4g63 or 420a into a 3g?

[Eclipsing]

Has anyone, or does anyone know if anyone had Dsm'ed their 3gen, and put the 4g63 or 420a into it? Is it possible?

 

[GPTourer]

Step 1: Get a GS or RS Eclipse (stock with 4g64)

Step 2: Buy a Evo IV-VIII engine.

Step 3: Bolt said engine into said car using stock tranny.

Voila instant 3GS-T.

 

[Eclipsing]

So let me see if I understand this

1. The 2000-2004 Eclipse Rs and Gs engine, is the 4g64.
2. The Evo IV-VIII engine will bolt directly into the 2000-2004 Rs or Gs.
3. And, you can use the stock trans, from the 2000-2004 4g64.

eh? Right? eh?

 

[nutshot]

Is there a benefit of a "3g" Eclipse over DSM's? Seems like a lot of work, putting a powerful motor in a larger and heavier car with less traction...

 

[Eclipsing]

Im not sure. I was just curious if anyone had done it. They need to inject the 3g's with a little Dsm action

 

[GPTourer]

So let me see if I understand this

1. The 2000-2004 Eclipse Rs and Gs engine, is the 4g64.
2. The Evo IV-VIII engine will bolt directly into the 2000-2004 Rs or Gs.
3. And, you can use the stock trans, from the 2000-2004 4g64.

eh? Right? eh?

Yes. Theoretically it could be done in any current Mitsubishi with a 4g motor:

Galant, Outlander, Lancer.

If you wanted AWD, an Outlander AWD might be a nice street sleeper, just for the sake of being different. Next year they will have a 5sp available. Don't know if its for both 2wd and AWD models yet, though.

 

[Eclipsing]

Wouldn't that be sweet. No one would see it coming. In most of the new models that would kick major ass.

 

[gsxitement]

ripp modifications makes a supercharger for the 3g's, along with stratus's, galant four cylinders, camry four cylinders and tiburons......don't know if thats exactly what you were thinking.....

 

[BumpinTitaniums]

why waste money swapping a motor into a 3G? it's a big, really ugly car that is a horrible follow-up to some of the nicest cars to hit the road. It comes with a large motor anyways (V6, I thought). Why replace a big V6 with a 2.0 liter 4 banger? A car that big and heavy needs the broader torque curve of the six to get anywhere. Put in a 4 banger and you will go nowhere , fast. Not worth the effort.

 

[Eclipsing]

I've noticed a lot of Dsm'ers hate the 3g's and it seems to be mainly because they don't have a Dsm engine in them. But I think the 3g's are totally bad ass awesome cars, they drive almost just the same as ours and have many simalarities and I wouldn't hesitate to own one.

I think putting a 2g, or 1g motor in it would still give it some sweet acceleration, and you could easily make it faster than hell.

 

[GPTourer]

Why replace a big V6 with a 2.0 liter 4 banger? A car that big and heavy needs the broader torque curve of the six to get anywhere. Put in a 4 banger and you will go nowhere , fast. Not worth the effort.

You have got to be kidding. The 4G63T has way more potential then any of the 3G engines. And the idea was to bolt the Evo motor into a 4cyl 3G. Thats and instant increase from 147 ---> ~276. ~$3000 for ~130hp and incredible potential. Well worth it. Don't try it in a GT(S) because the 6cyl tranny won't bolt up.

And WTF is with this "big heavy" stuff. A 2001 GS weighs 2910.
A 1999 GS-T weighs 2970. Do the math.

Asthetics aside, if someone with a new body Eclipse and an Evo motor wants something "different" I think the swap has some merits. Some people, dare I say it, think 3G's look good. And since everybody thinks they're slow, wouldn't it be a nice suprise to have a Evo powered one.

 

[drk mrk iv]

Not really. I used to own a 3g. The 6g72 is a very good motor and can handle a lot. There are some Twinturbo kits coming out (or already out) that are producing around 500hp. I would just do something like that.

 

[GPTourer]

I'd like to see a link to a twin turbo kit for a V6 Eclipse producing 500hp. You have to think that a twin turbo kit, and a built 6G72 are going to cost more then getting an Evo motor. And even if its close the point is, if you already own a RS or GS to do the swap, not go out and buy a GT and have it twin turbo'd. The two have different upgrade paths and there are defintiely more options for the stock V6 then there are four the stock I4 which makes the swap that much more attractive.

 

[Eclipsing]

Acctuall the 3g Gt(S) with the V6 weighs about 3300lbs and the Rs and Gs with the I4 weights about 3000lbs so that is a pretty dramatic difference. But still, with a 4g63 in that and that would still fly.

 

[Eclipsing]

What about the 4g63 into an Avenger or a Sebring. Any one know any one whose done it?

 

[BlueMoonEclipse]

^^^^^ just go post that question at the ASOG boards...thats like saying im going to pop a 4g into my 2gNT car (look it up....Vengers are 2gnt Eclipses with a different body with a 420A, 6 cyl have a 6g mitsu and only auto trans)

 

[draxus83]

wow you guys need to calm down why are you getting heated over a simple question???? my gurl drives a 3g and i belive her dad just slaped the 18g on it i havent really had time to look at it or talk to her dad in the last few days but we went out to eat on sunday night and that 15 pis in the v6 pull harder then my tsi at 19 psi !!! i know this has nothing to do with motor swap but if i had a 3g i would turbo the shit out of it as far as traction go's shes never had a problom with hookin up the weight hold the car down fairly well as long as you dont dump the cluch from 5k i cant wait till sat when we take her car to the track i will post the slips if i can find a scanner

 

[saw wave analog]

it seems pretty far fetched that he just "slapped" an 18g on it and is able to run 15psi.. that would require some hardcore modification and money. not saying that it isnt possible, just that i dont believe it without pics

 

[BGRIPTP]

^^^^^ just go post that question at the ASOG boards...thats like saying im going to pop a 4g into my 2gNT car (look it up....Vengers are 2gnt Eclipses with a different body with a 420A, 6 cyl have a 6g mitsu and only auto trans)

He asked if it has been done before, yes it has, thier is a member on here who made it AWD using GSX parts, and dropped the 4g63 into it.

Ben

 

[draxus83]

"slapped"

no no no her dads a drag fanatic .. theres a lot of time invested in this car it use to be his but his gave it to her i will get pics since you dont belive if all gos well and it dont rain this weekend i will try to get some at the track she lives about an hour from hear i would go out and take them now

 

[GPTourer]

Acctuall the 3g Gt(S) with the V6 weighs about 3300lbs and the Rs and Gs with the I4 weights about 3000lbs so that is a pretty dramatic difference. But still, with a 4g63 in that and that would still fly.

I disagree. I would consider a car not to be fat and heavy or a dramatic difference if it is within a 100 pounds of what I'm driving. I'm also only using the 5sp weight, which is indicative of what most people here are driving. You can go to Mitsus website and get 2004 specs, but again I'm not talking about GT's and GTS's. People with V6's aren't going to do the swap unless they get a new tranny too, and I doubt someone is going to do this with a brand new '04 (or even '03). So that's why I picked the '01 MY as it is right in the middle so to speak.

5sp '01 3G Eclipses weigh: RS - 2822 GS - 2910 GT - 3053
Even a Spyder GS - 3042 and GT - 3241 aren't that much heavier.

Again comparing that to 99MY turbos, 2970 GS-T, 3270 GSX, and 3053 Spyder GS-T.

So somebody with an extra 2-4 grand that is thinking about a turbo kit and owns a Eclipse RS/GS, Spyder GS, Galant DE/ES all stock with the 4G64, might consider importing a Evo IV-VII engine or spending more for a salvaged VIII engine. V6 owners have more work to do or more money to spend, but would probably just stick with the 6G72.

 

[gsxitement]

at a shop i used to work at we turbo'd the 6 cyl like 3 years ago, and we couldn't keep rods in the thing. we even added a filter relocator, and like 6 1/2 quarts of oil and we still kept blowing rod bearings.....everything we had in the car had to be custom made, including the pistons. the basic idea that we had was that the car was making to much heat and evaporating the oil, not burning, evaporating. in my opinion there are much better platforms to out there to modify, and with the money to buy the car and to modify it for serious power, you could buy something that was way more reliable. i guess the supercharger route would be the way i'd go. it makes 100 hp over stock, and is really linear, asthetically that car is horrid.....maybe if they hadn't given the fenders the "i just drove through a really tight alleyway" look and did the whole nose different i'd feel more positive about it. i just can't see trying to modify those cars TO heavily.....i deffinitly like my 2g GSX more. but to each his/her own.

 

[saw wave analog]

no no no her dads a drag fanatic .. theres a lot of time invested in this car it use to be his but his gave it to her i will get pics since you dont belive if all gos well and it dont rain this weekend i will try to get some at the track she lives about an hour from hear i would go out and take them now

cool, definately get pics i wasnt trying to be an ass or anything, just the way it was worded made it sound crazy hehe.. i am all about weird power and custom turbo setups, definately want to see it

 

[draxus83]

looks like it may rain but we'll see.. theres pics of my baby in the hang out

 

[Defiant]

And so went our trip to Wonderland. Gee, I missed home.