20g question

[boostedinaz]

I was in the same boat you were a few months ago. I wanted to go fast but I don't want all the crazy big turbo's and 5K shortblock and so on. The big factor was putting a cage in my car and the fact that I didn;t want to do it. That put me at low 12's, now mid 11's with the rule change.

My setup is a fresh 2G piston, 1G rod combo with a fresh stock head. I won;t have cams or a SMIM yet, but I have no worries about going low 12's with my setup and faster with cams and SMIM. A lot of people say a 16G will get you there and that is true, but I didn't want to 60ft the shit out of my car to make a good 1/4 time. I can get the same time and be a bit easier on the car with the 20G. I am big on reliabilty and I have no doubt my car will run hard for along time with the setup I have know. Until I retire the car to racecar status I will try and achieve great times with a 20G. I will also be using DSMLink to tune my car along with a wideband.

 

[GORBS88]

Hmmm, not to sure why you guys want to run big turbos to run 12's...look at the quarter mile list and see guys runnin low 12's and even 11's with the 14b....do some research and do the small stuff that counts.....port everything and away you go...i have gone 12.4 with 14b and 450's.... no front mount no fuel control with a 1.73 60ft....good luck...

 

[boostedinaz]

Hmmm, not to sure why you guys want to run big turbos to run 12's...look at the quarter mile list and see guys runnin low 12's and even 11's with the 14b....do some research and do the small stuff that counts.....port everything and away you go...i have gone 12.4 with 14b and 450's.... no front mount no fuel control with a 1.73 60ft....good luck...

I will disagree. SOME have gone that fast on the 14B. No matter what anyone tells you it is not a common accourance by any means. I have had this conversation many times with many people and it is not as easy as some make it out to be.

 

[import1]

Hmmm, not to sure why you guys want to run big turbos to run 12's...look at the quarter mile list and see guys runnin low 12's and even 11's with the 14b....do some research and do the small stuff that counts.....port everything and away you go...i have gone 12.4 with 14b and 450's.... no front mount no fuel control with a 1.73 60ft....good luck...

It makes more sense to me to buy a bigger 20g or 50 trim then pay to have my 14b clipped, ported, and rebuilt as it would probably need to be. It would be alot less punishment on a daily driver to not max everything out. Also i cant imagine running those times consitantly and safely without a front mount and supporting fuel mods, or even fuel control.

edit:I just read your profile, it says you did this on race gas. Im looking to run pump gas all the time, no race gas or fuel additives.

 

[boostedinaz]

Im looking to run pump gas all the time, no race gas or fuel additives.

20G or larger is going to your only choice for those times on pump. You may be able to do it on a EVOIII but I highly doubt it.

 

[GORBS88]

I will disagree. SOME have gone that fast on the 14B. No matter what anyone tells you it is not a common accourance by any means. I have had this conversation many times with many people and it is not as easy as some make it out to be.

Well i will disagree, if i can do it most can do it...and its not from people tellin me its from me actually doin it....I am not sayin it is easy but very doable......if you guys would work until the turbo runs out INSTEAD of just upgradin right away you could do it too......dont upgrade until your set-up is done...there is nuthin wrong with a 14b....I laugh at all these guys with BIG turbos that are still stuck in the 13's....now they have big injectors and cant tune it....gettin all kinds of timing cause there buddy told them to run 880cc injectors for no reason.......thats my 2 cents.....run it to its max....

 

[GORBS88]

It makes more sense to me to buy a bigger 20g or 50 trim then pay to have my 14b clipped, ported, and rebuilt as it would probably need to be. It would be alot less punishment on a daily driver to not max everything out. Also i cant imagine running those times consitantly and safely without a front mount and supporting fuel mods, or even fuel control.

edit:I just read your profile, it says you did this on race gas. Im looking to run pump gas all the time, no race gas or fuel additives.

actually i went 12.5 on 94 octane and 12.4 on ave gas not race gas....there is a diff...but fine if you want to go out and waste money on a big turbo then go ahead.....and i have a hand full of time slips to show my CONSISTENT 12'5 all day on pump if you want....

 

[boostedinaz]

actually i went 12.5 on 94 octane and 12.4 on ave gas not race gas....there is a diff...but fine if you want to go out and waste money on a big turbo then go ahead.....and i have a hand full of time slips to show my CONSISTENT 12'5 all day on pump if you want....

It is not a waste of money. YOU have run 12's on a 14B MANY other have not and will never. That does not mean he is waisting money.


I'm all for maxing out a setup but some, like myself, know what the norm is and what the above avergae are. I am not going to beat my head with a 14B in AZ heat with 91 trying to reach 12's just becasue someone else has done it. I know for a fact I can easily get my car in the 12's, perhaps 11's later if I want, with pump gas.

I leave it at this. Not everyone, no matter what anyone says, can easily get a 14B into the 12's. If it was that easy then the aftermarket would half what it is for our cars. Your cer performs great and I applaud you, but it is above average.

 

[GORBS88]

It is not a waste of money. YOU have run 12's on a 14B MANY other have not and will never. That does not mean he is waisting money.

My only point is i would sooner run low 12's with $1000 in mods rather then have $3000 in mods with turbo,injectors,front mount,fuel control, and run the same time...thats all i am sayin is he can do it for less then half the money so why not?????????????????????????

 

[import1]

My only point is i would sooner run low 12's with $1000 in mods rather then have $3000 in mods with turbo,injectors,front mount,fuel control, and run the same time...thats all i am sayin is he can do it for less then half the money so why not?????????????????????????

I am not planning on spending 3k for all of that. All of the things you listed can be had for alot less, especially when i do the work. You do not have to spend money on a full front mount kit, or buy a brand new turbo. I do not need to see times slips becuase i believe you. I have seen others do this too. It is easier however to run a larger turbo and front mount in my opinion and this is the opinion of alot of others too. Compare the number of people in the low 12s and high 11s with a 20g or 50 trim and then compare that to the number of people who have done this on a 14b. Both are possible, but one is easier than the other.

 

[terminaltsi]

a 14b will get you there, but everything has to be in excellent shape and you just have to have one of the stronger car to begin with. there are just as many people NOT running 12's on 20g's and 50 trims as there are people on 14b's. it's all in the tuning. proper tuning will make a big turbo car faster esp on pump gas and full weight.

 

[JiggahMan]

a 14b will get you there, but everything has to be in excellent shape and you just have to have one of the stronger car to begin with. there are just as many people NOT running 12's on 20g's and 50 trims as there are people on 14b's. it's all in the tuning. proper tuning will make a big turbo car faster esp on pump gas and full weight.

Elevation is a huge factor also.