420a to 4g63....Is it worth it???

[S1L3NoZ]

I called to a shop today for the 4g63 swap on my N/T. It costs $4000 US for the engine, turbo, intercooler,etc.... The installation is include. What do you think about it??? Is it worth it???


Dave

 

[onepimpclipse]

A topic that has been beaten to death, is it worth it???

It will end up costing way more than that. So this leads me to believe the shop that quoted you has absolutley no clue what they are getting in to. For starters you'll need to fabricate all new motor mounts.

 

[S1L3NoZ]

I think you didn't get what i said.

It costs $4000 US for the engine, turbo, intercooler,etc.... The installation is include.

Etc means everything is include in the price. Custom mounts, etc.... And yes they know what they're getting into because I asked all the necessary questions to see if they knew what they were talkin' about. The only thing I wanna know, is it a good price for the swap???

A topic that has been beaten to death, is it worth it???

I know this topic has been beaten to death. But this topic isn't about the swap itself if you read carefully. It is a matter of knowing if the price is a good deal So don't go to your own conclusion that fast and you'll see the subject isn't the same here Don't worry I made a search for it and I got no answers.

 

[DevilSperm]

not worth it. period. i almost went this route with my 2g, im glad i didnt

 

[dustyb]

I think you didn't get what i said.
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It costs $4000 US for the engine, turbo, intercooler,etc.... The installation is include.

Etc means everything is include in the price. Custom mounts, etc.... And yes they know what they're getting into because I asked all the necessary questions to see if they knew what they were talkin' about. The only thing I wanna know, is it a good price for the swap???
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A topic that has been beaten to death, is it worth it???

I know this topic has been beaten to death. But this topic isn't about the swap itself if you read carefully. It is a matter of knowing if the price is a good deal So don't go to your own conclusion that fast and you'll see the subject isn't the same here Don't worry I made a search for it and I got no answers.

i'll answer your price question. NO its not a good deal because they're going to fk up your car and you'll just end up having to either put in a new front clip or just buy a new car. anyways a 420a turbo is faster than a gst, so don't waste the 4000 on the motor swap and use the money for something more useful.....like upgrading internals and making it just as fast as a gst. don't even bother with the swap because the mechanics don't know what they're getting themselves into, and you'll be the one getting buttf*cked.

EDITED

forgot to add, these guys probably don't know what the hell they're getting into because the 420a engine is flipped, ,so you not only have to replace motor mounts, but you have to remount the transmisison and replace everything. i've even been told (i don't know if its true or not) that you have to replace the dashboard and such. so if you wanna do it, its your money and i don't give a shit. just tryin to help you out get the most power outta your money.

 

[onepimpclipse]

I didn't jump to anything. I knew exactly what you were asking. Everything involved would go well beyond $4,000. That was my point in saying they did not know what they were getting in to. Next time listen to the answers we give you instead of being a smartass. That won't get you far on this board.

 

[turboed420A]

Put a turbo on your car and be faster than a GST....OR...Sell it and buy factory turbo car..

By the time you spend that 4 grand and do the swap you still have a (near)stock GST..

and yes this subject has been beaten to death...just like the 420A vs. 4G63

 

[10minutecar]

Are you sure your car has a 420A?

In Europe & everywhere else in the world, 2G RS/GSs came with the 4G63 (naturally aspirated), not the 420A. US is the only country that got the 420A in the 2G cars.

If it already has a 4g63 n/t, then swapping it out for a 4g63T would not be hard.

 

[dustyb]

canadia is just another US state, heh i wonder tho if canadian cars have the 420a or 4g63. i'd imagine its the 420a since its North America and the United States gives canadia everything else. and yes its canadia, not canada =D

 

[ECLIPSE95]

Put a turbo on your car and be faster than a GST....OR...Sell it and buy factory turbo car..

By the time you spend that 4 grand and do the swap you still have a (near)stock GST..

and yes this subject has been beaten to death...just like the 420A vs. 4G63

well said..I am going to be working on my 420a this winter building a custom turbo kit and working on building up my engine internals to make this 420a alot faster than a stock turbo DSM...hoping to break 300 if I am lucky

 

[dustyb]

well said..I am going to be working on my 420a this winter building a custom turbo kit and working on building up my engine internals to make this 420a alot faster than a stock turbo DSM...hoping to break 300 if I am lucky

off topic a bit?

anyways, just don't do it =D sink the 4000 into the 420a and be faster than a 4g63 gst

 

[ECLIPSE95]

off topic a bit?

anyways, just don't do it =D sink the 4000 into the 420a and be faster than a 4g63 gst

pretty much saying thats how much I will be putting into my eclipse, because its money better well spent..but ya definatly not worth it..to do a turbo engine swap

 

[Colossus]

What if you had a daily driver, a 420a GS, and a spare 4g63 with big16G laying around. You had spare motor mounts, sidemount, a mig welder, S-afc, 550cc injectors, and plenty of time to do it yourself.

Then do you think it is worth it? You've got to think that a turbo 420A is faster than a *stock* gst. First mod a *stock* gst does, he's faster than you. I had a totalled TSI I built the engine out of, swapped it into my GSX, and now my GSX motor is sitting around collectiong dust on a pallete. I was thinking of attempt to put it into the GS.

 

[dustyb]

Then do you think it is worth it? You've got to think that a turbo 420A is faster than a *stock* gst. First mod a *stock* gst does, he's faster than you. I had a totalled TSI I built the engine out of, swapped it into my GSX, and now my GSX motor is sitting around collectiong dust on a pallete. I was thinking of attempt to put it into the GS.

you have to do a lot to a GS to prepare it for a lot of boost, so even a mod to a "stock" gst can't catch up to a 420a. don't try to get 4g63 religious. 420a heads flow better, and with better pistons and rods the 420a block can hold just as much boost as a 4g63. but like they said earlier, this topic's been beaten to death, so back on subject.

if you have a FWD car its cheaper to just turbo the 420a like everyone has said earlier than to just keep the gs as the daily driver and make a track car (whats the fun if you can't take your car out to the streets?) spend a few thousand in parts and heads, maybe a turbo set of cams and test pipe and stuff and you'll be faster than a modded gst (how's that?)

 

[ECLIPSE95]

well said dustyb, anyway just anouther thing to say..it all comes down to what you think you want to do..if its worth it or not..do some research, like everyone says this topic has been beaten to death..so do alot of research and really look into the wiring mess you have to deal with..along with diffrent mounts for the engine and other difficulties you may run into and you decide if this is something you want to do...~Dustin

 

[Morphius]

It'd be cheaper and more closely a bolt in if you picked up a fresh A853 out of a PT turbo/SRT-4.

 

[S1L3NoZ]

I really appreciate that you guys gave me answers to my question.... Onepimpeclipse, I didn't mean to be smartass.... I'm sorry if I did I really asked the shop all the questions I was thinking of.... Wiring harness, engine mounts, chassis mods, tranny,etc and they told me everything would be done properly.... But what you guys are saying makes sense to me.... If I put the $4000 on my 420a, I'll be able to make something good.... $4000 was for the swap itself and I had like $7000 more to put on mods for the engine.... I'll just put my money together and build a good 420a with $11k.... I wanted to do this swap because I thought that 4g63 was THE solution to make some good power.... Thx to all of you guys.... Your help is pretty much appreciated

Dave

 

[dustyb]

your welcome. p.s. you can search this forum and find a lot of people who's mechanic said they could swap the engines, but at the end of it, they had to put a new front clip in..... better to be safe than have no car

 

[onepimpclipse]

Onepimpeclipse, I didn't mean to be smartass.... I'm sorry if I did

It's cool. Like I said this has been beaten to death in the past. I see your new, so I suppose we can let it slide once.

I really asked the shop all the questions I was thinking of.... Wiring harness, engine mounts, chassis mods, tranny,etc and they told me everything would be done properly.... But what you guys are saying makes sense to me....

That's how it begins for everyone. I was trying to save you a headache.

If I put the $4000 on my 420a, I'll be able to make something good.... $4000 was for the swap itself and I had like $7000 more to put on mods for the engine.... I'll just put my money together and build a good 420a with $11k....

With these kind of funds you could build one hell of a 420A. Don't forget an LSD, your traction will thank you later.

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[allan636]

If the evo engine had the transmition on the drivers side too, would that be any easier swap for a 420a. I haven't seen any other posts with information on that.

 

[onepimpclipse]

If the evo engine had the transmition on the drivers side too, would that be any easier swap for a 420a. I haven't seen any other posts with information on that.

Here we go again.


If this stuff was so easy it would be done all the time. That is why they make beefed up internals and turbo kits.


http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30289&highlight=evo+engine+swap+420a

 

[dustyb]

if you want easily swappable engines, go buy a honda...... and while you're at it, this thread was dead a few weeks ago

 

[onepimpclipse]

and while you're at it, this thread was dead a few weeks ago

Wait, you mean to tell me those dates in the corner of each post have significance? Nooooo, it can't be.

 

[CrazyClipse]

Wait, you mean to tell me those dates in the corner of each post have significance? Nooooo, it can't be.

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