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[ytwithsi]

they are called heads on a v6 v8 because there are TWO of them, on an inline 6 or inline four(like all of our cars) it is called the HEAD. you would put a b16a HEAD on a b20 block for a frankenstien motor. you dont put heads on it. singular, all inline motors have a single HEAD thats all just one.

 

[Jason]

are you talking about the tops of the pistons?? the head and the tops of the pistons are two completly different things. please clarify.

 

[nonturbo=(]

Originally posted by Jason
if i were you i would do cams and cam gears. that's gonna be a huge gain right there. then i would do a cat-back system, cold air intake, plugs, and wires. then you might be able to hang with an si, and that is a big MAYBE.

cams and cam gears alone should make you run with SI's and most likely beat them. If you did the other bolt ons, intake, cat-back exhaust, plugs and wires, then SI's should be no worries at all. I just raced my friends 99 SI tonight and the only time he pulled on me was when you hear that vtec kick in and when he shifted, he stopped pulling untill it kicked in again. I thought he was going to kick my arse, which he did beat me... definately, but ive had stock 95 probe gt (which has a 160 hp v6 and weighs around 3000 lbs) pull on me a lot harder than what the SI did. His SI also has cold air intake and cat back exhaust and my car is completely stock. I completely believe the guy who says his 1g beats them all the time with few mods.

 

[ytwithsi]

the only time he pulled on you when you heard that vtec kick, well if the guy was racing after you fall into the rpm range of vtec and shift at 7000 rpm or above you wont fall out, so he pulled on you the entire race. unless the guy buys some crazy stage 3 grind of cams or something cams alone wont give you what you need. i mean i personally havent heard of street cams that will give you 20 hp, im not saying that you cant struggle and make huge cams work on the street. if you are getting 15- 20 hp with cams you need to let every else on this board know where you bought them at.

 

[nonturbo=(]

cams AND correctly adjusted cam gears should give you about 20 hp, according to what i have read and heard. But I don't know for sure. I haven't put cams and cam gears on my car and put it on the dyno or anything. I'm just willing to bet that cams and cam gears should do the trick.

 

[1TuffRS]

well I dont know if you guys have read SCC, but they put a crane cam in their SOHC Neon, same engine as ours but we have DOHC head, and made 15 whp when tuned with the cam gear and it wasnt too radical of a cam. Since we have a DOHC engine the gain we would see from cam gears and a set of cams would be even greater. One thing about our cars that differs from many 4 bangers is the fact that most of the time when we mod our cars we will make just as much torque, if not more, as hp. At this point I can be in 5th at around 60mph and still pass a car with no problem. I rarely do that though because dropping it into third and scaring the passengers of the car im passing is great

 

[nonturbo=(]

damn skippy!

 

[Johnny5]

This thread is obviously just "oozing" with BS.

 

[1TuffRS]

you want to elaborate?? If anything I said sounds like BS please let me know and Ill be more than happy to argue my points

 

[Jason]

first of all replacing the cam in a sohc and the cams in the dohc is NOT gonna make that much difference in hp. in the sohc engine the cam opens the intake and exhaust valves. in the dohc engine the one cam opens intake valves and the other opens exhaust. so if you open up the intake and exhaust the same amount on both engines, then how is a dohc gonna make tons more horse power??

 

[ytwithsi]

youre right, the crank and properly tuned cam gear along with the tb header exhaust, dont forget to add that in there.

 

[1TuffRS]

well first of all who said a DOHC car would make tons of power over a SOHC car?? I simply said that the gains would be greater on a DOHC than a SOHC car and the reason for the gains is quite simple. With a SOHC car you can either advance or retard timing, but you would have to do so on both the intake and exhaust where on a DOHC car you can advance and retard the timing on the intake and exhaust cams seperately. You cannot honestly sit there and tell me that you will not be able to make more power out of a DOHC set up. Hell people have put just adjustable cam gears on our cars and have seen an 8 whp gain with the stock cams, with a set of performance cams the gains would be even greater and I hope the gains we would see with both the cams and cam gears would be greater than the 7hp difference between the dialed in SOHC 420A and our DOHC 420A

 

[ytwithsi]

johnny5 why dont you let everyone know where the BS is at, I never said you wouldnt get more power out of dohc, you just seem to be going by the what the add says and now what really makes it to the ground thats all.

 

[1TuffRS]

well it wasnt exactly an ad as much as it was one of SCC's project cars. They have the normal intake and exhaust on the car and some other things, but with the cam gears and cams they noticed a 15 hp gain and that IS to the wheels

 

[ytwithsi]

how much does a neon weigh? how much does you car weigh?

 

[1TuffRS]

My car, which is the lightest model, weighs roughly 2700lbs and a neon will weigh at the very least a couple hundred pounds less. That wont make a difference in the horsepower output of our cars though, just how well we can accelerate. With the same bolt ons that I have on my car some neons would be in the high 14's

 

[ytwithsi]

what bolt ons do you have on your car?

 

[1TuffRS]

Cold Air Intake, AFX UDP, 2.5" Mandrel bent piping w/ an OBX Muffler, 60mm Jeep TB, Ported and Polished Intake Manifold, and ES Polyurethane motor mounts (they help with the launches) Thats it as far as engine mods go. Of course my 1/4 mile times would have been atleast 2/10ths faster if I didnt run with my 17's up front

 

[D'seclipse]

Has anyone ran against a Focus? What was the outcome? And how about those new 3g eclipse's?

 

[D'seclipse]

Has anyone ran against a Focus? What was the outcome? And how about those new 3g eclipse's?

 

[1TuffRS]

In all honesty Ive taken many foci, even some of the SVT versions )they were stock), but I do run 15.4 in the quarter mile. For the average 2GNT it isnt going to work out like that. Stock for stock the 2GNT and focus are kind of close

 

[CLB]

ive never really heard a definition or a proper explanation of Honda's VTEC motor...i hear about them all the time and everything but.....i dunno maybe im just a dumbass here but.. someone gimmie a link or somethin to some info on them

 

[darkrage]

Best Mods

FIPK
Exhaust
Pacesetter Headers
Turbo Cam

Ok mods (more expensive)
Porting
Pulleys
Chip

 

[D'seclipse]

Could someone be able to port their intake manifold theirself? Lets say an average mechanic? How about boring the TB?

 

[ytwithsi]

CLB= vtec is when the car reachs a certain rpm range( gsr- 4800, SI- 5500, type r- 5800) the oil pressure locks these pins into place which makes the valves follow the big lobe on the cam. it just keeps the intake and exhaust valves open longer. and the real vtec is only on the b, h, and s2000 motors. alot of people will say "my ex has vtec". it does have vtec but the vtec that people are talking about. and the new i-vtec is different because instead of oil pressure working the vtec the computer does. the computer just constantly changes the timing of the intake cam. this is one reason that the rsx and new si are so hard to tune. the timing is always changing.

D'seclipse= i think a person could do a intake manifold or exhaust manifold. i dont think you could do your tb yourself because you would have to make new throttle plates on the inside of the tb. if you bored it out and left gaps in there, that would be nasty.