what maf evo8 or evo 10 on a 1g

[yoscoobie]

In a 1g...is there an advantage of using an evo 10 maf over an evo 8 maf??

 

[bastarddsm]

Can't use a 10 maf as it's a 0-5v output not frequency like a dsm maf.

 

[lasershark]

In a 1g...is there an advantage of using an evo 10 maf over an evo 8 maf??

The only advantage is that it can meter more air and is a bit less restrictive in comparison to a stock 1g air can. To use this setup it is recommended that you have a tuning solution I.E. ecmlink. The evo8/9 will meter air differently. With a 2g maf in 1g combo it equates to roughly 550cc injectors so evo 8/9 would equate roughly to 650cc.

Keep in mind it is not recommended that you just throw the injectors and maf on and go as the evo maf will alter the timing table and since 1g's have an aggressive timing curve from the factory; the evo maf will in turn make the already aggressive timing table more aggressive (IE more timing on the curve). This is where ecmlink will come into play.

By looking at your profile it appears that you don't have ecmlink... That should be your next mod/upgrade if you plan on making more power and continuing to enjoy these little beasts. It is well worth the investment...

 

[yoscoobie]

The only advantage is that it can meter more air and is a bit less restrictive in comparison to a stock 1g air can. To use this setup it is recommended that you have a tuning solution I.E. ecmlink. The evo8/9 will meter air differently. With a 2g maf in 1g combo it equates to roughly 550cc injectors so evo 8/9 would equate roughly to 650cc.

Keep in mind it is not recommended that you just throw the injectors and maf on and go as the evo maf will alter the timing table and since 1g's have an aggressive timing curve from the factory; the evo maf will in turn make the already aggressive timing table more aggressive (IE more timing on the curve). This is where ecmlink will come into play.

By looking at your profile it appears that you don't have ecmlink... That should be your next mod/upgrade if you plan on making more power and continuing to enjoy these little beasts. It is well worth the investment...

ok thanks, I have ordered the evo 8 maf.....I also got evo injectors... i was considering link, i was just hoping i could get away without it, i havent used DSM link but it seems like quite a lot to deal with, is getting link running very time consuming?

 

[1SloEvo]

No. When you order it (or if you buy used), you can reset everything to factory settings and then just select the Evo MAF on the drop down menu. It will start up and run fine on stock injectors.

 

[bastarddsm]

If you just want to set it and forget it, maybe a chip is for you. I can burn one if you like. send me a PM.

 

[lasershark]

ok thanks, I have ordered the evo 8 maf.....I also got evo injectors... i was considering link, i was just hoping i could get away without it, i havent used DSM link but it seems like quite a lot to deal with, is getting link running very time consuming?

I was in the same boat when I started "DSM'n"... If you watch the videos and have all the correct supporting mods, IE wideband/boost gauge, you should be able to get a pretty good and safe base tune done the same day without too much hassle.

If you know you are going to be running evo8 maf/injectors you can enter than in your purchase via the ecmlink website and that aspect will already be pre-progrommed... and basically ready to roll. (Fine tuning can be done at a later time to maximize potential)

With the evo8 maf and 560cc injectors you will run lean without a way of compensating for the maf. Stop considering link... Get it, Learn it, Love it!!!

 

[yoscoobie]

I was in the same boat when I started "DSM'n"... If you watch the videos and have all the correct supporting mods, IE wideband/boost gauge, you should be able to get a pretty good and safe base tune done the same day without too much hassle.

If you know you are going to be running evo8 maf/injectors you can enter than in your purchase via the ecmlink website and that aspect will already be pre-progrommed... and basically ready to roll. (Fine tuning can be done at a later time to maximize potential)

With the evo8 maf and 560cc injectors you will run lean without a way of compensating for the maf. Stop considering link... Get it, Learn it, Love it!!!

Ok i see, I just was wondering about another thing, dont some guys get a socketed ecu and get a chip to install with parameters on the chip to make your car run??

 

[yoscoobie]

If you just want to set it and forget it, maybe a chip is for you. I can burn one if you like. send me a PM.

i think that is more for me , I dont really spend too much time on tuning, Im still unsure tho, what does it cost?

 

[bastarddsm]

It greatly depends on what features you want. But if you just want the most cost effective way to run it with the evo8 maf and 650's, and have very little trouble a chip is for you.

 

[bastarddsm]

Ok i see, I just was wondering about another thing, dont some guys get a socketed ecu and get a chip to install with parameters on the chip to make your car run??

Yes, but it has sort of fallen out of style. Everyone pushes people to spend $500 on link for a mostly stock car. If your planning on staying on smaller stock frame turbo's and are not chasing records, I don't think that's a wise way to spend your money. Take that $500, and instead have a chip burned for $50-200. Now you take the $3-400 you had left and buy some cams, or a 16g. If the guy does his job with the chip you should have some room left to "turn it up", and your car is faster than if you just bought ecmlink.

Now on the otherhand if you are going to want to tweak it all the time, and plan on moving beyond a 16g/20g/50trim, then yes I think ecmlink or something else is a wise choice.

I run my 650+whp talon on basically a chip. It's technically a moates ostrich, but it functions just like a chip, and it used the same programming, only I don't have to pull it out to change the tune. Choosing to run a chip over ecmlink, clearly does not limit you, and in some cases it is even more flexible than other ecm systems. For one, I doubt that I could control my VGT with any other ecu system, as I can't go in and add new maps for things. That's a pretty advanced topic, however.

I also run my beater GGSX on a real chip. It's awesome, but sometimes I wish I had an ostrich or link in it so I could fool with the tune at the track. However, thats kind of a good thing because you can really focus on driving at the track instead of spending all your time screwing with the tune.

 

[yoscoobie]

Yes, but it has sort of fallen out of style. Everyone pushes people to spend $500 on link for a mostly stock car. If your planning on staying on smaller stock frame turbo's and are not chasing records, I don't think that's a wise way to spend your money. Take that $500, and instead have a chip burned for $50-200. Now you take the $3-400 you had left and buy some cams, or a 16g. If the guy does his job with the chip you should have some room left to "turn it up", and your car is faster than if you just bought ecmlink.

Now on the otherhand if you are going to want to tweak it all the time, and plan on moving beyond a 16g/20g/50trim, then yes I think ecmlink or something else is a wise choice.

I run my 650+whp talon on basically a chip. It's technically a moates ostrich, but it functions just like a chip, and it used the same programming, only I don't have to pull it out to change the tune. Choosing to run a chip over ecmlink, clearly does not limit you, and in some cases it is even more flexible than other ecm systems. For one, I doubt that I could control my VGT with any other ecu system, as I can't go in and add new maps for things. That's a pretty advanced topic, however.

I also run my beater GGSX on a real chip. It's awesome, but sometimes I wish I had an ostrich or link in it so I could fool with the tune at the track. However, thats kind of a good thing because you can really focus on driving at the track instead of spending all your time screwing with the tune.

yea for me I think the chip is the way to go, I only use the vehicle a handful of times through out the year, I DO NOT WANT TO be playing with tune, So where do I go for this service?

 

[yoscoobie]

The only advantage is that it can meter more air and is a bit less restrictive in comparison to a stock 1g air can. To use this setup it is recommended that you have a tuning solution I.E. ecmlink. The evo8/9 will meter air differently. With a 2g maf in 1g combo it equates to roughly 550cc injectors so evo 8/9 would equate roughly to 650cc.

Keep in mind it is not recommended that you just throw the injectors and maf on and go as the evo maf will alter the timing table and since 1g's have an aggressive timing curve from the factory; the evo maf will in turn make the already aggressive timing table more aggressive (IE more timing on the curve). This is where ecmlink will come into play.

By looking at your profile it appears that you don't have ecmlink... That should be your next mod/upgrade if you plan on making more power and continuing to enjoy these little beasts. It is well worth the investment...

i do have a 2g maf and plug, should i just use my 2g maf and evo injectors? will I still need to tune it with that?

 

[bastarddsm]

Send me a PM. I can get you squared away. I was going to offer to come up and burn a chip and check your car over, but then I saw the map wowee your up north ! I live right off 39, but 70mi south of the border.

 

[bastarddsm]

A 2G maf and a set of Evo 560's counter act each other pretty well, the 2g maff outputs about 20% less than stock, and the 560's flow about 20% more than stock. Guys ran that setup for a long time back in the day. You could pick up an AFC for $1-200 and make it run very very well like that. However you will still be responsible for the tune, and it will suffer from the extra timing advance modifying the air flow signal incurs.

I'm not sure how the evo8 maf reads, I haven't played with one in a while. But I think it reads a little less than a 2g, so a lot less than a 1g maf.

Eitherway it would be best to ditch the 1g maf, as it's measurement technique isn't as robust as the 2g/evo. The 2g/evo also has much less inlet restriction than a 1g maf.

Funny story, I'm actually working with a masters student in my lab on examining the stability of karman vorticies, and actually using a 2g maf for some physical experiments. Our end goal is 2 fold 1. Determine if palabos a lattace boltzman CFD software is good enough for this type of work (masters kid thesis), and 2. Determine if karman vortex method can work for a blow throw setup. (my interest) I don't think it would work with a 1g maf, as it uses an ultrasonic technique to count the vorticies, but a 2g/evo maf uses a DP sensor, so I think it would work!

 

[yoscoobie]

A 2G maf and a set of Evo 560's counter act each other pretty well, the 2g maff outputs about 20% less than stock, and the 560's flow about 20% more than stock. Guys ran that setup for a long time back in the day. You could pick up an AFC for $1-200 and make it run very very well like that. However you will still be responsible for the tune, and it will suffer from the extra timing advance modifying the air flow signal incurs.

I'm not sure how the evo8 maf reads, I haven't played with one in a while. But I think it reads a little less than a 2g, so a lot less than a 1g maf.

Eitherway it would be best to ditch the 1g maf, as it's measurement technique isn't as robust as the 2g/evo. The 2g/evo also has much less inlet restriction than a 1g maf.

Funny story, I'm actually working with a masters student in my lab on examining the stability of karman vorticies, and actually using a 2g maf for some physical experiments. Our end goal is 2 fold 1. Determine if palabos a lattace boltzman CFD software is good enough for this type of work (masters kid thesis), and 2. Determine if karman vortex method can work for a blow throw setup. (my interest) I don't think it would work with a 1g maf, as it uses an ultrasonic technique to count the vorticies, but a 2g/evo maf uses a DP sensor, so I think it would work!

cool work, so you are an engineer?yes I am up north but I went and dug my old ecu out ant took some pics of it. I got a new one from rock auto because the old one was shit, It didnt run the vehicle anymore, it was like the function was so ''depressed'' I just got a new one and kept the old one thinking i could get it fixed and socketed

 

[bastarddsm]

yes, I am a Phd candidate at Southern Illinois University.

Is your new ECU an eprom? Is the old one?

 

[lasershark]

A 2G maf and a set of Evo 560's counter act each other pretty well, the 2g maff outputs about 20% less than stock, and the 560's flow about 20% more than stock. Guys ran that setup for a long time back in the day.

^^^ What he said ; This combo has kind of a standard back in the day.

and @bastarddsm I always had a feeling your ramblings had some wisdom behind them
Good luck on the PHD Doctor Bastard

 

[yoscoobie]

yes, I am a Phd candidate at Southern Illinois University.

Is your new ECU an eprom? Is the old one?

did you get my pm? also I put some pics of the old ecu at the bottom of this thread, as far as the new ecu having a eeprom chip idk, i will look, my dsm is in storage and i will have to get over there, I just had shoulder surgery so it may be a month or so

 

[yoscoobie]

yes, I am a Phd candidate at Southern Illinois University.

Is your new ECU an eprom? Is the old one?

btw thanks for the info, it is good to have help from a professional, and it is great you have such a good education, it is truly inspirational.

 

[94awdcoupe]

A 2G maf and a set of Evo 560's counter act each other pretty well, the 2g maff outputs about 20% less than stock, and the 560's flow about 20% more than stock. Guys ran that setup for a long time back in the day.

although is doesnt apply here for 1g car, the 2g ecu had a similar super simple fuel combo. had a friend here with 99gst. we made 335whp dynojet on evo 8 maf and denso 720 injectors. I was shocked at how perfect the a/f numbers were.

 

[bastarddsm]

did you get my pm? also I put some pics of the old ecu at the bottom of this thread, as far as the new ecu having a eeprom chip idk, i will look, my dsm is in storage and i will have to get over there, I just had shoulder surgery so it may be a month or so

Yes, been kinda busy. will reply. That ecu is not an eprom.

 

[yoscoobie]

Send me a PM. I can get you squared away. I was going to offer to come up and burn a chip and check your car over, but then I saw the map wowee your up north ! I live right off 39, but 70mi south of the border.[/Q Im no longer a probationary member yeaaaaay!!!

 

[bastarddsm]

Sorry busy as hell right now. Working on a code to make a hitachi frequwncy maf nativcve to the dsm ecu.