2G AWD tokico advanced handling kit pics

[AwD4g63TsI]

Here is a side by side of a bone stock suspension 2G next to one that has just had Tokico's advanced handling kit installed. I see a lot of people wanting to know what a certain setup looks like compared to stock...so here's one setup

 

[idkiliketurbos]

This is actually a very good picture for me. I'm running stock height looking to go a little lower. The tokico set up has for sure caught my eye seeing as it offers springs/shocks for a great price. Thanks for the side by side shot!

 

[manny correa]

Wow, I have the exact same setup on my 99 gsx, and it does not sit that low! Seems like you have no gap at all. I can fit 2 fingers between my tire and fender in the front, and about 2-3 in the back. Weird... Thinking of I did something wrong. Did you trim the bump stops?

 

[AwD4g63TsI]

I've got my bumpstops trimmed one "rung". I also have RM sways bars in the front and rear on the white car. Neither of those should have any effect on ride height however. I can get 2 fingers in front and in back-it's exactly the same. I think there may be an optical illusion going on when looking at this picture because the red gsx looks extremely high next to the white one. The handling of the kit seems very good and the ride is not overly harsh. For the money I am really liking this kit since this is a DD. Keep in mind however that I have the RM sway bars too...so I can't comment on how the advanced handling kit will work on its own.

 

[gsxtreme1987]

I am on same setup.. and mine looks lower . Weird

 

[perks563]

Those cars are beautiful! Lucky

 

[Kyle_T]

Are you guys running a rear camber kit with the tokico setup?

 

[PieEyedPiper]

Are you guys running a rear camber kit with the tokico setup?

You pretty much have to.

 

[Kyle_T]

You pretty much have to.

How many washers or how big of a spacer are you running? And whats your rear camber at?

 

[PieEyedPiper]

When I lowered on Prokits my rear was an easy -3* camber, maybe just shy. I typically use 5 or 6 fender washers to get me at a nice -1*.

 

[jtmcinder]

The rear knuckle is about 24" tall. Time to use that high-school trig, kids.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

I'm getting my threads mixed up. I thought this was the guy that was doing this method. http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/handling-tech/101731-how-2-check-camber-home.html

It is not.

....

The vertical link in the rear is about 24" long. So, to do the trig, you first decide how much camber you want to take out (in degrees), find the tangent of this value, then multiply by 24" and that how thick the washers need to be.

Example: you want to take out .25 degrees.

tan .25 = .00436

.00436 x 24" = .105"

So you want about a tenth of an inch in shims or washers behind the upper arm mounts to delete .25 degrees of neg camber.

- Jtoby

EDIT: I actually got my threads even more mixed up. That's not the one, either.

 

[Kyle_T]

When I lowered on Prokits my rear was an easy -3* camber, maybe just shy. I typically use 5 or 6 fender washers to get me at a nice -1*.

Thanks, thats what I was looking for.

 

[jtmcinder]

I kind of preferred CB's last post, tee hee, especially since the one that you quoted doesn't actually provide the thickness of the fender washers, but it's not my car.

 

[Kyle_T]

The reason I got these is because I wanted to get rid of the rake I had with my old setup, but it still seems like the rear is alot higher than the front. All the springs are seated correctly. Everyone else seems to have pretty even wheel gap in front and rear. Any thoughts?

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[PieEyedPiper]

I kind of preferred CB's last post, tee hee, especially since the one that you quoted doesn't actually provide the thickness of the fender washers, but it's not my car.

If I were honest, I had a slight chuckle when I saw what was quoted.
But being even more truthful, I think it's what people want to hear. If they can put a real number on it they gain confidence. I know for certain, all I wanted was for someone to share how many washers I needed to use to get it in the ballpark when I was doing this kind of stuff in 2006ish. As for the thickness of the fender washers, "normal".

The reason I got these is because I wanted to get rid of the rake I had with my old setup, but it still seems like the rear is alot higher than the front. All the springs are seated correctly. Everyone else seems to have pretty even wheel gap in front and rear. Any thoughts?

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My thoughts are only this: Same here.
I gained all the camber from lowering the rear but none of the actual lowering. It's good for my style of driving though because I prefer to be a little more nimble than be a high-speed sweeper. But that's also dictated by my environment. HWY 1 and HWY 128 are just effing nuts out here in Sonoma/Mendocino County.

 

[Kyle_T]

As for the camber adjustment I just wanted to get a close estimate, because I made spacers instead of using washers.

And the rear settled a tiny bit, but is still higher than the front. Its not really a big deal to me, just seems like everyone elses pictures show pretty even wheel gap.

 

[Kyle_T]

Anybody used the fwd springs on an awd car? I have the awd kit on my car but hate the wheel gap in the rear. And I really dont want to spend the money on coilovers just to fix my wheel gap. Thinking maybe the fwd will sit a tad lower in the rear.

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I like how my front sits, but hate the wheel gap in the rear

 

[Kyle_T]

Anyone think the fwd springs will get rid of the rear wheel gap? Haha

 

[Jesse2012]

Anyone think the fwd springs will get rid of the rear wheel gap? Haha

Would love to know the same thing, I have the awd kit for my gst and the back is about a half inch higher than the front

 

[Kyle_T]

Would love to know the same thing, I have the awd kit for my gst and the back is about a half inch higher than the front

If I find a good deal on just the springs or maybe even the full setup I think Im going to try it. Most of the gst's Ive seen with this setup have an even drop front and rear.

 

[Insane20]

where are you guys getting camber kits at??? ever since I lowered my car my camber has been way out of wack and ive been chewing off my rear tires. the alignment machine says there is no adjustment just toe. is there a way to adjust it without a kit?

 

[WES_393]

If I find a good deal on just the springs or maybe even the full setup I think Im going to try it. Most of the gst's Ive seen with this setup have an even drop front and rear.

The only problem I see with this idea: Tokico claims less drop for FWD models (1.5" vs 1.75" for AWD) That makes me think the springs aren't different, like with the factory equipment.

Compared to my TSi AWD, not only is your rear sitting high, but the front is really low. Are you sure you didn't mix up the springs? Is the suspension binding in the rear, like from seized bushings? Or possibly some other issue causing the height differences? Here's pics of my car, keep in mind the overall wheel diameter is very close to stock. The 2nd pic is after the suspension had settled, it passes the "Shoe Test" in the rear.

<img src="http://www.dsmtuners.com/gallery/files/1/2/9/0/7/1/dscn0233-1.jpg" alt="High-rise On Talon" />

<img src="http://www.dsmtuners.com/gallery/files/1/2/9/0/7/1/528203_518224284903104_810442293_n.jpg" alt="Talon & Graffiti 2" />

where are you guys getting camber kits at??? ever since I lowered my car my camber has been way out of wack and ive been chewing off my rear tires. the alignment machine says there is no adjustment just toe. is there a way to adjust it without a kit?

There is no factory camber adjustment. For the rear, a "camber kit" is just longer bolts and some washers under the UCA's. If your chewing up tires quickly, you probably have issues with toe as well.

FWIW, I used 3 washers (with STM's kit) and rear camber is -1.8X&#176; on both sides.

 

[Diamond Star Werks]

where are you guys getting camber kits at??? ever since I lowered my car my camber has been way out of wack and ive been chewing off my rear tires. the alignment machine says there is no adjustment just toe. is there a way to adjust it without a kit?

For the rear yes. you can also add ingalls kit for the rear. And sliding (spc) ball joints for the fronts

 

[Kyle_T]

The only problem I see with this idea: Tokico claims less drop for FWD models (1.5" vs 1.75" for AWD) That makes me think the springs aren't different, like with the factory equipment.

Compared to my TSi AWD, not only is your rear sitting high, but the front is really low. Are you sure you didn't mix up the springs? Is the suspension binding in the rear, like from seized bushings? Or possibly some other issue causing the height differences? Here's pics of my car, keep in mind the overall wheel diameter is very close to stock. The 2nd pic is after the suspension had settled, it passes the "Shoe Test" in the rear.

They seem to have different part numbers, but I see what you mean by different drops.

AWD Tokico HPK Shock/Spring Mitsubishi Eclipse Lowering Kit [AWD] (95-99) HPK239
FWD Tokico HPK Shock/Spring Mitsubishi Eclipse Lowering Kit [2WD] (95-99) HPK231

The front isnt really that low, might just be the picture. From what Ive seen on here the front seems about normal. Here are some examples on fwd cars how the drop is more even.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/han...spension-kit-picture-request.html#post1675189
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/handling-tech/31564-tokico-1-75-too-much.html#post272749

Everything in my rear seems to move freely, so I dont think thats the issue.