420A turboing my 420a

[XMasta19]

yup yup...bench racing = no no, you're just lucky chris beat me to it

 

[Blitzeclips]

sorry if it seemed that way, but I know the bench racing rule...

I really do WANT the MSnS. But the extra charges for someone to hook it up is what scares me. I don't want to pay $1000 for a feul setup. I meen, you can get away with a nice one for $500. The installation still scares the shit out of me. What would the proces include? Tapping,signals, and selonoids ? AHH ,, I just DONT feel comfortable witht he installation of MSnS at all. I think thats why I'm searching for an alternative with feul... Maybe corn oil?? j/k..

 

[XMasta19]

Well if you're scared of setting it up and install etc, then you're probably scared of tuning too...better go with the Port Fueler or 034EIC 8-injector setups

 

[VelocitàPaola]

Well if you're scared of setting it up and install etc, then you're probably scared of tuning too...better go with the Port Fueler or 034EIC 8-injector setups

Yeah, I agree. If you dish out the money for Hahn, they won't let you down. Plus, you get a system that's pre-calibrated/tuned for your particular application - it's basically plug and play.

I thought that little 034 black box was pretty intimidating; I guess not. Corbin's write-up was pretty good, but I still don't think making an 8-injector set up is for the faint of heart.

Despite all of Megasquirt's "experimental" labels, I think it has to be one of the most user friendly systems - most especially if you get a kit from somebody who knows what they're doing (like Terry). There is an overwhelming amount of support available through the internet. The installation should go very smoothly with everyone here to help you.

 

[GSGoinFast]

Yeah, I agree. If you dish out the money for Hahn, they won't let you down. Plus, you get a system that's pre-calibrated/tuned for your particular application - it's basically plug and play.

Not unless your attempting to drown your engine, the portfueler comes with a very rich fuel map

 

[VelocitàPaola]

They're following the "better safe than sorry" ideology: in this case, better rich than lean. I didn't say it was optimally tuned, just "pre-tuned"...

 

[XMasta19]

yeah...I was just sayin for him to back off the megasquirt idea ### he's basically sayin he wants nothing to do with the install or tuning. megasquirt is more of a do-it-yourself ems, if he wants something like the port fueler where he just has a shop install it and bam it's tuned......well that's what I was more referring to

 

[Blitzeclips]

OKay, I think you all convinced me. This isn' final, but I'm pretty sure I'm going with a MSnS. I've already PMed Terry and he said roughly around $500 including or excluding (cant remember) injectors.. I'm assuming I wil need a pump, SFMU, and SAFC? Or not? What other parts do I need to buy along with the MSnS for the complete ready to go kit?
Now for the portfeuler, how much can you find a used one around? I don't see any on this site, and 2gnt.com is out of reach. Brand new, what do they retail for? $800, $1000 or so? Thanks for all the help so far, I appreciate the patience for my confused ass

 

[GSGoinFast]

OKay, I think you all convinced me. This isn' final, but I'm pretty sure I'm going with a MSnS. I've already PMed Terry and he said roughly around $500 including or excluding (cant remember) injectors.. I'm assuming I wil need a pump, SFMU, and SAFC? Or not? What other parts do I need to buy along with the MSnS for the complete ready to go kit?
Now for the portfeuler, how much can you find a used one around? I don't see any on this site, and 2gnt.com is out of reach. Brand new, what do they retail for? $800, $1000 or so? Thanks for all the help so far, I appreciate the patience for my confused ass

No SFMU or SAFC. You will need a 1:1 aeromotive(best) fpr, a wideband o2, a couple of GM sensors, and some other stuff. Your gonna have to search on this one, there is a lot of info out on 2gnt.com about it.

 

[Blitzeclips]

Wideband o2?? Those run around 300-$400 dont they? Maybe I Won't be using the MSnS... I'm sorry but I refuse to spend $1000+ for the feul system.

What would be the cheapest but most efficient route other then the MSnS?

 

[GSGoinFast]

Wideband o2?? Those run around 300-$400 dont they? Maybe I Won't be using the MSnS... I'm sorry but I refuse to spend $1000+ for the feul system.

What would be the cheapest but most efficient route other then the MSnS?

This isn't something you want to cheap out on, and to be able to run any decent amount of boost, you are going to have to shell out the money. Portfueler is the same price. Now, I'm not sure if you need the controller, or just the wideband sensor, you need to research that. If you only need the sensor, then thats only like $100 tops. If you need the controller, the one I was looking at was the Zetronics(sp?) one, which was only like $250 last I saw it, but that was a while ago and it probably went up.

 

[clipsit]

This is definitely not an area you want to cut corners in...it's like one of those inevitable things that you have to shell the money out for or else you will be sorry...fuel is simple, but at the same time complicated...or so you would think it would be simple.

 

[XMasta19]

you might as well sell your car if you're worried bout spendin some money

With Terry's setup, he'll send you the sensors, harnesses, etc needed. You still have to get yourself whatever size injectors you want to run and the Aeromotive 13109 1:1 fpr. The walbro 255lph fuel pump is also necessary if you don't have already. As I've said though, if you're not ready to spend a little dough...you've got the wrong hobby

 

[Blitzeclips]

you might as well sell your car if you're worried bout spendin some money

With Terry's setup, he'll send you the sensors, harnesses, etc needed. You still have to get yourself whatever size injectors you want to run and the Aeromotive 13109 1:1 fpr. The walbro 255lph fuel pump is also necessary if you don't have already. As I've said though, if you're not ready to spend a little dough...you've got the wrong hobby

Yea unfortunately it is an expensive hobby. Believe me, my motor was much more expensive then any of these things.

So let me get this straight:

SFMU, 255lph, 550cc, SAFCII = 16-18psi properly tuned

MSnS, FPR, 255, and 550cc = 20-25psi tuned

Portfueler = up to 30 psi tuned

Sound correct?

 

[GSGoinFast]

Yea unfortunately it is an expensive hobby. Believe me, my motor was much more expensive then any of these things.

So let me get this straight:

SFMU, 255lph, 550cc, SAFCII = 16-18psi properly tuned

MSnS, FPR, 255, and 550cc = 20-25psi tuned

Portfueler = up to 30 psi tuned

Sound correct?

No. The portfueler and MSnS are capable of running the same psi(actually MSnS is capable of more due to ignition timing), it all depends on the size injectors you use. And for 20-25psi you are probably gonna want bigger injectors.

 

[XMasta19]

...yeah bro, those 550's aren't gonna take you as high as you're apparently thinking. I mean hell, I believe Terry's 550's are at 85% or so duty cycle at 15psi (have to check on that to be sure, or he will verify), but it's all in tuning of course and just how high of a duty cycle you feel safe running them at. With our cars, you will definitely want to start making timing adjustments before you even reach the 20psi mark, some say it's needed once getting around 15 pounds or so. The portfueler would require more parts, ie msd dis-2 etc ignition systems to adjust timing, while the megasquirt has the abilities to do so in itself. Lots of choices to make, but remember we're always here to help