350whp

[krummel21]

Alright I've been reading threads and eveyone I've one has either said that the Evo 3 could do this and that it couldn't. What Turbo would I need for this goal and what supporting mods could get me to that point.

 

[krummel21]

What is a realistic Estimate of AWD whp w/ a Evo 3 compared to a 20g.
Oh and here's what Im planning on putting on:
-Greddy Type-s bov
-greddy 24" FMIC
-650's
-HKS intake
-Manual Boost Controler
-02 housing
-Walboro 255 LPH
-Act 2600
-SAFC 2
-Boost, Oil pressure, and EGT Gauge
Am I missing something?

 

[DSMSpyder99]

What is a realistic Estimate of AWD whp w/ a Evo 3 compared to a 20g.
Oh and here's what Im planning on putting on:
-Greddy Type-s bov
-greddy 24" FMIC
-650's
-HKS intake
-Manual Boost Controler
-02 housing
-Walboro 255 LPH
-Act 2600
-SAFC 2
-Boost, Oil pressure, and EGT Gauge
Am I missing something?

REALISTIC you will probably get about 330ish AWHP on a E16G/B16G with good tuning. With a TD06 20G probably about 375ish AWHP with good tuning

You are missing a 3" turbo back exhaust, and I/C piping

 

[krummel21]

I've already got the 3" downpipe and exhaust, and the intercooler pipse I left out cause of the FMIC just to lazy to put them on. Is there anything that I should do to my internals before I put that much power in there.

 

[leakyfaucet]

whattaaa u talking abowwwtt?
LT1 and LS1 are completely different motors. Different blocks, Different heads (alum vs. cast), different everything. They went in the same cars, though.
An LT1 car is an easy target because they usually will run high13's to low 14's stock. A few simple mods to your dsm and you can do better than that. Easy target.
An LS1 car is a hard target because they are capable of getting high 12's stock. Bolt on some long tubes, ls6 intake, high stall converter, and a rearend gearset and you can say hellooooo to some badass 11 second 1/4 mile time slips.
There are as many mods available for a SBC as there are number of dsm's ever produced.

A '96 grand sport vette with the LT1 makes 330hp. A 97 vette with the LS1 makes 340. OooOoOooOoOo.

Also, you can get LT1s with aluminum heads.

 

[pinknuggit]

yeah...

oh.. a '96 GS vette has the *Drumroll* LT4 which was only made that year..

so ha!

 

[Boostmonkey]

Please enlighten myself, and the others ignorant to what an lt1/ls1 is? is it a motor? (similar to our 4g63) or is it a model of a car? what cars have these motors in them? vettes only? are they corvette motors that people are putting into other cars? much like the b16 etc swap into crxs? i would appreciate anyone clearing this up for me

Edit: also what is an f body? i cant for the life of me guess what that could be. thanks

Dave

 

[Mark S.]

I was dead even with a modded ls1 trans am from a 70 roll. I have a big 16g ported clipped, heads, cams, etc etc. I run low low 12's high 11's at the track.

 

[f4st]

Please enlighten myself, and the others ignorant to what an lt1/ls1 is? is it a motor? (similar to our 4g63) or is it a model of a car? what cars have these motors in them? vettes only? are they corvette motors that people are putting into other cars? much like the b16 etc swap into crxs? i would appreciate anyone clearing this up for me

Edit: also what is an f body? i cant for the life of me guess what that could be. thanks

Dave

lt1 and ls1s are the stock engine types for trans ams and camaros. it all depends on years and model types.

and i agree that ls1s are a completely different animal compared to an lt1.

 

[leakyfaucet]

yeah...

oh.. a '96 GS vette has the *Drumroll* LT4 which was only made that year..

so ha!

Blah! Okay, better example: 1997 Z28 Camaro with LT1 has 285 hp, 1998 Z28 Camaro with LS1 has 305.

 

[saw wave analog]

I was dead even with a modded ls1 trans am from a 70 roll. I have a big 16g ported clipped, heads, cams, etc etc. I run low low 12's high 11's at the track.

this guy can run with them

 

[leakyfaucet]

I have a big 16g ported clipped, heads, cams, etc etc.

Just how many heads do you have?

 

[drk mrk iv]

What about a to4b? I had no idea the 20g could put out so much power. I thought the evo16g was superior to the 20g.

 

[paul s]

We just went to a awd mustang dyno and a guy with a evo16g with basic bolt ons and fmic 650s did 270awhp on 20psi, he runs 12.9/110..

 

[drk mrk iv]

And a 20g is going to be pushing more like 330-350 with that same settup, no?

 

[krummel21]

how about the 50-trim compared to the 20g? Which is a better turbo and what kind of ratings can I get from them

 

[Mackzero]

I would recommend the 50-trim, everyone I have talked to loves theirs. I went a little bigger, cause I know I will want mo'powr soon. I get full spool by 3700 rpms on a GT3255, granted I have a p&p head, and ported SBR cast manifold, but the car is very good on the street. As long as you take care of your supporting mods, you wont' be disappointed.

 

[Generation1JeY]

dude u were considering a 16g or a 20g, why would u just throw in 50 trim all of a sudden? 20g is easily capable of the power u want and u dont have to change everything in ur exhaust system to bolt it up, u dont have to get another manifold for the garret and externally gate it. I'm sure that with all the proper supporting mods a 16g will make u happy, but if u have doubts then just go with the 20g. Also want to add that evo16Gs are really cheap right now compared to a 1200$ 20g setup.

 

[krummel21]

The reason why I had said the 50 trim was beecause I had heard that they were a lot cheaper than the 20g. It's just that I want right around 350 awhp and I didn't know if the Evo could do that. And another thing I have an Evo III O2 housing right nwo would that even work witha 20g?

 

[Wolfgang]

if your v8 guys are anything like the ones in my town you are going to have a hard time ever catching them. pretty much all of the modded f bodies around here are on the low end of 12's and under. v8 is just an easier platform to get those kind of numbers out of. ls1's stock are as fast or faster than most dsms with all the basic street mods done. if you want to be a serious v8 killer its going to take a 50 trim or bigger, cams, a bigass i/c, and nitrous wouldnt hurt either. unless you are talking about killing stock v8's.. but what is the fun in that.


to this day the only f body ive ever beaten has been an lt1 z28 with cai, a chip and a couple other little things done to it. i beat him in the quarter but he came flying by me at about 100mph. my town has a shitload of serious f bodies though.. but anyone on basic mods that is saying they are beating ls1's with ease is lying to you imo. stoplight to stoplight maybe, but get one from a stop and wait until they hit that bastard 3rd gear and just start reeling you in.. assholes

This man speaks the complete truth. He knows what he's talking about. Most storys I hear are of Camaros and Trans Ams (the LS1 boys) that are just toying with DSMs and shit and just matching speed so they can't get into their lane, and the DSM or Civic or import or whatever you want to imagine, will finally pull up and change lanes and throw on the hazards. Automatic LS1s will hit mid 13s stock. 6-speed LS1s will hit very low 13s and even a few high 12s with ease. This guy must be an LS1 freak like myself (I recently changed over from LS2.com because they were all immature bastards) because he knows about 3rd gear. If an LS1 races you, and he or she hits 3rd gear they will pull insanely hard. The reason for this is it's the first real gear the driver can floor it in. If they floor it in first or second they will just spin the tires all day. Third gear and they can give it everything she's got. Like he said, anyone that says they're pulling on LS1s with no problem, unless they are seriously modded, are probably lying to you. They put 300 horsepower to the wheels off the showroom flor, and people have dynos to prove it. With a filter, a lid, and a catback they're putting down 325. Add a set of headers and they're putting down 345 or 350. LS6 intake and a bigger throttle body and they're putting down 370. Chip it and it's 385. LS1s respond to mods insanely well. With a few hundred dollars you can join the 350 whp club.

...and most SOHC modular 4.6 motors suck ass.

 

[saw wave analog]

heh ive never owned or even driven a v8 f body before (driven a couple v6's but those dont count).. but they are kind of my measuring stick as far as my own cars performance is concerned. there are SHITLOADS of them in my area and they are all fast... i have a lot of respect for them after being beaten a thousand times by a thousand different examples. reading the import boards would have you believe that they arent anything special, but if you actually go out and race them its a totally different story. i think a lot of the f body kills you hear about on import forums must be off of lights up to 50 or something because once those things hit 3rd its always over for me. dsms certainly can be modded to keep up with or even beat them but it takes a lot more than just basic mods to do it and i think quite a few people that may not have quite as much firsthand experience with them dont realize that. they have almost 3 times the displacement we do, respond to mods even better than dsms, and stock are faster than most averagely modded dsms.

i still prefer awd though

 

[Mark S.]

Just how many heads do you have?

I have one heads.

 

[Coup D E'Tat]

dude u were considering a 16g or a 20g, why would u just throw in 50 trim all of a sudden? 20g is easily capable of the power u want and u dont have to change everything in ur exhaust system to bolt it up, u dont have to get another manifold for the garret and externally gate it. I'm sure that with all the proper supporting mods a 16g will make u happy, but if u have doubts then just go with the 20g. Also want to add that evo16Gs are really cheap right now compared to a 1200$ 20g setup.

You seriously need to look into things more before running your mouth. This is the second time in the same thread I'm going to have to prove what you said isn't true.

Since when are all 50-trims straight Garrett?

There are hybrid turbos, you know. And plenty of them for under $1,200. PTE 50-trims start at $850, and are a direct bolt on. You use you stock manifold and O2 housing, and simply have to alter the lines a bit, but you'd have to do that with a lot of turbos anyways.

 

[Mackzero]

That's what I am saying... PTE turbos are more or less a direct bolt up, just need SS oil lines and modify the drain tube, which is pretty much a no brainer and your in business. I would take a 50-trim type hybrid with GT wheels over a 20G any day. Technology has given us the GT wheels and even without Dual BB the turbos spool very good. And flow well also.

 

[Generation1JeY]

You seriously need to look into things more before running your mouth. This is the second time in the same thread I'm going to have to prove what you said isn't true.

Since when are all 50-trims straight Garrett?

There are hybrid turbos, you know. And plenty of them for under $1,200. PTE 50-trims start at $850, and are a direct bolt on. You use you stock manifold and O2 housing, and simply have to alter the lines a bit, but you'd have to do that with a lot of turbos anyways.

I stand corrected.

But my point was just that he was considering a 16g and a 20g if he REALLY needed to to get the power he wanted, the 20g is a large enough turbo for him so i dont see why the 50 trim would be suggested.

 

[Coup D E'Tat]

Understandable, and yes, a 20G, or similar, will be more than enough for a lot of people on this board.