150 shot too big???

[Slippi84]

The Nano system by Fuller (spelling) can't remember but it sounds awsome!!!!

I'm very interested in the safc2 and the howell af/x. Do you have a link? or more info on it?

Thanks in advance!!!

Sorry I didn't mean to get your hopes up but howell af/x ecu is a NA thing. Trust me I wisah they had something like this when I had my tsi too but now it's the other end of the spectrum for me no trubo and no awd oh well.

Anyway all the af/x ecu does is take the place of say a pretuned key driver chip with advanced timing maps and a raised rev limit and it actually adapts to your setup don't ask me how I'm still trying to figure that outmyself. My bigg worry is that I knwo a safc advances timing when you try to take away fuel because it puts the car in a more agreesive timing map but what affect does it have when adding fuel? If it doesn't advance then I would use a safc to add fuel when boosting up top and let the ecu add the timing instead of using something like msd dis-2 to pull it.

 

[Slippi84]

What if you don't have dsmlink to pull timing? What can you do with an safc or no management?
I ask because I ran into someone that is running a dry shot on a bone stock car.

A small dry shot on a stock engine wouldn't require any kind of tuning to run properly but by small I mean 50shot max I have seen as large as a 75 dry shot but would advise against it.

 

[rrussell]

My bigg worry is that I knwo a safc advances timing when you try to take away fuel because it puts the car in a more agreesive timing map but what affect does it have when adding fuel? If it doesn't advance then I would use a safc to add fuel when boosting up top and let the ecu add the timing instead of using something like msd dis-2 to pull it.

Very good point!!!

This is something that has been a major problem with my setup. Still working on a way to make this work better.

Right now I'm running negative numbers on my high safc II map. Its a pain in the butt.

 

[Slippi84]

Very good point!!!

This is something that has been a major problem with my setup. Still working on a way to make this work better.

Right now I'm running negative numbers on my high safc II map. Its a pain in the butt.

Yeah neggative meaning you taking a away fuel which would cause timing advance how much woudl determine on how much your taking away at like -10 it starts to be a struggle to get a good tune. For a tubro car where they don't have knock to begin with it's not as bad. For a car with nitrous to much timing can be a little more serious reallll fast.

 

[rrussell]

Yeah neggative meaning you taking a away fuel which would cause timing advance how much woudl determine on how much your taking away at like -10 it starts to be a struggle to get a good tune. For a tubro car where they don't have knock to begin with it's not as bad. For a car with nitrous to much timing can be a little more serious reallll fast.

I agree, going by memory I think I am at -17's from 4000rpm to 7200rpm. This is where my log system came in handy.

I'm in LA California right now for work and won't be home until Friday.

My new plans are to run 1200 cc/min injectors and convert to E85. Then I will run straight meth injection without the water. So it will become just a fuel adder.

I will then see what the logs show for intake temps and go from there. If they aren't to my liking I will install a air to water inter-cooler.

Ya Hoo more $$$$

 

[Slippi84]

I agree, going by memory I think I am at -17's from 4000rpm to 7200rpm. This is where my log system came in handy.

I'm in LA California right now for work and won't be home until Friday.

My new plans are to run 1200 cc/min injectors and convert to E85. Then I will run straight meth injection without the water. So it will become just a fuel adder.

I will then see what the logs show for intake temps and go from there. If they aren't to my liking I will install a air to water inter-cooler.

Ya Hoo more $$$$

Yeah it's hard to tune cause you have so many variables that you have to account for but you are safer when everything is running right then the guy without all those extras.

 

[rhamlinii]

Your present car is the one I was asking about.

Your new setup is like what I ran on my VW N/A car.

I had a single wet and a direct port.

The nitrous direct port system had its own fuel cell and low pressure Holley pump that was ran to a dead-head Holley regulator. The single nozzle ran off the efi's pump high pressure fuel system.

The idea of a low pressure system is so I could run a 80shot on the direct port with bigger fuel jets. I ran it at 8psi fuel pressure with .021 nitrous jets and .018 fuel jets flowing at 8psi fuel pressure.

My reasoning other then its the same way my 9.14@152 Camaro is setup is that any fuel jet smaller then a .018 has more of a chance of clogging up. Plus it gave me a way to add fuel to the engine by making minor pressure adjustments to the Holley fuel regulator using a nitrous fuel flow tool. Plus pulling fuel off the rail like I'm running now concerns me if it might be messing with fuel rail distribution pressure?

So the direct port would run anywhere from a nitrous to fuel ratio of 5.0:1 to 5.8:1 depending on fuel type and plug readings that day.

The other thing by using a low pressure dead head style system is the fuel pressure will spike to about 16psi before activation then drop to 8psi once activated. This acts like a throttle accelerator pump function on a efi system. It would take the hard hit away from the direct port.

Enough rambling Off to work I go.

Haha, it's so funny how the old racers still influence the next generation. There is an older guy around here that's been racing for years. All it took was a simple conversation and hours of constant follow up talks. My fuel system is a "returnless" fuel system for that reason, to avoid that rich condition because that can and will foul the plugs and blow the pass and in some cases the motor. I'd never ran the dead head system, but in nitrous parts alone if you're looking at value. I'm at about 3000.00 total including dsmlink. However everyone knows you can only have two out of the three(FAST, CHEAP, SAFE). I'm curious about how your running your meth/water injection. If it's really as efficent as you say, i'd love to take the front mount off my car. I'm only running it because I refuse to put together an air-to-water setup, for a 14b. If i could get away with the stock smic and the meth, i'll be happy as the car would look more like a "stock" car like yours.

 

[Slippi84]

Haha, it's so funny how the old racers still influence the next generation. There is an older guy around here that's been racing for years. All it took was a simple conversation and hours of constant follow up talks. My fuel system is a "returnless" fuel system for that reason, to avoid that rich condition because that can and will foul the plugs and blow the pass and in some cases the motor. I'd never ran the dead head system, but in nitrous parts alone if you're looking at value. I'm at about 3000.00 total including dsmlink. However everyone knows you can only have two out of the three(FAST, CHEAP, SAFE). I'm curious about how your running your meth/water injection. If it's really as efficent as you say, i'd love to take the front mount off my car. I'm only running it because I refuse to put together an air-to-water setup, for a 14b. If i could get away with the stock smic and the meth, i'll be happy as the car would look more like a "stock" car like yours.

Yeah suprising to me is that as long as my car performs as it should it will have cost me less to go fast with my NA then my turbo go figure. Of course this is mainly because my built engine including P&P head only cost me 1300 all together

 

[rrussell]

Haha, it's so funny how the old racers still influence the next generation. There is an older guy around here that's been racing for years. All it took was a simple conversation and hours of constant follow up talks. My fuel system is a "returnless" fuel system for that reason, to avoid that rich condition because that can and will foul the plugs and blow the pass and in some cases the motor. I'd never ran the dead head system, but in nitrous parts alone if you're looking at value. I'm at about 3000.00 total including dsmlink. However everyone knows you can only have two out of the three(FAST, CHEAP, SAFE). I'm curious about how your running your meth/water injection. If it's really as efficent as you say, i'd love to take the front mount off my car. I'm only running it because I refuse to put together an air-to-water setup, for a 14b. If i could get away with the stock smic and the meth, i'll be happy as the car would look more like a "stock" car like yours.

I've been very pleased with my system. Off the bottle the car only runs 12.6@106mph at 18psi. With the nitrous at 18 psi running a 75shot it will run 119mph every pass. ET will very based on traction.

I know the car will go low 11's the way it sits with more boost and better traction.
With a direct port 100 shot I would think high 10's with ease.

How far will it go I'm not sure

 

[rhamlinii]

I've been very pleased with my system. Off the bottle the car only runs 12.6@106mph at 18psi. With the nitrous at 18 psi running a 75shot it will run 119mph every pass. ET will very based on traction.

I know the car will go low 11's the way it sits with more boost and better traction.
With a direct port 100 shot I would think high 10's with ease.

How far will it go I'm not sure

How mush does boost does yours spike to, and what exhaust mods and boost controller do you have, sir?