't have the cable to connect my pocketpc to it. The modules used by digimoto can even be built if you want. The instructions and parts are public if you want to try.

I have not researched dsmlink yet, since I am new to dsm's. For the price it probably has a direct connection to the ecu and should have much higher sampling rates than the obd2 port. The wrx's datalogger basically offers the same advantage over an ordinary obd2 scanner.
Thanks for the interest but you misread the post:
Lab Scope
Something unique about the OTC/SPX Palm Scan EP system is that you can buy an optional package that is used as a lab scope. Basically, a lab scope is like a multimeter that can graph/datalog a signal as well as display it in an instant reading like a meter. The labscope can be used to log 1 or 2 signals at the same time. It can graph on a range of -1 volts to 50 volts. The sample rate can be anywhere from 0.5 milliseconds all the way up to 5000 ms. You can breifly record the sample and press hold just like when datalogging. Then you can move a cursor around the screen and see where you highest and lowest voltage readings were at.



The 0.5 Ms Sample rate was specifically mentioned for use with the lab scope package and not the OBDII scan package.

Also, the software you linked to, from a brief scan of the page, requires an entire computer for retrieval of codes and diagnostics. The idea behind the PDA based scan tool is that it will fit... well, in your palm and most of the time the PDA is considerably cheaper than a lap top or PC.

By normal what exactly do you mean? Normal as you can find it at your average parts store? I didn't see any last time I went to Advance or Napa that could do more than just give you a P code. This PDA set-up as well as pocketlogger do more than just give codes. The article above I thought was sufficient enough to explain that is does more than make the CEL flash at you or JUST give you fault codes.

I'm glad you posted that link to the other programs. The idea of my thread was to bring a few more options to the table for those wishing to get more involved with their vehicles through scan tool usage. If you know of any other options out there by all means bring them up in here and it can be discussed.

GoGVR4:
If you can dig me up a link we can leave it in this thread and I will correct/modify my post so that I do not mislead anyone on the information. Thanks for pointing that out.
Doug
 
I seemed to have misread the portion about labscope.

The point I was getting at in my post is that the components that I posted are open-source. The software on that page is pc only, but there is a Palm version available, for free, that I have used. There is a forum that deals with those modules.

Does labscope work on 1g dsm's?
 
vteg said:
Does labscope work on 1g dsm's?

The labscope is not vehicle specificic. It's basically a multi-meter. As with any multi-meter, this can work on whatever you hook it up to so long as it is within the electrical capabilities of the meter. I.E. don't plug it in to a wall socket but it will work on any system that is 50 volts or less when used properly.
D
 
Quick question.. but.. it just looks like its a glorified logger. It does give a lot of data. Does it tune at all though? Does is have like a stutter box feature? What does it have that DSMlink does not besides being compatable with other vehicles?
 
David15151 said:
Quick question.. but.. it just looks like its a glorified logger. It does give a lot of data. Does it tune at all though? Does is have like a stutter box feature? What does it have that DSMlink does not besides being compatable with other vehicles?
Pricing
Now pricing for this little jewel is going to be a bit more than the DSMLink or PocketLogger. BUT what you've really got to remember is that this particular palm system is good for more than just the DSM's. Use it on your mom's minivan, your Dad's Audi, and your siblings Honda (Don't worry, we won't tell anyone).

Palm EP Scan From OTC:
Palm $30-$200
EP Scan software, Cartridge with cable, software for PC $350
EP Lab Scope Cartridge: $300 (Optional)
Total Cost $400-$650 (Add $300 for optional Lab Scope)
Good: Works on ANY OBDII car, Palm software follows the EP Scan Cartidge, not the Palm, Lab Scope capabilities from the same PDA
Bad: Costs more than PocketLogger, no true "Tuning" capabilities
 
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