4G63,RB26 or 2JZ?

[Nors]

The vfaq says an awd weight 4000 lbs? Do you have a link to that?

Crap I lose again.

http://members.shaw.ca/costall/1000Q/Frameless/answers-specifications.htm#curbweight


Gross weight must be 3991, cause I know I saw that number somewhere. Could of sworn it was the 1000questions but its looking like I saw it in my door jamb (doh!)

I guess I deserve a big

 

[dsm-onster]

No biggie to me . In fact, it takes maturity to take the time to post that he/she made a mistake.

RX7s weigh in at 2645 lbs. . . From what I know. My brother's KA24 (w/ turbo another example of work w/ what you have!) powered 240sx weighs in at 2900 or so lbs.

 

[turbo addict]

I am not thinking about this "to be cool." I love the 1G DSM, thats why I wont just go buy a supra and be done with it. And the swap with a single turbo conversion, custom fmic, custom 4" exhaust, forged internals and street ported head will only cost $16K, and thats just the beginning. The 2JZ has way more potential then the 4G63, why is everyone hating so much!? Is it because you know I'm right and you just want to portray me as some stupid ricer who is looking for the "cool bov noise like Paul Walker has?" And for those of you who dont believe, why dont you go do some research on Ryan Woon who rips off 8.88 E.Ts in his street driven supra, smokes Turbo Hayabusas on the freeway, and pulls over 1400RWHP on the dyno before you open your mouths. Show me a 4G63 that can do all of that and I will take back everything I said. Just remember that I'm not trying to be an asshole. Like I said, I love the 1G DSM, it was my first car and for some reason I can't stop buying them(even though I could buy a supra or skyline if I wanted.) I just need to find a way to go faster!

I don't know who is building you 2jz but I have 4 or 5 friends that have them, one ownes a car dealership and this year has spent over $45,000 on mods (well over $100,000 in the car total), built motor single turbo aem, and what not, And this car had a ton already done to it. And he didn't swap anything the motor was already in the car. Supra owners are different that most dsm owners, they spend a ton of money on their cars and bi*** about it, (half of them brag). Do they break, YES. But they just pay to get them fixed, and are back on the road.

Along with all of the other problems you would have in price and fitment, you are changing the weight and entire dynamics of the car, (will handle like crap, and that is a great quality to have in a 700-1400whp car)

I also have a friend that is swaping a 2jz in a late 1990s BMW 328, and is doing all the work himself and is still putting a ton of money in the car, is on the second year of the build and is less than half done.

I think the 4g63 either 2.0 or 2.3-2.4 is a great platform, it is possible to make more power than you can handle. With the sort of money you are talking about if you really want to have a 1g call magnus or buschur and have them build 3 or 4 motors exactly the same and when you blow one up just swap in another one and you will be set!

 

[turbo addict]

I don't have a one track mindset and I'd love to help you out. The 2jz and Rb26 are to amazing motor's, but big but If you were going to spend this kind of money it'd be cheaper to swap the rb into a 240sx or Just buy a Supra. Also if 2.0's are so shitty how come some Supra's run with a 3sgte a 2.0 turbo motor from the mr2??? One more thing please show me a link of a Supra or Skyline making 800 whp + on stock internals I'd love to see that. To run that much boost they would still need at least pistons and I seriously doubt the rods will hold up. One last thing if 4g63's arent worth keeping how come shep. is running 7's in his Talon???? Like everyone else said don't waste 50k on a 3k car. This thread is pointless because you'll never get it done.

I saw a thread like this on a Rx-8 forum bout putting a 2jz into his 8, but in his thread he actually had pictures of the work and did get the motor in. People were giving him hell because they all preferred the 20b (3 rotor) swap if you are going to swap the motor at all, but once it was all said and done with it was pretty nice. Anyway I'd love to see this done, but I seriously doubt you ever will

Skylines no, Supras yes, there are many that are over 700-1000whp, and the 2jz pistons are VERY strong. I know of a few supra owners that keep the stock pistons and get aftermarket rods.
http://www.to4r.com/toptenhp.php

 

[pneumo]

Check out www.ProjectZeroG.com
It's a website/forum devoted to swapping the 4G63/4G64 into other cars. This should give you an idea of what it takes to do a complete swap. It's a lot of work.

I wonder if you put that much work into modding your DSM from where it is now (500hp, 11.4 second quarter mile), how close you'd be to reaching your goal of having a wide powerband for good street manners and crazy top end in a nice car that's a pleasure to drive. I know you want to keep it streetable and avoid hacking it into a racecar, but have you considered dropping some weight off the car? It'll improve overall performance and if done right, won't compromise comfort.

 

[Maglin]

Well once you start to get over 500 HP you really start to loose bottom end power in favor of top end power. The 2.0 just doesn't have the displacement to spin large turbo's in the lower range. I can agree with the OP on this to an extent. And I'm talking about his power goals for the street. But like others have said you are going to be using a bad platform once you remove the AWD.

Now you can get a blown up FD3S RX-7 from $2-5K these days. Those cars are crazy light and have one kick ass suspension. I've built one 450HP FD for a friend. Car weighed in right at 2600 lbs. last time it was on the scales. Might have been 2601. Anyways the FD has a far superior interior. The dash and console are amazing for a early 90's car. The stock leather seats are pretty much racing seats and very very comfortable to sit in. I would love to see a 2JZ in one. Seem plenty of LS-1's now which is very sweet considering you are only adding around 40-60 lbs over the 13B.

Personally I wonder why one would want over 500 HP in a DD. At that stage in the game you really need to decided on weather you want a full drag car or not. You can still drive a drag car occasionally but they are boggy off the line and just not fun to drive on the street. That is assuming you are driving normally and not launching from every stop light. And in the power range the clutch is usually more of a on/off switch than anything. You can hack up the 1g you can get it down to around 2800 lbs w/ chrome molly roll cage. You would have one great race car.

It's just one of those things people wouldn't mind seeing but their is no real reason for it. Like the LS-1 powered EVO. Unless it has the AWD it's still a cheap-o car with crappy interior. You are taking what makes the platform great and just doing a RWD conversion on a econo car. But if you are stuck on the 1G and want to do the swap I say do it. It will make you happy and of course you have to post up build pics and frustrations. Good luck either way you go.

 

[XakEp]

Just do a RWD conversion and leave the 4g63 in it. Cheaper and still different than the other options you posted.

 

[Afroclipse]

DAMN you DSM guys area bunch of meanies, the man thought up an idea and wanted to see what you thought. There is nothing wrong with doing RB or 2jz swap, personally i would like to see it, seriously if i rolled up in your town with a RB in my 2g eclipse you'll all be like "damn thats tight" because its something different. I appreciate the 4g63t loyalty i really do but come on we have seen everything it has to offer, you have people on here who can start the engine with a AAA battery because they are that good and know it so well, whats wrong with a bit of change. I know our engines are baddass but you don't have to ride its ball hairs like that, like someone said RB and 2jz engines are superior to the 4g63, whats wrong with going bigger and better huh, its people like you who crucified Jesus for having a different point of view.

OK YOUNG MEN, GO SIT IN A CORNER AND THINK ABOUT WHAT I SAID

 

[94Jettameowpsst]

Brent Rau in his 2G RWD Eclipse with 4G63 Magnus engine in it which is around 1400WHP. Faster than a Supra

I would still say 4G63, if you like your DSM, as much as you say you do. Also about the V6 under the hood, well too much weight in the front, understeer.

Brents car made 1037whp.


Anyways, i say if you got the money to do it then just do it and post pics when your done >.< All i have to say from experience (watching an rb26 being swapped into a 240) is get a painless wiring harness...it'll save your life.

Exactly what type of transmission setup are you going to use too? By the time you have the motor in the car your shift linkage is going to be running into your back seat and the DS is gonna be 2 inches long.

 

[2gAWDTalon]

Supra owners are different that most dsm owners, they spend a ton of money on their cars and bi*** about it, (half of them brag). Do they break, YES. But they just pay to get them fixed, and are back on the road.

That sounds just like DSMers, what are you talking about differant

 

[rhamlinii]

I am not thinking about this "to be cool." I love the 1G DSM, thats why I wont just go buy a supra and be done with it. And the swap with a single turbo conversion, custom fmic, custom 4" exhaust, forged internals and street ported head will only cost $16K, and thats just the beginning. The 2JZ has way more potential then the 4G63, why is everyone hating so much!? Is it because you know I'm right and you just want to portray me as some stupid ricer who is looking for the "cool bov noise like Paul Walker has?" And for those of you who dont believe, why dont you go do some research on Ryan Woon who rips off 8.88 E.Ts in his street driven supra, smokes Turbo Hayabusas on the freeway, and pulls over 1400RWHP on the dyno before you open your mouths. Show me a 4G63 that can do all of that and I will take back everything I said. Just remember that I'm not trying to be an asshole. Like I said, I love the 1G DSM, it was my first car and for some reason I can't stop buying them(even though I could buy a supra or skyline if I wanted.) I just need to find a way to go faster!

Don't waste your time with the 1g dsm. Go ahead and get a starion, that is the perfect RWD chassis to start out with.

 

[staticbrainwash]

For what he wants to do to a dsm, i agree. That will probably be my next car too.

 

[dsm-onster]

DAMN you DSM guys area bunch of meanies, the man thought up an idea and wanted to see what you thought. There is nothing wrong with doing RB or 2jz swap, personally i would like to see it, seriously if i rolled up in your town with a RB in my 2g eclipse you'll all be like "damn thats tight" because its something different.

No I would not!

I'd laugh.

I appreciate the 4g63t loyalty i really do but come on we have seen everything it has to offer, you have people on here who can start the engine with a AAA battery because they are that good and know it so well, whats wrong with a bit of change. I know our engines are baddass but you don't have to ride its ball hairs like that, like someone said RB and 2jz engines are superior to the 4g63, whats wrong with going bigger and better huh, its people like you who crucified Jesus for having a different point of view.

OK YOUNG MEN, GO SIT IN A CORNER AND THINK ABOUT WHAT I SAID

Supra guys have seen everything the 2jz has to offer too. The rb26 guys have too. the ls1 guys have. Everyone has seen everything. "There is nothing new under the sun. . . Everything is vanity."So says Wise King Solomon who was bestowed his wisdom from God's Holy Spirit according to bible canon.

Why we're now shifting to biblical account to create an automobile analogy, I don't know. Religious preference is a profoundly personal conviction and once One alters or fulfills such beliefs, controversy will stir. This has nothing to do w/ a logical upgrade path to better particular aspects of a piece of machinery. My religious beliefs are not mechanical. Nor is any other.

I think you should take your own advice.

BTW, why is this thread still open?

 

[arash15]

BTW, why is this thread still open?

my thoughts exactly, i mean 3 pages of bs. This site shouldnt get cluttered up by stupd numbie dreams that will never reach a realistic conclusion. CLOSE ME, is what this thread told me while i was at work, then i saw it was open then....

 

[NewTurboTuner]

Okay, this whole thing has gotten way out of hand. It was just an idea. If you read the thread title it says "4g63, RB26, or 2JZ," it didnt say "#### the 4g63 im going to swap a 2jz." I was just seeing how the community would react as a whole. I love the 4g63, and contrary to most people's opinion I am no stupid ricer. I have built and tuned my 1g GSX to over 500AWHP and it is my daily driver. Like I just got done telling another memeber, I have owned nothing but 1Gs ever since I was 15, they are my favorite cars and what I love most about them is the sense of community that comes along with them. I just had a wild idea and thought I would share it with the DSM community, I knew I would take some flak for it but I didnt know it would get this bad.

How old are you now? 16?

 

[Maglin]

How old are you now? 16?

PWNed

 

[dsm-onster]

At least this thread is giving us a great laugh.

 

[Afroclipse]

Dsm-onster, I have to say all that DEEP stuff you said pretty much accounted to nothing. If you pay attention to what i said you would realize that it has nothing to do with personal belief i just used Jesus because we all know him and what happened to him. As for your point on laughing at me for having a RB in under my hood(it won't ever happen) you are full of crap, you and everybody will be shocked and amazed, you would be amazed if i fit a viper engine in there because its bad ass and nets me more horses. now if i threw a daewoo engine in there then you can at laugh at me or if i throw a ford escorts engine in there then be real man. For my other point i know everybody has respect and knowledge of there respected engines RB.2Jz and 4g63 what i was implying is rb or 2jz is something new for us, please calm yourself down and stop trying to be a hero .

Defiant please close this thread the point is taken and its beginning to get ridiculously stupid.

 

[1fast97gsx]

Swap in an ls1 and make it rwd. Or better yet, buy an ls1....

 

[dsm-onster]

How rediculous is it to proceed to tell someone what they will feel or do way across the internet. What a joke. . .

As for your point on laughing at me for having a RB in under my hood(it won't ever happen) you are full of crap, you and everybody will be shocked and amazed, you would be amazed if i fit a viper engine in there because its bad ass and nets me more horses.

. . .Reiterating,

No I would not!

I'd laugh.

Considering you're previous posts & personal jabs at me, I would not be surprised if you *attempted* such rediculous swaps and putting you on my ignore list would be much more worth my effort than a response.

 

[Afroclipse]

How rediculous is it to proceed to tell someone what they will feel or do way across the internet. What a joke. . .



Considering you're previous posts, I would not be surprised if you did such rediculous swaps and putting you on my ignore list would be much more worth my effort than a response.

NO please don't put me on your ignore list no nooooooooo i promise i'll be good please please oh no aaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhh i'm sorry ahhhahah please please forgive my trespassess

 

[GloriousDSM]

I say try it, I've never heard of it being done, just do endless nights of research and you should be golden.

 

[me612]

See you at the shootout.

Do you think you'll be competing at the shootout with one of those motors under your hood?

 

[talonalex92]

I dont think any of us have a right to 'brag' about our cars, on this forum. Its not like anyone on here aside from Shep/Rau have anything we havent seen before. No setup anyone has that is 4g based should be a surprise. Its safe to say IMO that everything that can be done to this motor [realistically] has already been done.

 

[talonalex92]

Woops! I didnt realize this thread has a 3rd page. I thought I was responding to the second. My bad haha.