16g turbo which one?

[mathew82284]

Ok i went to turbochargers.com and they have the complete 2g solution which seems like a good deal for 699 it comes with, Your Choice of Turbo (Mitsu 16G / Mitsu Big 16G / Mitsu Evo 3 Big 16g / GT Evo 3 Big 16G) Our GT ported manifold w/egt plug, GT 2G install kit

My main question is which turbo is good? They give you 5 choices i only want about 300-340 hp. Which is the best turbo of the choices? My car is stock what else do i need to make this kit work?

 

[DGajre777]

If your car is stock, you should be looking at a LOT of other things before looking at a turbo upgrade. A turbo should not be your first upgrade part.

Start with the tuning guide - http://www.dsmtuners.com/tuning-guide/2gturbo/

Which turbo you choose depends on your power goals. You will not be able to get anywhere near the max power levels of any 16G turbo with a stock 2G. The stock 2G bov leaks above 15psi, the exhaust is restrictive, you need fuel upgrades etc.

 

[mathew82284]

If your car is stock, you should be looking at a LOT of other things before looking at a turbo upgrade. A turbo should not be your first upgrade part.

Start with the tuning guide - http://www.dsmtuners.com/tuning-guide/2gturbo/

Which turbo you choose depends on your power goals. You will not be able to get anywhere near the max power levels of any 16G turbo with a stock 2G. The stock 2G bov leaks above 15psi, the exhaust is restrictive, you need fuel upgrades etc.

Thanks for the link, I have all the money ready and im going to start ordering all the parts so i can get that turbo kit on, Ive never used a boost control or bought one does this seem good? Or should i go with name brand?

http://cgi.ebay.com/TURBO-BOOST-CON...061297890QQcategoryZ33742QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

 

[diablos991]

I would spend the extra money and get a name brand. I would recommend doing alot of research before just buying a ton of parts. You would want to make sure that they will all work together and that you are getting your money's worth, and so that you know how to use them. This forum is loaded with tons of useful information. Just use the search bar and you will be suprised.

Good Luck.

P.S. You get what you pay for.

 

[1993eclipseGS]

I'm starting to wonder about all the ''cheap'' ''knock off'' parts anymore, And also on ebay. I myself have had bad expereince with them, But there are a couple people on here with the turbo kit for under a grand, That had no bad luck. My buddy just got one, Threw on the 800$ turbo kit (Including fmic and all), Tuned it with his free tuning system he downloaded from somewhere, And ran a 13.4 @ 108mph in his civic coupe with no weight reduction, Street tires, sparetire/jack/tools etc, And a 2.3 60ft. The car has been running very strong for awhile now!

 

[DGajre777]

For boost controller, I'd get Joe P or Hallman Pro. Go to www.boostcontroller.com, they have a lot of info on that site.

For differences in 16G turbos, go to www.forcedperformance.net or www.slowboyracing.com. Before you buy a turbo, you need to realize what your goals are. All 16Gs except the 16G GT are Mitsubishi Turbos (MHI = Mitsubishi Heavy Industries). The 16G GT turbo is a made in Taiwan (not china) turbo sold by turbochargers.com and a few other vendors. A few people have had their GT turbo fail on them, but MHI turbos are known to be reliable.

If you get the 16G or Big turbo, you'll need a 190 pump and 550cc injectors.

If you get the EVO III 16G turbo, you can get about 350HP, you can still use the 190 pump but to max out the turbo you'll need 660cc injectors, a FMIC and other things in the upgrade path I linked above.

Another option is the FP Big T28 with the 17psi actuator. Many people like this turbo because it is a fast spooling turbo and you don't need an install kit. But because of the price of this turbo, many people go with the EVO III 16G costs just the same with the install kit.

If you have any questions, search, and if you don't find anything after you search - ask.

 

[mathew82284]

For boost controller, I'd get Joe P or Hallman Pro. Go to www.boostcontroller.com, they have a lot of info on that site.

For differences in 16G turbos, go to www.forcedperformance.net or www.slowboyracing.com. Before you buy a turbo, you need to realize what your goals are. All 16Gs except the 16G GT are Mitsubishi Turbos (MHI = Mitsubishi Heavy Industries). The 16G GT turbo is a made in Taiwan (not china) turbo sold by turbochargers.com and a few other vendors. A few people have had their GT turbo fail on them, but MHI turbos are known to be reliable.

If you get the 16G or Big turbo, you'll need a 190 pump and 550cc injectors.

If you get the EVO III 16G turbo, you can get about 350HP, you can still use the 190 pump but to max out the turbo you'll need 660cc injectors, a FMIC and other things in the upgrade path I linked above.

Another option is the FP Big T28 with the 17psi actuator. Many people like this turbo because it is a fast spooling turbo and you don't need an install kit. But because of the price of this turbo, many people go with the EVO III 16G costs just the same with the install kit.

If you have any questions, search, and if you don't find anything after you search - ask.

Ok thanks for the info, Can i get the 255lph pump and the 660cc injectors just to be safe or is that a overkill? One thing i dont know much about tuning these cars in my mustang i just took it to a dyno and got it chiped, id like to do my own tuning or a maybe a chip that can be set with my mods, I have a laptop what else do i need? My car is a 97 gsx

 

[DGajre777]

Ok thanks for the info, Can i get the 255lph pump and the 660cc injectors just to be safe or is that a overkill? One thing i dont know much about tuning these cars in my mustang i just took it to a dyno and got it chiped, id like to do my own tuning or a maybe a chip that can be set with my mods, I have a laptop what else do i need? My car is a 97 gsx

For any 16G turbo, a 190 will flow enought fuel. If you get a 255 pump, you'll need to spend another $150-$200 to get an AFPR (adjustable fuel pressure regulator) to prevent fuel overrun with the 255. Stick with the 190pump.

As for chipping, you will need to get a 95 or earlier E-PROM ECU to accept a chip. The chip can be bought from www.dsmlink.com or www.dsmchips.com, both of them sell tuning software. You cannot chip a 98 DSM since you have a non-eprom ecu.

If you don't want to chip, a SAFC will be enough for tuning any 16G with a logger. A wideband or EGT is nice to have too.

 

[TrboANTsi]

I also would recommend a Joe P. boost controller, simple, cheap and reliable. As for the turbos i bought the EVO GT from turbochargers.com. I know everyone here was all bashing that turbo but i did my fair share of reading and searching. Yeah i might have taken a chance, but you know what so far it was a good one. Its been running pretty strong. Still tryin to get the tune right, but every tune i make im happier and happier. Plus it seemed the EVO Gt was the most bang for the buck, with the full port job, upgraded flapper. So i bought it, Good luck to you in your purchase!

 

[mathew82284]

For any 16G turbo, a 190 will flow enought fuel. If you get a 255 pump, you'll need to spend another $150-$200 to get an AFPR (adjustable fuel pressure regulator) to prevent fuel overrun with the 255. Stick with the 190pump.

As for chipping, you will need to get a 95 or earlier E-PROM ECU to accept a chip. The chip can be bought from www.dsmlink.com or www.dsmchips.com, both of them sell tuning software. You cannot chip a 98 DSM since you have a non-eprom ecu.

If you don't want to chip, a SAFC will be enough for tuning any 16G with a logger. A wideband or EGT is nice to have too.

So any ecu from a 90-95 will work? My car is a 97 not 98 does it have the same ecu? One more thing if i upgrade to the 16g, 190 fuel pump, 550cc injectors that means i have to upgrade ecu's and do a tune right? And which cpu is best for me i have a gsx all wheel drive that means i need a 90-95 all wheel drive right? Or will only the 95 work because its a 2g version?

 

[DGajre777]

So any ecu from a 90-95 will work? My car is a 97 not 98 does it have the same ecu? One more thing if i upgrade to the 16g, 190 fuel pump, 550cc injectors that means i have to upgrade ecu's and do a tune right? And which cpu is best for me i have a gsx all wheel drive that means i need a 90-95 all wheel drive right? Or will only the 95 work because its a 2g version?

If you upgrade to a 16G, 190 fuel pump and 550cc injectors you don't NEED to upgrade the ECU. You can get a piggyback fuel computer to adjust your fuel curve and compensate for bigger injectors. SAFC is a fuel computer made by APEX'i. Check the Parts catalog for vendors who sell it. The SAFC is enough for any 16G. You don't need to buy a EPROM ECU, you don't need to chip it either. Just keep the stock ECU and use a piggy back computer. You WILL need a logger which can be bought from www.pocketlogger.com or www.dsmloggers.com. The logger is to see if you are knocking since you can't see "knock" on the 2G ECU.

To answer the question about EPROM. All 1995 and earlier ECUs were EPROM. Since you are a 2G, you will need to get a 1995 EProm ECU if you decide to get your ECU chipped.

The information below is from www.dsmlink.com.

- How does DSMLink work and what are the basic components?

Basically, we take your factory EPROM ECU, socket the chip, and reprogram it. Our laptop software then talks to this ECU through the standard diagnostic port located under your dash using our provided cable. We do not use the factory protocol, though. We have our own communication scheme entirely. The factory interface simply does not provide any of the features of DSMLink. So the basic components are an EPROM chip, a cable, and some laptop software. The 1G version also includes an add-on memory board. The adapter cable included with DSMLink is specially made for this application and incorporates features not found in other adapters.

- What does "socket the chip" mean?

In order to replace the factory EPROM with our own, we have to desolder the existing chip and install a "socket". A socket allows you to more easily replace a chip on a circuit board. You can basically pull a chip out of a socket and insert a new one without having to deal with any de/soldering issues. Installing a socket is a service we offer with the purchase of DSMLink. If your ECU has already been reprogrammed by someone else, or if you're handy with a soldering iron and install your own socket, then we offer a discount on the full purchase price. This isn't a process that we recommend doing on your own, though, if you are not really familiar with electronics. If you have to wonder whether you can do it or not, then don't.

- What are the requirements for running DSMLink in my car?

You need a turbo model DSM with an EPROM ECU. In addition, of course, you need a laptop with a serial port (RS232, DB9 port), running at least Windows 98. If your laptop doesn't have a serial port, see here. For a full description of what's involved, check here.

NOTE: Many versions of Windows 95 seem to cause problems. We have at least one user running fine with '95, but three other installs have failed. It seems there are more versions of '95 that fail than work...your mileage may vary.

- Do I always have to have the laptop in the car?

No, the laptop is only used to make changes to your ECU's configuration or to datalog. The ECU will automatically remember the changes you've made. With the current 2G offering these changes will, however, be lost if battery power to the ECU is lost. If you remove the battery or the battery dies, the ECU will revert to its set of predefined chip defaults you selected at the time of ordering. The memory module provides for persistent retention of data, but this is currently only available in the 1G offering.

- How can I use the 2G version of DSMLink in my '96+ model DSM?

Unfortunately, you'll have to locate a '95 EPROM ECU somewhere. They do show up on various parts traders from time to time and there are junkyards online that sell 'em too. Expect to pay about $150-$300 for one. Several of our users have reported good finds on http://car-part.com/, not to be confused with www.carparts.com.

- How can I tell if I have an EPROM ECU in my car?

Well, first, the only 2G DSMs with EPROM ECUs from the factory are the '95 models. We have seen a few '95 ECUs without EPROMs, but it's very unusual. You can be sure that if you have a '96+ model, you do not have an EPROM from the factory. To check your '95 ECU for an EPROM, go here.

1G ECUs are a little more difficult in that parts seem to have been swapped around in a number of 1G ECUs we've seen. Some have the original case and part numbers, some don't. To check for sure, you'll need to open up the case and have a look. See here for a description.

http://www.dsmlink.com/faq.html#latemodel

More EPROM ECU info can be found here - http://www.dsmlink.com/faq-eprom.html

 

[mathew82284]

Ok i just wanted to say thanks to all the nice people on here willing to help out, This forum is a great place, Thanks to everyone. I have one more question, I want to get exhaust for my car but i dont want any sound i want it to stay quite like it is, What catback system will work for me? Or should i just go to the muffler shop and have them through on a 2.5 inch pipe and be done with it?

 

[DGajre777]

I have the Apex'i N1 and it is loud. I don't really know of any quiet exhaust systems.

 

[mathew82284]

I have the Apex'i N1 and it is loud. I don't really know of any quiet exhaust systems.

Is it possible to still use the stock muffler or do i have to change it out because it would be to restrictive?

 

[DGajre777]

Is it possible to still use the stock muffler or do i have to change it out because it would be to restrictive?

It is restrictive. Look at Apex'i WS.

http://www.extremepsi.com/store/customer/product.php?productid=17462&cat=608&page=1

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The World Sport concept is A'PEX's interpretation of how each vehicle's exhaust system should have looked and performed right from the factory. Designed with the daily driver in mind, this exhaust series focuses on drawing out mid-range torque and engine response for optimal drivability on the street. The styling is subtle and elegant, but still retains characteristics of its racing origin. The result is an affordable cat-back exhaust system that makes the daily commute more enjoyable.

Part Number: APX-115-KM01
Model: Eclipse GSX 1995-1999
Desc: Cat-Back Exhaust
Type: WS-2
Piping Diameter : 80-85mm
Exhaust Tip Diameter : 100mm

 

[Ultimatedsm]

I noticed all these questions would of been answered if you looked at the dsmtuners upgrade guide.