2g vs. 3g

[Nicker31]

I recently got rid of my 93 TSi and am looking at getting a newer mitsu. I am really interested in a 2g (97-99 pref.) Spyder and the 3g GT's. I was wondering what opinions people had on the comparison of these 2 vehicles. What are the benefits and downsides to both, and what would you recommend doing?

 

[Lunch_Box]

The 3G doesn't deserve to be called an Eclipse. It is a completely different platform and is worse than the 2G in every way.

 

[BlackbirdOfPrey]

If you want to go fast don't buy a 3g. I think the fastest one I've read about is mid 11's. The fastest 2g is in the 8's (depending on whether you count Rau's). The 3g's do not respond well to forced induction (weak internalls), and are all FWD. The 2g's you have turbo, and an AWD option (unless you really want a Spyder which is FWD). I really don't see the point of a 3g really unless you are just looking for a driving car. Even then you could probably get something better for your money.

 

[Maximum404]

To better answer this question we really need to know what you want out of the car. There are thousands of opinions out there, each one not yours. Do you want a warranty on your car? Are you looking to race? If so, AutoX, Drag, Road Race? What kind of budget are you on? The more we know, the better we can help you.

 

[daren_p]

Basically the only reason to buy a 3g IMO would be for the looks, that is if you like the look of them. Personally I prefer the 2g alot better. As has already been said the 4G63 motor is alot better if you want to make some nice power and responds to simple bolt on alot better. Plus there are a tonn more parts for the 2g's. I personally would never think about trading my 2g for a 3g.

 

[c5chris]

I have both.

The 3G Eclipse isnt bad but it's boring. The 3G feels more like a big sedan than an Eclipse but the 3G has less creaking and annoying chassis noises than my 2G. I think they figured out how to make a good chassis and made it stiffer when the 3G was designed.

I like the look if it more than the 1G but not over the sexy 2Gb. They had an awesome looking prototype when they planned the 3G but due to cost, well u got the boring 3G. They should had stuck with the 4G63 in it and further developed the AWD-turbo platform.

 

[sential]

hands down without a doubt definately the 2G.

 

[Phaze1ne]

2g > 3g

Nuff said.

 

[ClErMoNT2g]

basically, the 3g is the equilvilant of a galant minus two doors and a back seat :thumbdown

 

[CrazyUglyCoyote]

The 3g's do not respond well to forced induction (weak internalls), and are all FWD.

This is not true! I have a 3G, and my budy also has a 4cyl 3G that is boosted. They can handle 10psi on stock internals, and you will see about 240 HP. They boost very nicely. But they are very heavy. I have since bought a 1G Talon AWD since I want to go fast. I just use my 3G for long trips, and carrying shit.

 

[FourG63 97GST]

The 3G doesn't deserve to be called an Eclipse. It is a completely different platform and is worse than the 2G in every way.

look at the chassis or a 3G and compare to a 2G an see if you see the difference

bet half of the 3G shit talkers never actually to the time to look at it

 

[Quasimondo]

If you're really considering a 3G, i think you should wait a few months and take a look at the 4G.

 

[jdm4g63]

Keep in mind the 3g is not meant for our crowd. It is a passenger car. A 3g is a chrysler sebring or a dodge stratus rt. If you want to spend that kind of money or want a warranty, wait a little and get an evo or better yet a stripped down 350z (they're sexy and all of you know it!)

Really a 2g is the way to g. A nice AWD!! 2gb would be really nice. You could get one for around $10k and have a good deal of money left to mod it. Think about it like this, if the 3g and 2g were on level playing fields (and that is a big if), a 2g cost $10k and a 3g cost $25k. So your 2g will have a $15k headstart on modifactions and you could pretty much have a fully built car for that.

 

[Nicker31]

I think its an overwhelming opinion that the 3g isn't welcome into the DSM community The more and more I've been thinking about it I don't think that I could get away from having a turbo (Had a 93 TSi awd) - it's just way to much fun to play with. Thanks for the opinions and if anyone has word on a 97-99 drop me a note. Thanks for throwin your stuff out on here.

 

[Defiant]

I am really interested in a 2g (97-99 pref.) Spyder and the 3g GT's. I was wondering what opinions people had on the comparison of these 2 vehicles.

A 2G is to a 3G as a '67 Cougar is to a '2001 Cougar.

You may like a 3G, that's up to you. But they're not DSMs. Try a 3G site and see what you think.

Bashing is unneeded.

 

[FireyIce01]

A 2G is to a 3G as a '67 Cougar is to a '2001 Cougar.

You may like a 3G, that's up to you. But they're not DSMs. Try a 3G site and see what you think.

Bashing is unneeded.

I was going to go with the '69 versus '05 Charger... but same basic pretense... they're not the same car. :thumbdown and in my opinion, both wre ruined counterparts of a once nice car, but I'm also sure that somone out there has got to like 'em or they wouldn't be selling... course, the 3g - I'd sport that... *IF* I could put AWD and a Turbo on it, and get rid of those fugly door speed grooves, or whatever the hell they are... and an AWD twin turbo 3 liter v6 with dual throttle bodies and a custom split intake would be awesome to sport around town, but the motor would have to be rebuilt with all new internals... :thumbdown

 

[BlackbirdOfPrey]

This is not true! I have a 3G, and my budy also has a 4cyl 3G that is boosted. They can handle 10psi on stock internals, and you will see about 240 HP. They boost very nicely. But they are very heavy. I have since bought a 1G Talon AWD since I want to go fast. I just use my 3G for long trips, and carrying shit.

10psi is chump change compared to what our cars handle regularly (20+psi), but then again maybe I'm just spoiled..... not to mention 240 hp for the 3g which is about 20K (give or take) for the car, plus the money for a turbo kit that is BARELY better than a stock 2g. I know which one I'd go with. Again, if you want a regular car, a 3g is fine, if you want performance, a 2g is the way to go.

BTW what kind of turbo are you referring to?

 

[JessesTalon]

They are nice cars for what they are. 200 hp is not bad, they are sporty looking cars and get good mpg... nothing wrong with it. If you want new mitsu awd turbo get a EVO.

 

[Defiant]

I was going to go with the '69 versus '05 Charger

That's beyond harsh. That's just plain mean.

*IF* I could put AWD and a Turbo on it, and get rid of those fugly door speed grooves, or whatever the hell they are

You haven't seen the new commercial? Those strengthen the doors! And, the Eclipse has been the most popular imported sporty car for fifteen years (even if ten of those weren't this piece of shit). And, they'll give you fifteen-hundred bucks to help them get rid of the pigs before the new one hits, and they become as valuable as thirty-year-old unrestored VWs (if you own a 3G now, insure the living hell out of it and burn in down before the resale burns down).

... and an AWD twin turbo 3 liter v6 with dual throttle bodies and a custom split intake would be awesome to sport around town, but the motor would have to be rebuilt with all new internals... :thumbdown

Yeah. Not that we're biased.....


Actually, 3Gs may become one of the biggest bargains in the whole car world when the 4G shows up.

 

[dsmpower1]

go 2g allthe way. They look better. They are faster and they are a dsm.
And another thing, i have 1 letter 3 numbers for you *4G63*
It also depends on what you want the vehicle for. I think that if you want it to pick up chicks than maybe the convertible 3g might be best for you, but if you don't care about that than the 2g will take care of you.
ever since mitsu went with the v6 for the eclipse, it was down hill from there except for evo which may save them.
So in conclusion
2G
3G :thumbdown

 

[Nicker31]

Thanks for all the opinions guys. And let me just note that if I had the cash to back it, my new EVO 8 would be sitting in my garage being spitshined by yours truely and this convo would have never happened. However I have come to realize that i can't live my life without that spool noise coming from under the hood, ditched the "sedan" 3g and found a nice 97 GST spyder that I'm going to be picking up on Monday. Wow what an excellent way to kick off the Spring Break 04 huh?

 

[marcmsj]

They should had stuck with the 4G63 in it and further developed the AWD-turbo platform

they did... it's called an EVO

 

[Clipse7]

I have them both as well

The 3G is a good car, but not nearly as fun to drive. The looks in my opinion are better, and it has a very comfy ride, and if you are looking for just a nice ride get a 3G. But if you want any actual speed in your ride, and some excitement, get a 2G. You can make a 2G into anything you want it to be, they are one of the most customizable cars you can get. I use my 3G for trips, and mainly for this past winter. Now it's summer and I can't wait to go soley 2G. My 3G GT is going up for sale, and I don't have any regrets. The 3G was a lot more comfy, but it was nothing a couple Sparco Milanos couldn't completely fix.

 

[sebassttiann]

i personally like the interior and its options alot better in the 3g then the 2g but yeah 2g for all the reasons stated before. i drive a N/T and i'ld push that over a 3g any day except maybe a big maybe for a GT just cause im so slow

 

[DSM-Talon-John]

this whole converstation is pointless as the 3g is not a dsm, so i say trash the thread.