420a to 4g63 engine swap, im doing it need help!

[j_stevens2000]

actually its only costing me 1,600 for the swap, im trading in my own engine. i sold my old transmissino for 300 plus i can sell off my other parts as well. i had to buy little things like exhaust manifold, motor mounts, polyurethane motor mount kit, axles.

little things u guys may not know:

the engine cradle from a gst bolts directly to a engine cradle from a non turbo 2nd gen eclipse! the transmission motor mount is then in the right place. the left side of the frame is the same too. it just doesnt have the motor mount on it.... this can be done by a skilled welder. now the left side is a different story it had to be cut down to fit the transmission under it, since it is on the other side of the car. it was then reinforced with steel to keep it from bending or anything, and trust me when i say its not going anywhere. so once these 3 mounts are moved, frame wise youre ready to go! just MAKE SURE they are in the same exact location as the turbo. the welder who did my job had a gst right next too him to make sure to get the mounts in the exact spot, and it was still a 2 day job to get it to line up correctly. it will be alot of custom fabrication..... then all thats left is the speedometer cluster....wiring....and other little things. and there gonna switch my back brakes to disc brakes too. i keep meaning to put up pics but i never have my camera with me..... lada

 

[j_stevens2000]

dont do engine conversion...............i have to have the whole front of my car clipped.........sell youre car and buy a turbo........the end

 

[Kirby]

What? what happend? Why are you giving up on the swap? So what are you doing with the car, getting a whole new GS front clip? What caused it not to work? I'm not trying to be sarcastic here I just want you to give all of the details so other people know not to try.

 

[kamakazy59]

i think he was just frickin around......

 

[j_stevens2000]

im having a gst front clip put on my car because the motor mounts would never work..........its still better than having that 420a piece of garbage chrysler engine you have in youre car. what are you running high 15's now that you have that turbo slapped on it kirby?? ill be running low 15 high 14s when i get my car back stock..... then a 16g, some bigger injectors, and a fuel pump, s-afc......about another 1500 bux and ill be running low 13s or maybe even better........its gonna cost me another 900 dollars to get this clip put on....so that makes 2500 dollars total.........i would pay that much any day just to get rid of the 420a.....are you not wanting anyone else to do it because you'd be pissed that there gonna have it done and youre not?

 

[LifeRollsOn]

stage 2 kit is faster than a stock gs-t and not trying to start an argument or anything bro but u can't say that it will be that quick "stock" because swapping a motor and doing all the custom shit you have to do is very far from being stock.

 

[Hobbes =^.^=]

No need to bash that guy. Hahnracecraft's Talon runs low 11s, and their Neon runs 10s. Both on the 420a.

When you put that clip on. Your going to be running stock GS-T times. which is mid 15s.

How are you getting this front clip put on for $900 when a normal swap cost around $1100? Are you going to cut your front half off and weld the clip on??

With the same amount of money you could go faster with a turbo kit, and without all this front clip nonsense. The 420a is so underestimated.

 

[j_stevens2000]

ya thats hahn racecrafts cars........i wonder how much they spent on that car........a 420a is not made to be turbocharged a 4g63 is... where do you get mid 15's are you driving an automatic......the eclipse is rated 14.9 in the quarter from the factory....a new eclipse with a good driver is an atleast 15 second flat........ill have a stage 2 clutch and the 14b turbo will be turned up.......plus i can UPGRADE THE CAR LATER... with simple bolt ons.....if i turbocharged a 420a that would be it....if i wanted to do more id have to completely build the engine.....i wasnt looking to do that. i want low 13's high 12's out of the car and i will be able to do that for just a couple more thousand.

 

[wicked93GS]

man, the 420a has more potential than my 4g63, the ONLY reason that the 420a vcant handle the boost is the rods and pistons, once you change those your set, you have a better flowing head, and generally a newer motor design, there are neons out there than run 9s on the stock head, 9 seconds isnt shabby for a FWD car, dont underestimate the 420a motors, properly built they have more potential than the 4g63s, stock of course the 4g63s have more potential, as for having to clip your car, what are you talking about? I wouldnt attempt the conversion from 420a to 4g63 myself, waste of money, but I could drop a small block v8 in my eclipse if I wanted, getting the motor mounts right may be hard, but its sure as hell not impossible, it seems to me that your just wasting your money and have been since you started the project, if your going to do something, follow through with it, dont change your mind half way through

 

[Kirby]

Originally posted by j_stevens2000
im having a gst front clip put on my car because the motor mounts would never work..........its still better than having that 420a piece of garbage chrysler engine you have in youre car. what are you running high 15's now that you have that turbo slapped on it kirby?? ill be running low 15 high 14s when i get my car back stock..... then a 16g, some bigger injectors, and a fuel pump, s-afc......about another 1500 bux and ill be running low 13s or maybe even better........its gonna cost me another 900 dollars to get this clip put on....so that makes 2500 dollars total.........i would pay that much any day just to get rid of the 420a.....are you not wanting anyone else to do it because you'd be pissed that there gonna have it done and youre not?

Ok jackass let's sit down and take math 101. Since you’re so quick to bash when I was just asking for info to help others, I figured I'd break out my own club. Purchase price for the front clip was $900 or more. Then you are paying $900 to have it installed as a clip. (Plus the labor that you are not telling anyone about for the failed swap attempt) So we are already at $1800. Then we add in your extra $1500, which you claim will make your car run 12's. That's at least $3,300. (I don't care what you say about this being wrong because I know your lying)
Now let's see what the 420a can do:
Star stage 2 turbo kit $2825.00 (if you bought it brand new) and I'm already faster than you in your inbred DSM. For less money.
Now let's look at my setup:
2.2L stroker $2,399, Star turbo kit $1800 = $4,199 for my setup. Your hacked up ghetto GST will never come close to being as fast as mine, because I still have a T3/T04 (E-trim ball bearing) turbo and a built bottom end that will hold more HP than yours. Then you would have to build your bottom end to keep up, and how much would that cost? Now if I had gone with a more normal setup:
Bottom end rebuild kit $1,099 and star stage 2 kit $1800 = $3998 Right around what your going to spend total by the time your done weather you admit it or not. Not to mention the fact that your car prolly won't even drive straight or run correctly ever again. Just admit it bi***, you screwed up and made the wrong decision, and if you could take it all back now you would. You were so head strong and confident about it working, and now you’re a little sore because you look stupid and everybody else was right. Now to answer your main questions, I already run low 14's with the star stage 2. (I doubt you will even be able to run the stock gst times with your hacked up can of crap) Secondly I don't want a damn 4g63, it's a great motor just not in my car. You can all do 4g63 swaps tomorrow, I don't care, I'll just line the 420a up next to them and beat them 1 by 1. If you have anything else to say we can continue this over pm's or e-mail. I don't want to embarrass you any further in the public eye.

 

[Bd1000Eclipse]

Originally posted by Kirby

Ok jackass let's sit down and take math 101. Since you’re so quick to bash when I was just asking for info to help others, I figured I'd break out my own club. Purchase price for the front clip was $900 or more. Then you are paying $900 to have it installed as a clip. (Plus the labor that you are not telling anyone about for the failed swap attempt) So we are already at $1800. Then we add in your extra $1500, which you claim will make your car run 12's. That's at least $3,300. (I don't care what you say about this being wrong because I know your lying)
Now let's see what the 420a can do:
Star stage 2 turbo kit $2825.00 (if you bought it brand new) and I'm already faster than you in your inbred DSM. For less money.
Now let's look at my setup:
2.2L stroker $2,399, Star turbo kit $1800 = $4,199 for my setup. Your hacked up ghetto GST will never come close to being as fast as mine, because I still have a T3/T04 (E-trim ball bearing) turbo and a built bottom end that will hold more HP than yours. Then you would have to build your bottom end to keep up, and how much would that cost? Now if I had gone with a more normal setup:
Bottom end rebuild kit $1,099 and star stage 2 kit $1800 = $3998 Right around what your going to spend total by the time your done weather you admit it or not. Not to mention the fact that your car prolly won't even drive straight or run correctly ever again. Just admit it bi***, you screwed up and made the wrong decision, and if you could take it all back now you would. You were so head strong and confident about it working, and now you’re a little sore because you look stupid and everybody else was right. Now to answer your main questions, I already run low 14's with the star stage 2. (I doubt you will even be able to run the stock gst times with your hacked up can of crap) Secondly I don't want a damn 4g63, it's a great motor just not in my car. You can all do 4g63 swaps tomorrow, I don't care, I'll just line the 420a up next to them and beat them 1 by 1. If you have anything else to say we can continue this over pm's or e-mail. I don't want to embarrass you any further in the public eye.

o snap!! now he didn't!!

 

[mavisky]

Originally posted by j_stevens2000
.......plus i can UPGRADE THE CAR LATER... with simple bolt ons.....if i turbocharged a 420a that would be it....if i wanted to do more id have to completely build the engine.....i wasnt looking to do that. i want low 13's high 12's out of the car and i will be able to do that for just a couple more thousand.

so instead of spending $1000 - $1500 to build the 420a you're going to go through all this hassle and i quote "be able to do that for a couple more thousand" on your massively complicated project.

look i'm a 4g63 nut to the end, but this just seems totally rediculous. for all the money you put into this thing it better run 13's the minute it fires up.

 

[j_stevens2000]

no actually moron the front clip was 300 dollars.....getting it put on is 600 dollars that makes 900....plus the engine transmission plus the labor of putting it in is 1300 dollars..........so that makes 2500 dollars!!.......or you can make up youre own numbers and place them in wherever you like.

 

[kamakazy59]

well the 420A that yur getting rid of ill buy for $100, seeing as you need the money for your smart decision... and i hope you realize that there are 4g63 boys backing us with the 420A we are not dumb. and im not saying you are...

 

[1TuffRS]

well regardless of what anyone else is telling you, if you are going to try to do the swap, your doing it the best way you can. With the front clip of a GST and swapping parts from one to the other. Good luck man

 

[Logic3]

I sent you an e-mail. I am in Lexington, KY as well. I wouldn't mind stopping by where you live and see your progress. Let me know man, I'm pretty free on the weekends so anytime is cool with me. Where are you getting your work done? Horsepowerhouse or StreetSports???? I don't think Shawn (owner of SS) would take on a project like this but who knows. You may have said in an earlier post. I just didn't read this whole thread cause its too long Oh well, let me know if you wanta meet up.

 

[j_stevens2000]

i emailed ya back logic3

 

[j_stevens2000]

well regardless of what anyone else is telling you, if you are going to try to do the swap, your doing it the best way you can. With the front clip of a GST and swapping parts from one to the other. Good luck man


thanks....actually ive come to realize its the ONLY way to swap a 4g63 in is to just turn it into a gst, framewise that is

 

[Jason_12_02]

if you get it running, it will have been quite an experience. it will also make a great story! all i can say is "If you have the money, time, and patiences, go for it!" it's not just about having a fast car; it also has something to do with just being able to say that it is possible and that you did it. If you fail just learn from it all and try something else. i'm a guy that loves to try the "impossable".

 

[shuwa29]

i too want to know the total cost and time in the end. shit, give me $3,000 and i can do anything too!!! all you really need in life is to know the right people and know what you're doing. hint the $3,000 i need. so for all those that will donating to my fund, please email me! thanks again.
later

 

[98RedGs]

no actually moron the front clip was 300 dollars.....getting it put on is 600 dollars that makes 900....plus the engine transmission plus the labor of putting it in is 1300 dollars..........so that makes 2500 dollars!!.......or you can make up youre own numbers and place them in wherever you like.

I never knew you could pick up a complete full front clip of a gst for 300bucks in good condition... Or even good enough condition to run none-the-less.....

 

[j_stevens2000]

if u run across a big enough moron you can......i bought the front clip for 300 at a junk yard, there was a light engine fire, the guy also gave me the entire engine and everything for free, the block was in good shape, and i was able to use the exhaust manifold

 

[eclipsedriver96]

hey man I've been reading these posts for awhile and listen they think your crazy man I'll tell you right now I'm worse. I am in the works for putting an EVO VIII Motor in my '96 GS. Now I'm not saying im doing it as of yet but I'm seriously considering either using this or a 96 GS-T because my car was being built for show so i would swap parts to keep mine sell the gs use the cash to buy an evo motor and then do the swap anyone who knows anything about it let me know if you just wanna give me hell i dont want to hear it HOLLA

 

[Eagle_Summit]

man, you 420a guys r cazy. Congrats when it gets done. Be sure to show us pics

 

[Defiant]

man, you 420a guys r cazy. Congrats when it gets done. Be sure to show us pics

The thread's a year-and-a-half old.

You might try PMing him.