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t67 4" inlet, does it surge?

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With the 82 housing especially, it is unlikely you will need the anti-surge ports. I wasn't aware that they could reduce power however. I have never run a surge ported cover. The larger turbine housing will increase boost threshold about 200 RPM (using t3 60-1 in TSO4 cover, .63 vs .82, for comparison. Similar max flow rates ~62 lbs vs 65 lbs)). Wether or not the power gained from that is worthwhile is a tougher question to answer. If the lag costs you 2 tenths for example, you'll need to gain 20 hp to counterbalance that. In my experience increasing lag but not increasing airflow ALWAYS resulted in slower ETs, even if MPH went up. In general larger hotsides will increase VE (airflow vs boost pressure), which is always a good thing, and lower knock propensity on pump gas. I always ran .62 housings on 2 liters, and went bigger on the strokers which have another 15-20% more exhaust volume to get rid of at a given boost.

If you are running some hybrid 35R that uses a smaller tubine wheel, which is a practice I am not terribly fond of if the intent is to max out the turbo, that will get some VE back but will also defeat the purpose of using the smaller turbine wheel. ;) If you don't intend to run more than 30psi on a 2 liter I would just go with the turbo as is with a .63 housing to take advantage of the reduced lag/boost threshold. It will still flow enough at the projected 55 lbs/min you'll achieve in that situation. The FP 3065 is a good example of this (GT30/40 mix) .

Given the goals you have stated, I think it was a wise choice to step down to the 65 lb turbo, which is still quite large but certainly doable. At least you'll have some room to grow, and if boost comes in below 4500 you can do well with it.

To continue the 2 liter at 30 psi example (I use the 30 psi because 99.9% of DSMers never go over 30 psi) flowing 55 lbs/min, there are several turbos running the 3076R wheel that moves ~52 lbs/min that fits very well. Boost threshold on those is usually 25 psi at 4000 rpm in third gear.
 
91-gsx said:
See I alreay explained why I wanted this turbo. It does not have such a big hotside, so I can hit full boost before or at 5000 rpms, is this possible on this turbo? I also went around searching for this turbo on the internet and ofcourse supras run them and other six cylinder cars, but they generaly run the t4 hotside. I found that the honda crowd run this turbo all the time and they are making incredible numbers at like 15psi, over 400whp... The also have smaller engines, and are building plenty of boost before 5000rpm, so I thought sense we have 2 liter engines that it would take a bit less time. Now sure they have built engines and all, but my whole point of having this turbo is to push the stock block, but easily. Now our engines take 400whp reliably, I think this turbo will not take crazy tuning and boost from me to hit that goal, and yes I can do that with a sc6152 easily, but once you want to go above that is when you have to drop race gas in. Lets say I am boosting 25psi, the sc6152 will still not make as much power as the t67 at this low of a boost level because the t67 flows 100whp/10lb/min more of air. Most of us here would consider a fp3675 that evil eagle ran to 9500rpm as a big turbo, but during his pump gas dyno at 20psi, he made 500whp. Now you cannot convince me that is an efficient boost level for that turbo.
thanks for the help
Honda cams are waaayyyy more aggressive than ours so thats why it doesn't take alot of boost for them to make good power. Some of their stock cams are more aggressive than our crower stg 3, fp3, etc.
 
Reese92tsi said:
Honda cams are waaayyyy more aggressive than ours so thats why it doesn't take alot of boost for them to make good power. Some of their stock cams are more aggressive than our crower stg 3, fp3, etc.

There heads also have lots and lots of velocity and flow way better than just about any ported out dsm head. Maybe if you went with with a raised runner 2g head you could come close what some honda heads can flow
 
91-gsx said:
Dude, your still posting on this thread... Damn you just know everything man, you know about all the turbos and how I'm feeling, you just like the Dr. Phil of dsms. See the thing is that I came here and asked a very specific question, take a look at the title. "t67 4" inlet, does it surge?" I asked a question that had to do with my setup, not if you guys thought if I should go with this turbo or not. Now, people came on here and told me their opinion on the surge and if it would or not.

That is all I wanted man, you come on here and roll your eyes and give me shit about:

I think you should put back those rolling eyes on your posts, they make you look like an ass now... and like an ass a few years from now when another dsmer reads it. :beatentodeath:
later

If you don't like my response then DON'T post stuff like a t67 with a t04s cover by the way not just a 4" inlet, will spool about the same or slightly slower as sc6152. If I make a thread and say hey you guys think my turbo will sugre i just upgraded to a 14b from my fp3065 people are gonna go :confused: and then make a comment about what you said. I am not the only one that pointed out the fact that YOUR WRONG about the spool and i'm trying to educate you so that you don't have to mod twice because you had unrealistic goals. If you want to be immature and call me an ass and get mad because i'm telling your wrong and trying to educate you that's fine. I don't know everything or even close it doesn't say wiseman next to my name. I'm trying to give you knowledge that others have given me and that I have seen with fellow dsmers cars around me. You odn't want the info fine go buy your t3 to4s t67 and have a blast :thumb:


Or you could just stop being a ####y run the turbo and see for yourself if it surges
 
Alright ladies, quit your bitching and get back on topic.

If you want real world info refer to Kevin's post, he has actually used the T67:

With the 82 housing especially, it is unlikely you will need the anti-surge ports. I wasn't aware that they could reduce power however. I have never run a surge ported cover. The larger turbine housing will increase boost threshold about 200 RPM (using t3 60-1 in TSO4 cover, .63 vs .82, for comparison. Similar max flow rates ~62 lbs vs 65 lbs)). Wether or not the power gained from that is worthwhile is a tougher question to answer. If the lag costs you 2 tenths for example, you'll need to gain 20 hp to counterbalance that. In my experience increasing lag but not increasing airflow ALWAYS resulted in slower ETs, even if MPH went up. In general larger hotsides will increase VE (airflow vs boost pressure), which is always a good thing, and lower knock propensity on pump gas. I always ran .62 housings on 2 liters, and went bigger on the strokers which have another 15-20% more exhaust volume to get rid of at a given boost.

If you are running some hybrid 35R that uses a smaller tubine wheel, which is a practice I am not terribly fond of if the intent is to max out the turbo, that will get some VE back but will also defeat the purpose of using the smaller turbine wheel. If you don't intend to run more than 30psi on a 2 liter I would just go with the turbo as is with a .63 housing to take advantage of the reduced lag/boost threshold. It will still flow enough at the projected 55 lbs/min you'll achieve in that situation. The FP 3065 is a good example of this (GT30/40 mix) .

Given the goals you have stated, I think it was a wise choice to step down to the 65 lb turbo, which is still quite large but certainly doable. At least you'll have some room to grow, and if boost comes in below 4500 you can do well with it.

To continue the 2 liter at 30 psi example (I use the 30 psi because 99.9% of DSMers never go over 30 psi) flowing 55 lbs/min, there are several turbos running the 3076R wheel that moves ~52 lbs/min that fits very well. Boost threshold on those is usually 25 psi at 4000 rpm in third gear.
 
GVR4592 said:
Alright ladies, quit your bitching and get back on topic.

If you want real world info refer to Kevin's post, he has actually used the T67:

Yup Kevin said it best a gt35/sc6152 would be better but this guy doesn't want us to talk about his turbo or setup selection just surging.
 
I have already given Kevin's post a lot of thought. I already stated that I will be going with the sc6152 in a .63 housing. I will not be going with the .82 housing because I do not want to rev out the stock internals to much. Thanks for all the help guys
 
I have to make one more comment, even though I know I am wasting my breath. Some poeple talk a big game and expect to be taken seriously, but with spelling and grammar that is ####ed up beyond all recognition and a complete lack of effort put into proof reading, it's not going to happen. ;) Consider it my worthless public servive announcement for the week. :)

But, please pardon my digression; back to the topic.
 
95GSXracer said:
I have to make one more comment, even though I know I am wasting my breath. Some poeple talk a big game and expect to be taken seriously, but with spelling and grammar that is ####ed up beyond all recognition and a complete lack of effort put into proof reading, it's not going to happen. ;) Consider it my worthless public servive announcement for the week. :)

But, please pardon my digression; back to the topic.
OMG ROFL
 
Alright, you got me. I won't edit it, it's too friggin sweet. :)

But in my defense, typing wearing two layers of gloves is a mother####er. :D
 
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