400-450 WHP....Attainable with this setup?

[SaiyanPowered]

My engine is shot and I have decided to do a 6 bolt conversion with a fully built motor and a turbo system upgrade. My goal is 400-450 whp on a daily driver with limited track use. My goals may change after I have run this for awhile so I am keeping that in mind as I decide my setup. I have spoken with Darren from FFWD and we are working out the final details on the engine. But this is more or less what we are looking at:

2.3 Stroker Motor
Modified Stroker block (6 bolt crank platform)
Fully Cryoed block, crank, rods, and pistons
Custom Wiseco Pistons (9:1 ratio/.020 overbore)
Refurbbed crank to spec
Scat Rods
ARP main studs
Balance shaft removal kit installation
Line hone, torque plate boring, decking, and plateau honing of block
Balancing and blueprinting of rotating assembly
All new Clevite bearings
2g Head Reconditioning w/
DKS1 Cams (264/272) {changed to DKS2 Cams (272/272)}
{Crower Springs and Retainer set}
Adj. Cam Gears

Slowboy Exhaust Manifold w/ Wastegate flange & 38mm Tial Wastegate
3" Downpipe
PTE T3/T4 3431RE Ball Bearing Turbo
DSM Link
950cc FIC Injectors
255 Walbro fuel pump
FMIC 25x7x2.8 with short piping
GM MAF/Translator setup
{Fidanza Flywheel and ACT 2600 clutch}

Let me know what you guys think. If I forgot anything I apologize, it's 4:00 am here in Iraq. Any thoughts/criticism would be appreciated. Thanks

 

[mjarrell20]

why not 264/272? i have that setup and love it. no rough idle and pulls hard all the way to redline.

if you do stroke it at least get a really good lsd, and if you rreally don't wanna spin through every gear get an anti-lift kit.

 

[Slippi84]

why not 264/272? i have that setup and love it. no rough idle and pulls hard all the way to redline.

if you do stroke it at least get a really good lsd, and if you rreally don't wanna spin through every gear get an anti-lift kit.

But your not makin 450whp

 

[RedTalonTsi]

Clevite is no longer considered the bearing of choice, apparantly they changed their materials, here's a thread where two wisemen point this out, they say use ACL.

http://dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=224925&highlight=clevite+bearings

Later,
Dana

 

[alex]

Ok NutSwinger, Shep is also a 7 SECOUND "RACE CAR" Not a street car anymore so dont even compare the 2 at this point.

I don't think your understanding my statement. My statement was that no matter if its a race car or not, pushing the smallest or biggest turbo, the 2.0L is the way to go. Shepard, being the fastest DSM out there is running on a stock 4g63 crank, making it 2.0L. If the stroker kit was better, wouldn't you think he would be running that. There are reasons behind this, tests have been ran.

The stoker kit will only benifit you if you have a massive turbo, only then will it increase the spool up time.

 

[talonTSIDriver]

Ok NutSwinger, Shep is also a 7 SECOUND "RACE CAR" Not a street car anymore so dont even compare the 2 at this point.

Why the name calling???

I don't think your understanding my statement. My statement was that no matter if its a race car or not, pushing the smallest or biggest turbo, the 2.0L is the way to go. Shepard, being the fastest DSM out there is running on a stock 4g63 crank, making it 2.0L. If the stroker kit was better, wouldn't you think he would be running that. There are reasons behind this, tests have been ran.

And alex is right, the fact is, its a 2.0 Liter nonetheless.

 

[mavisky]

The stoker kit will only benifit you if you have a massive turbo, only then will it increase the spool up time.

The stroker will decrease spool time on any turbo, even more so on a small turbo. Ask Andy Moraitis, one of our wiseman who just got his stroker on his evo III 16g car finished. There's almost no lag at all anymore.

Would you argue that a 5 liter v8 wouldn't spool a 14b faster than a 2.0 4 cylinder? It's no different than the stroker to 2.0 comparison. Sure it's much bigger, but that just means the difference is much bigger, an engine is just an air pump, and the more you can get in the more you can get out. The more you get out, the faster it spools. Assuming the two motors are similar in modifications the stroker will always spool faster than the 2.0.

 

[alex]

The only way I would get a stroker kit is if i got an amazingly deal on it.

 

[Slippi84]

The stroker will decrease spool time on any turbo, even more so on a small turbo. Ask Andy Moraitis, one of our wiseman who just got his stroker on his evo III 16g car finished. There's almost no lag at all anymore.

Would you argue that a 5 liter v8 wouldn't spool a 14b faster than a 2.0 4 cylinder? It's no different than the stroker to 2.0 comparison. Sure it's much bigger, but that just means the difference is much bigger, an engine is just an air pump, and the more you can get in the more you can get out. The more you get out, the faster it spools. Assuming the two motors are similar in modifications the stroker will always spool faster than the 2.0.

Yeah but with a turbo big enough to make the kind of hp he's talkin about it will mainly operate in the upper rpms anyway and 2.0's rev higher than stokers. Strokers make a car more streetable yes but for straight lien racing I think a 2.0 is the way to go and like the other guy said it's not that a 2.0 s stronger or anything but if the stroker was better for dragging shep would have one.

 

[talonTSIDriver]

The stroker will decrease spool time on any turbo, even more so on a small turbo. Ask Andy Moraitis, one of our wiseman who just got his stroker on his evo III 16g car finished. There's almost no lag at all anymore.

Would you argue that a 5 liter v8 wouldn't spool a 14b faster than a 2.0 4 cylinder? It's no different than the stroker to 2.0 comparison. Sure it's much bigger, but that just means the difference is much bigger, an engine is just an air pump, and the more you can get in the more you can get out. The more you get out, the faster it spools. Assuming the two motors are similar in modifications the stroker will always spool faster than the 2.0.

I think what Alex is trying to say is that with HUGE tubo's, it really helps to have the stroker. The downside of the bigger strokers is you can reach the HIGH rpm's of the 2.0L. And getting to those high rpm's you will generate more power.

Basically it all depends on your setup, and whats the car being used for (drag, autocross, ect...).

 

[alex]

Yes, that is what I was trying to say. Great topic and there were a lot of good arguments that were brought up.