2 spring coilovers...Pics

[DubV]

I just bought a set of Toucan Ind. Coilover springs (part#330790) for my 2g. I have a set of Tokico "blues" on it already. Has anyone seen or heard of these before? No problem between the shocks on it and the springs right? Here are some pics. They are actually 2 springs stack on top each other that are adjustable to a 4" drop. What do you think?

 

[BlackTurbo]

Im intrested in those only becuase my Tociko's are not adustable. I had coilovers in my old car and the ride was horrid (but handled nicely). I imagine these paticular ones will improve the ride over regular coilover springs.

Get those installed and let us know!

 

[kerndog8]

why? whats the benifit from having 2 springs sit on top eachother? Sounds like a death trap

 

[DubV]

I got a killer deal on em is the reason I bought em. The site says

"The latest in the line of suspension upgrades from Ractive. Each corner consists of two individual springs. One spring rate is optimized for boulevard cruising while the second is ideal for the true race enthusiast."

http://www.toucanindustries.com/ind...u=Ractive&category=Coil+Over+Kits&pos=0,15,13

 

[BLUEBLOTCH]

gotta link where you bought them ?

 

[DubV]

eBAY...but go to google and type in "Toucan 330790" and it will give you some results. They've run anywhere from $175 to $350.

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

Do a search for Toucan on this site....you might not be happy with the results of the search. One came back saying they would rather run a weapon R product, but I also see that these posters have never actually ran a Toucan product other than their light bulbs.

 

[CyberEye]

It's basically just the same as running a single spring with a variable spring rate. I don't see too big a problem with running the dual springs like that, as long as their locked in securely.

 

[4G63 GST]

Rock crawlers often run a similar setup only about 36 inches long total .. . Like stated above the dual spring just acts similar to a progressive rated spring. The softer spring will do most of the work the whole time it is in use, usually depending on the rates of the springs the stiffer of the two will see very little action unless you are hitting extreme bumps and/or getting the car airborne. The main reason this is used is so that you can have a comfortable ride but at the same time you dont sacrifice the stiffer rate when its necessary. As i mentioned before the crawler guys use them for the same reason .. especially if they are jumpin ect.. so they can still get good articulation but also dont have to worry about bottoming out coming down, ect. In theory if the springs are set up right the softer of the two even under full compression should never have the coils touch. If they do the rates between the two are wrong. The stiffer spring should start to take over the rest of the compression before the softer one would be able to bind.

Essentially you are using the softer spring rate until its under complete compression *without binding* then the whole rate changes to the stiffer springs rate until it goes back to its normal state.

Sorry for rambling, hope that helps anyone who was curious on the subject.

Luke

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

Im guessing something like this with grond control 450/275 would help alittle bit for a nicer ride then then have the 450/275 take over on anything more than a normal turn?

http://www.stockcarproducts.com/hyper3.htm or is this just to keep the spring loaded wiht no weight applied? Thanks.

 

[Yu_Gst]

interesting, i've never seen coilovers that thin...maybe it's just the picture...

 

[wret]

why? whats the benifit from having 2 springs sit on top eachother? Sounds like a death trap

The second lighter spring is a helper spring or a tender spring. They are actually not uncommon. Contrary to what the names suggest, the helper spring doesn't really contribute to the spring rate. It keeps the main spring aligned in full droop so the shock can be extended more than spring height would normally allow.

The one shown is probably a tender spring, which have a low rate but higher than a helper spring. Using tender springs creates a progressive rate as CyberEye indicated.

Use of either type usually takes some careful planning and suspension set up.

 

[dsmmyth]

I actually really like Toucan's products (Eurolite, Ractive, Toucan). However, I do not like coilovers. In my opinion, coilovers are only useful for show cars on a budget. I do not see the point in running coilovers on a daily driver if you're just going to keep it at one setting/drop.

Do a search for Toucan on this site....you might not be happy with the results of the search. One came back saying they would rather run a weapon R product, but I also see that these posters have never actually ran a Toucan product other than their light bulbs.

Wait a second, didn't you run these coilovers on your GS?

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

I actually really like Toucan's products (Eurolite, Ractive, Toucan). However, I do not like coilovers. In my opinion, coilovers are only useful for show cars on a budget. I do not see the point in running coilovers on a daily driver if you're just going to keep it at one setting/drop.

Coilovers are for autox... not for just slamming your car. The abilitly to change spring rates/length and such is what they are really about. The REAL ones are usefull not these ractive and the other you mentioned. The point is to tune your suspension for the best handling.

Wait a second, didn't you run these coilovers on your GS?

No. I had racer design ( no better really ), but I also claimed my CAI gave me 20 whp then.

 

[Dorifto]

Coilovers are for autox... not for just slamming your car. The abilitly to change spring rates/length and such is what they are really about. The REAL ones are usefull not these ractive and the other you mentioned. The point is to tune your suspension for the best handling.

I'm just glad the previous owner of my GS-T went expensive and slammed it with a Tein SS coilover setup. Makes it easier for me to autocross a full-weight 2G.

I like Toucan Ind. and their parts, personally. They may not be the best quality or highest performing, but for the price, they do pretty well. I don't see them ever competing with Tein, Eibach, or Ground Control, but what they offer, and for the price, it sounds - to me anyway - like a great entry-level investment.

-Dave-O

 

[DubV]

Ok, I think I have a problem. The bottom of the 3 pictures on the 1st post on this thread shows what these coilovers look like assembled and the top pictures are my actual kit. As you can see in the bottom picture, the coilover sleeve extends through the bottom spring and past the spacer that separates the 2 springs. On my set up top, the coilover sleeve isn't even longer than the bottom spring and is about 2 or 3 inches away from going through the spacer. There aren't any threads on the spacer. Am I missing somethin cause the way it looks, I don't think this will work.

 

[Dorifto]

That bottom pic should just be a reference pic, showing a general idea of what it looks like assembled. I would dare say that pic is for a Honda kit, as most Hondas have the longer threaded body. I wouldn't sweat it, everything seems complete and in good condition

-Dave-O

 

[DubV]

What happens if the bottom spring bottoms out and hit the spacer instead of going into it which seems to be what would happen?

 

[D_Eclipse9916]

Coilovers are for autox... not for just slamming your car. The abilitly to change spring rates/length and such is what they are really about. The REAL ones are usefull not these ractive and the other you mentioned. The point is to tune your suspension for the best handling.







No. I had racer design ( no better really ), but I also claimed my CAI gave me 20 whp then.

Wrong, you cannot change spring rates without changing out the coilover/spring. The only advantage coilovers have over springs is being able to have different heights, and thats not why people get ground control coilovers.

People get ground control coilover springs because they are quality and offer you the ability to order them from the factory with custom spring rates.

Actual track people use coilover SYSTEMS not coilover springs, which is basically a spring on a shock, but they are made for each other to compliment well. Also some coilover systems have dual adjustable settings and pillowball and adjustable top mounts..

 

[EclipseTrbo420A]

Wrong, you cannot change spring rates without changing out the coilover/spring. The only advantage coilovers have over springs is being able to have different heights, and thats not why people get ground control coilovers.

People get ground control coilover springs because they are quality and offer you the ability to order them from the factory with custom spring rates.

Actual track people use coilover SYSTEMS not coilover springs, which is basically a spring on a shock, but they are made for each other to compliment well. Also some coilover systems have dual adjustable settings and pillowball and adjustable top mounts..

Yes I know you need a new spring with a different rate to change a spring rate, but thats the idea behind what I'm saying. Ground control actually tells you the rates of their springs and allows you to pick, with Coilover SYSTEMS you don't have to pick your rates because tein and D2 and megan racing all conduct many experiments to make their kits for each individual application, but with toucan and others alike all they give you is a 95-99 eclipse or 90-94 eclipse option. All the reading I have been doing has told me that spring rates matter, and there is a difference between Turbo FWD , AWD , Spyder and non turbo. So a 95-99 all kit with questionable spring rates doesn't really cut it.

 

[wret]

Yes I know you need a new spring with a different rate to change a spring rate, but thats the idea behind what I'm saying. Ground control actually tells you the rates of their springs and allows you to pick, with Coilover SYSTEMS you don't have to pick your rates because tein and D2 and megan racing all conduct many experiments to make their kits for each individual application, but with toucan and others alike all they give you is a 95-99 eclipse or 90-94 eclipse option. All the reading I have been doing has told me that spring rates matter, and there is a difference between Turbo FWD , AWD , Spyder and non turbo. So a 95-99 all kit with questionable spring rates doesn't really cut it.

You make some good points. The things that would concern me are:
-general lack of information in the product adds,
-the advertised "up to four inch drop" is far too much and it doesn't appear that there is much adjustment range,
-the uncoated aluminum will corrode quickly making future adjustment difficult.

 

[stirpicult]

People get ground control coilover springs because they are quality and offer you the ability to order them from the factory with custom spring rates.

Actual track people use coilover SYSTEMS not coilover springs, which is basically a spring on a shock, but they are made for each other to compliment well. Also some coilover systems have dual adjustable settings and pillowball and adjustable top mounts..

i got my ground controls so i could set the height where i wanted it, get the rates i wanted, and, eventually, corner balance my car.

corner balancing is why track guys get coilovers, though i know of a guy who raced his SE-R with regular eibachs, and just shimmed them to get the balance right.
http://www.nsxprime.com/FAQ/Performance/cornerbalance.htm

and there are pretty of track people running gc's with other struts/shocks.