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I didn't waste my money to dyno a car that has less HP than a Mustang. It's only a 100 HP gain. If you get the engine REBUILT with all PERFORMANCE parts by a MECHANIC YOU KNOW WELL, it is easily done. Keep in mind that an S2000 is a 250 HP 4 banger that is naturally aspirated.
 
ummm why dont you all just calm down and get along... if you dont believe each other then just keep it to your self and let the rest of us enjoy the site



(no i'm not #@%#@%#@%, i just believe in difference of opinions)
 
"only a 100hp gain" ??? i think i'm with 420aVenger on this one. Heads, cam, and intake (manifold) on a 5.0 mustang will get you about 300hp. Thats about $2200 just for parts which is about a 75hp gain AND that motor is 3.2 liters bigger than a 1.8.
 
Dude this is a DISCUSSION. I think we are getting along fine. Both in a mature manner and all. Anyways you didn't waste your money on a dyno??? You supposedly take a car w/ roughly 110 HP and add well over 100% MORE power to it for only $2500? To put it in perspective the last Dyno I saw by a guy running 15psi on the 420a made 260ish WHP. BTW I'm talking strictly WHEEL HP. To the ground. Now w/ out a dyno run you are COMPLETELY, TOTALLY, 100% GUESSING on how much power you made. You can not say that you had 250 hp because you have NO PROOF. You can guess all you want and say that your CAI gave you the advertised 15 HP ut that means jack. Now if you want to correct yourself and say "I'm taking a wild guess that my car made around 250HP then fine. But if not then your statement is not true. If you can't prove something then obviously it's not a fact.
 
These cars start with 140 Hp, first of all. Secondly a Mustang gets 300 HP from those upgrades because it's a 5.0 V8, not a 2.0 4 banger. My brother had a 92 GT with well over 400 HP, and he barely spent over $2000. I only wish these cars were that cheap and easy to upgrade.
 
Thats's exactly what I'm saying; a mustang already burns way more fuel/air than a 2.0L and adding hi po mods will produce more power than the same mods on a 2.0 (N/A)! Go put your cars on the dyno, you'll be very surprised at what you find. Over 400hp for under $2000 (on a stang), no way dude! Unless he stole most of his parts.
 
Flowmaster American Thunder mufflers ($100), Off-road H-Pipes($125), Edelbrock Equal Length Headers($125), GT-40 Intake Manifold(? already on the car. Seen for around $400), 75 mm Mas Air Meter($100), 75 mm Throttle Body($150), 40 Lb. fuel injectors and high flow rail($200), Underdrive Pulleys($100), oversized Cam ($200), K&N air intake($125). He had a dyno on it, and I believe the number came out to 436. It was within 5 or ten of that.

Now for those claimed HP's. They aren't completely BS. When you buy a catback that says 20 HP gain, and you put it on a completely stock car, you'll be lucky to get half that. However, when you throw in a downpipe, header, intake manifold, throttle body, and CAI, you will see that twenty HP. And you'll get the claimed numbers from the rest of those parts. HP depends on how well air flows through your car. If you buy a header and nothing esle, it really won't flow that much more air, because it still receives the same amount from the Intake. However when you start from the beginning, and go through to the end, you now have maximum air flow, and all your parts are working at 100% efficiency. A turbo works the same way, just a turbo is only going to add so much power. If you buy just a turbo, you may get 70 HP. If you buy just everything else, and then the turbo, you'll see at least a 100 HP gain from the turbo, because everything is now running at maximum efficiency.

I realize this was a little long, but hopefully you'll understand how easy you can 100 Hp from this car. And my mechanic is a certified Mitsubishi mechanic, I think I'll take his word on my HP gain. Especially since i raced my brother's 2001 Mustang GT and kept up with him quite weel.
 
Dude I don't know if you are just skipping MY posts or what. I think I've said WHEEL HORSEPOWER in every reply I've made. Our cars have 140HP AT THE CRANK. I have said multiple times WHEEL horsepower. You really need to take your cars to a DYNO. You'd be very unpleasantly surprised. Now just so I get reasurrance that you actually read my replies. Will you please acknowledge the fact that you know the difference between flywheel and wheel horsepower. And BTW we are not talking about mustangs here. They have 2.5 times the displacement. Any mod is going to have a lot more impact just because of that fact.
 
FYI all Mitsubishi motors from that year are Chrysler. So, technically a Mitsubishi tek and a Chrysler tek would do an equally good job. I have no idea where the Mustangs came from, but comparing performance parts for an Eclipse to a Mustang is like comparing a Taurus to an S Class. Anyway if you were reading my threads, you would clearly have noticed on my original that I had a 95 RS. I sold it a year and a half ago and bought my Spyder, which is pissing me off because it's impossible to find parts for it. However I know that a front wheel drive doesn't lose that much HP. My numbers are BHP. To the wheels I would guess a loss of 20 to 30 HP. This is from the Integra Type R. 200 BHP, 185 WHP.
 
So a 95 GST has a Chrysler motor? I don't think so...Anyways you say 20-30 horsepower from your horsepower numbers and this and that. But my whole point here is YOU HAVE NO NUMBERS. You have NO stock dyno numbers and NO numbers from after the mods. NO engine dyno numbers or NO chassis dyno numbers. You have NOTHING. You can't prove any of it so you can't say that you had it. Guessing doesn't count.
 
The numbers I have are from me going to a mechanic and saying "How much will it cost me to get $250 HP." And him then replying give me a couple of days to make some phone calls. After which he called me up and said I can do it for $2500. If you are calling my mechanic a liar, that is fine, however I trust him and believe him. He called some performance shops and asked how easy it was to get 250 HP. They told him, and then told him how much it would cost. If there is a string of liars in this event, then that may be. However I don't think a 170 or 180 HP Eclipse can keep up with a 265 HP Mustang, which like my car, is a five speed. If you would like to call me a liar too, that's also fine.But, I don't lie. I'll be the first to admit that I get my ass kicked by some pick up trucks in my Spyder. In fact, unless I'm racing on a curve, I lose quite a few races.
 
No I'm not calling you a liar cause you obviously aren't lying. You really think you had that much power. I'd lean towards guilible. The mechanic told you that you have 250hp now and you believed him. He has no proof either unless he dynoed it. Obviously he didn't cause you already said that. So once again. You may not be "lying" but you have no proof so it is not a fact that you had 250hp. You can speculate and guess all you want but you can never prove it. That is ALL I'm saying.
 
this makes me sick. the bottom line of this whole discussion is this spider guy most likely doesnt have 250 hp. we all know this. let him think he does. and to let you guys know there is a dyno shop in town here that is devoted to eclipses. it holds the fastest non-turbo eclipse in california which can be seen at www.turbogs.com wyatt has tested an eclipse non turbo stock on the dyno and it came out around 110 hp at the wheels. the 140 from the factory is optimistic and is calculated at the flywheel. i cant imagine this guy getting an additional 140 hp for 2500 bucks. I doubt he has 250 at the flywheel. let him think what he wants though
 
avenger dude you need to chill out man. dont be mad cuz u got stuck with a crappy 420a instead of the good 4g63 wether turbo or not. that engine kicks ass. the limits are none. you find the right person that engine will be flyin over 300 na. in case anyone knows how did they ever decide wich motor went in wich car. cuz i have the 4g63.
 
jays92talon: hmmm, the typical ignorant reply from the 4G63 guy. The only reason the 4G63 is "better" is because it has a turbo from the factory and it's a lot easier to upgrade. Now the other reason that your reply is ignorant is because we are both talking about the 420a. And the car he has now has a 4G64. So why exactly did you stick your irrelevant 4G63 comment in here?

Blitzed95Eclips: so if I made a post that I had an 12 second Avenger but I didn't have times slips or anything, do you think people would flame me or just say cool and ignore it? We both already know the answer to that. Why exactly does it, "make you sick" BTW?
 
it just kinda pisses me off to see people arguing over some dude who claims to have 250 hp when we know he doesnt. and he has no proof. just a waste of time.
 
Just so you guys know, I live in Schaumburg, where there are all sorts of highly modified imports. I know of at least five NA that have over 250 HP. I know one of them has over 300 HP. It is really easy to get those numbers from these cars, and if you know the right people, you can do it for a reasonable price. If he really can beat a five speed Mustang GT, then he probably had that much power.
 
guess whos back, its the other built 420a motor guy who evryone doubts. Everyone already knows what i am doing to my motor from the very bottom to the top and every part in between is being tuned, machined and replaced with parts to increase power handling, air flow and strength. I am doing every maching process you can to the block, crank, and the head, including labor, the maching and parts i am paying way less than $2500. So without dissing and doubting me and the 97 spyder do some research and dont pay so much for your parts and labor. Another thing dont come back to me saying well you must have a sucky mechanic to pay that little in labor. Paying lots of money for labor and parts doesnt ensure getting good parts or labor. This isnt a bash, just do the research and stop paying so much for parts, you can build the 420a for not alot of money if its done right. Express your opinion about something said in a business like manner, not all this bashing crap. If someone sounds way off, express yourself but not in a argumentative manner, this just causes problems between fellow dsmers.
 
Originally posted by SpyderNT
Flowmaster American Thunder mufflers ($100), Off-road H-Pipes($125), Edelbrock Equal Length Headers($125), GT-40 Intake Manifold(? already on the car. Seen for around $400), 75 mm Mas Air Meter($100), 75 mm Throttle Body($150), 40 Lb. fuel injectors and high flow rail($200), Underdrive Pulleys($100), oversized Cam ($200), K&N air intake($125). He had a dyno on it, and I believe the number came out to 436. It was within 5 or ten of that.

Now for those claimed HP's. They aren't completely BS. When you buy a catback that says 20 HP gain, and you put it on a completely stock car, you'll be lucky to get half that. However, when you throw in a downpipe, header, intake manifold, throttle body, and CAI, you will see that twenty HP. And you'll get the claimed numbers from the rest of those parts. HP depends on how well air flows through your car. If you buy a header and nothing esle, it really won't flow that much more air, because it still receives the same amount from the Intake. However when you start from the beginning, and go through to the end, you now have maximum air flow, and all your parts are working at 100% efficiency. A turbo works the same way, just a turbo is only going to add so much power. If you buy just a turbo, you may get 70 HP. If you buy just everything else, and then the turbo, you'll see at least a 100 HP gain from the turbo, because everything is now running at maximum efficiency.

I realize this was a little long, but hopefully you'll understand how easy you can 100 Hp from this car. And my mechanic is a certified Mitsubishi mechanic, I think I'll take his word on my HP gain. Especially since i raced my brother's 2001 Mustang GT and kept up with him quite weel.
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dude you are so full of #@%#@%#@%#@%! there is no way a mustang with those parts will make 436 hp....my car with a lot more than 2K in it makes 350 rwhp which is only 400 hp

oh yeah and there is no way you car is making 250 rwhp N/a....
 
Originally posted by LASERLX


yeah right :rolleyes:
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actually do some research before you open ur mouth.. my brother bought the 600hp cleveland for $3680 brand spankin new..i'll have the receipt scanned by a friend if you don't believe me.. he has an 8 second mustang with nos and the works.... he has been tuning this car for close to 6 years and the opportunity in a mustang is endless.. but this is all besides the point.. this is dsmtuners.com not mustang monthly magazine and it's not bash others hour either.. if i am not mistaken this site was created to talk about your DSM!!! help each other out and be helpful don't rip somebody apart
 
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