2.4 Project underway

[insanewayne]

I've had plans to do this for quite some time, and now the first stages have begun.

I picked up my G4CS shortblock from the junkyard today, pulled it myself, so the guy gave it to me for 50$. (Keep in mind I'm in canada) What a deal. It has 200,000 km's on it, but after closer inspection it seems it might have been rebuilt, looks like it was recently honed. I am in an automotive course through the highschool (its a pre-requisite for the college course), so I'm using the shop to work on it. Got the pan off before i had to leave today. Will gut it out tomorrow and check the condition of crank-my main concern right now. But overall the engine is in quite nice shape.

I will be making a full guide with pictures and step by step proceduers for anyone else who wants to do this, because I couln't a very good or thourough one myself.

I Will post as progress is made.

I am very stoked for this project, I will give more details to my plans as things come together.

A Q for the guys who know, I was thinkin of going with the stock 1g big rods, for the meantime as I am on a budjet...are they compatible with the wiseco's wrist pin design? I will be uprading to eagle's down the road, unless i get enough good deals to get them now.

Thanks

Wayne

 

[adam0137]

Any 2.0L rods should work, and since you got a 6bolt 2.4L then it came with big rods in it so you should just be able to use those.

 

[insanewayne]

Yeh, i know, and i was planning on using those rods it came with, or the ones out of my 63, but then i read that wiseco's have a floating wrist pin disign or something? Which isn't the same as the stock design...I think i'll go look this up right now.

Thanks

Wayne

 

[Batboost]

Make sure you post up what you read, or a link.

 

[bastarddsm]

there are 3 ways to take care of this

1) run it as a press fit pin, and leave the circlips out of it.

2) hone the small end of the rod a little bit and let it be a floater

3) have the small end bushed like a eagle rod

1 and 2 are the best options, becuase haveing a bushed piston pin is a bad idea in a detionation prone engine.

 

[insanewayne]

Yeh I found close to the same answers, but here's what i read.

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=101563&highlight=big+rods+full+floating

"the pin end is honed to fit the pin and an oil hole is added. No bushing is used and the pin and rod will kill each other"

Thats sounds really awesome . Anyways I just decided that for the price that it would cost to machine my 1G rods to fit properly, I'll just for sure pick up the eagle's now while I'm building her up instead of havin to tear apart later.

It's hard to get alot done in my shop at school because I only have one class...And we sit in it while he talks about shit for a good chunk or our time most days, but I'm going to stay longer then just our class today, and get her all apart. I'll post the conditon as well as some pics as soon as I can.

Local Machine Shop Quotes
Bore + Hone = 24$ per cylinder
Engine Balanced = 200$ (to the clutch)
Crank Micropolished = 40
Im not sure what it's gon run me to get the rods "spec'd" when they come in, it all depends on man hours.


Thanks

Wayne

 

[Lunch_Box]

Why would you want to use big rods for your stoker? You are going to be building that engine to make more horse power so why have the rods holdung you back?

 

[insanewayne]

Well, I'm on a base budget, I only have a certain amount of cash to get the engine up and running, so I was trying to save $ where I could, but after some thought, yes, I don't want to be held back by having to having to open her up again and throw in 300 rods. I'm just getting the engine running with eagle's and wiseco's, And then upgrade as the deals come when money permits.

I took some good shots of the block, crank, etc, but I'm away visiting the girlfriend right now, so i won't be able to post them till sunday.

Over all everything was in very nice shape, I'll be checkin out the main and rod journals with the micrometer on monday. Hoping the cranks within decent spec.

Few Q's for you quys who have done this or know. I called the two most highly reputable shops in my area, and neither of them had a torque plate for ANY 4 banger. I am hopin to be makin 500hp on this daily driver in a year from now, so I aint skimpin' out on nothing Unless it insanely expensive and not nessicary. So I want to get ahold of one, the shops I called said they doubt anyone in the area would have one, but a major city 100km's away has a bunch of shops I might try...but If I can't find one does anyone have any suggestions or insight?

Where is the cheapest place to find eagle/wiseco's....?

So far my machining list is as follows

Bore and hone 20 over (hopefully with torque plate)
Line hone mains
Full assembly balance
Micropolish crank
Rods spec'd and clearanced.
Balabce Shaft removal w/stubby shaft (doing myself)

If anyone think that there's something I should add to that, or if anything is overkill, lemme know. Dowel pin the block and main girdles?


Thanks

Wayne

 

[insanewayne]

Here's some pictures of my G4CS being torn down (I won't state what each picture is of, as that is fairly obvious.) I took a shot of the pistons for reference, or for the hell of it or something like that, I'll keep those 1g big rods for spares, or sell em if someone needs em. I should be mic'n the crank tomorow and checkin bores etc...I'll update when i get that done.

 

[insanewayne]

Looks like I'm going to have get the cylinders bored .015 over from what they are to get .020 over... and get the crank ground to use 0.010 over bearings....those are ruff measurements..but that's ok.

The money I was expecting looks like it might be less then what I expected..so this project might have to go on hold for a lil while...I'll Update when I find out.

 

[peregrine]

not to hijack this thread but i picked up my g4cs engine today. i live in reno and i drove to sac this morning to get it and had it stripped (complete motor) an hour after i got home i paid $450 for it but it looks like these are pretty rare in these parts and the motor only had 75000 miles on it and 180 compression across the board so it was healthy. crank turns as smooth as butter. im ordering eagle rods and wiseco slugs next week so hopefully ill have a built shortblock for santa to give me im getting pretty worked up about a 25% bigger motor to work with. should be fun.

 

[Lunch_Box]

not to hijack this thread but i picked up my g4cs engine today. i live in reno and i drove to sac this morning to get it and had it stripped (complete motor) an hour after i got home i paid $450 for it but it looks like these are pretty rare in these parts and the motor only had 75000 miles on it and 180 compression across the board so it was healthy. crank turns as smooth as butter. im ordering eagle rods and wiseco slugs next week so hopefully ill have a built shortblock for santa to give me im getting pretty worked up about a 25% bigger motor to work with. should be fun.

I bought my winter beater not too long ago a 89 2.4L sonota for $500 CAN. It's funny how I paid less for an entire car than you did for an engine.

 

[peregrine]

I bought my winter beater not too long ago a 89 2.4L sonota for $500 CAN. It's funny how I paid less for an entire car than you did for an engine.

yeah, hilarious

 

[insanewayne]

Actually it's 20% more, but yeh I'm stoked too, 75000 km's nice, but 450 is a lil high...I'm very happy with my shortblock for 50$...killer deal...If I were you i'd go get the crank and cylinders mic'd up by a machine shop before your order your wiseco's and eagle's..even with the low km's you could need to grind the crank .010 under or bore the cylinders .020 over, Like I'm going to, All depends on how the owner treated the vehicle, frequency of oil changes etc.

I won't know till november 3rd about my funds....I was supposed to get around 2 -3 k from a trust fund..but the guy just let the money sit there..so i'm lookin at 900$ now which is a piss off....But my mom said she might match whatever the amount is...so if she does....the project COULD go ahead as planned...Just gotta wait...I'll post when I find out.

Wayne

 

[Lunch_Box]

yeah, hilarious

Well it is if you were me.

 

[peregrine]

Well it is if you were me.

huh. your first statement was smug and not needed. when you can grow up why dont you add something productive to this thread instead of how much better you are than other people because you can ferret out better deals in canada. sorry about this guys. :thumbdown

 

[insanewayne]

Yeh...the first comment coud slide...but no need to rub in a better deal on someone...woop di doo...please lets not ruin my thread with a flame war...Thanks...

Wayne