Suggestions on this setup???

[domthebomb11208]

i jus bought a new 1g dsm bone stock...thinking bout going with this setup, if any1 can throw in there .02 about it let me know I'll be mostly running on the street trying to beat ls1 camaro's at the track.

264/272 Cams
Magnus Intake Manifold
Magnus 75mm Throttle Body
Evo 3 16g Turbo
255 lph Fuel Pump
Fuel Pressure Regulator
GM Mas Air
GM Mas Air Translator
3.0" Turbo Back Exhaust with o2 eliminator vented out
680 cc injectors
SAFC
Possible Meth Injection so I can get that high boost level...

What do u guys think?

 

[fourreGsixty3]

Yes, you did say that you were AWD before but come on man you have to update that vehicle profile of yours. I would just go completely forged on the internals, just so you have reassurance, and know they wont be melting from too much heat. The BB 50 Trim will be great for you, also Matt(blackGSX2g) has a SMIM flanged for a mustang TB, but it was such a PITA he had a flange fabed up so it would fit perfectly on the TB opening of the SMIM and make it 60mm wide for the n/t TB instead of the 75mm Mustang TB. That's what I would do if ZI were you since you already have the SMIM flanged for the Mustang TB. Those TBs are a PITA to set-up, and get to work flawlessly, and if your not planning on exceeding 33psi the n/t TB will be fine for you.

Dustin

 

[Spooling99]

Well If you fill out your vehicle profile it would be alot easier for us to know. Since you are AWD then I see no problem with the BB 50 trim. You'll love the spool up time. I hope you know how much money this is all gonna be. Stuff breaks and things happen so its not all just a bolt on affiar. Not trying to bring you down just trying to put things in perspective. Good luck.

 

[domthebomb11208]

i understand how much this is going to cost trust me i already have just about everything but the cams exhaust and turbo.

 

[Spooling99]

Well if you do decide to go BB 50 trim, your gonna need bigger injectors. I suggest dropping the SAFC and getting Link and using 880cc injectors. In the end you'll love the ease of tuning with link over a SAFC.

 

[fourreGsixty3]

If he were to go with a Link he could go all the way up to 950s, and I would. Go with a set of FP2 cams, or DKS 272s(like HKS but way less), Comp 200s. For an exhaust I would go Megan Racing 3" turbo-back, or VRS 3" turbo-back, keep your o2 Housing.

Dustin

 

[Nelsons91AWD]

keep your o2 Housing.

Dustin

Yea just give it a good porting.

I would go with the BB 50 Trim over the evo3 , you can make much more power, and it loves pump gas.

with that 50 Trim, some race gas, 26-27 PSI and a good tune

you should be able to some amazing things at the track.

And show those LS1s whats up.

ohh and i second the 272/272 combo.

and DSM link

 

[fourreGsixty3]

Yea just give it a good porting.

I wouldn't port the 1G o2 housing for the same reason I wouldn't port a 1G exhaust manifold, they are too thin, and porting them(taking metal material away) would just make them more prone to cracking. 2G exhaust manifolds, and o2 housings are thicker and a great adittion to a 1G exhaust set-up. If he were to go any porting he would want an EVO manifold and o2 housing, or 2G o2 housing and 2G exhaust manifold. Also Dom here is a nice little o2 housing that will allow you to dump, but stay internally gated>>>http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=4850&. If you do go 50 Trim I would seriously go externally gated off the manifold>>>http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=1891&, have it drilled, and go with a 38mm Tial WG, and go reg. recirculated 2g and port it.

Dustin

 

[Spooling99]

If I were you and spending this money, Id get a new manifold and o2 housing. Look at VPE o2 housing and figure out if you want to go external off o2 or mani. I have a external off my 02 with a VPE o2 housing and I love it. You can keep it cheap by finding a 2g mani in the classifieds, or turbochargers.com has a GT mani that is just like the EVO but bigger runners and comes with gaskets and new head to mani bolts. I believe this has the option of having external wg mounted on it as well allowing you to keep your 1g if you really want. But if your spending all this money might as well change it while you have everything off anyway.

 

[domthebomb11208]

ok bb50 trim it is...

 

[domthebomb11208]

Yea just give it a good porting.

I would go with the BB 50 Trim over the evo3 , you can make much more power, and it loves pump gas.

with that 50 Trim, some race gas, 26-27 PSI and a good tune

you should be able to some amazing things at the track.

And show those LS1s whats up.

ohh and i second the 272/272 combo.

and DSM link

Couldn't I just run meth injection with 26-27 psi?Race gas is WAY too much

 

[fourreGsixty3]

Yes, meth./water injection is a better combo then just race gas, and much less expensive. I cant be sure how much boost you can run, I would say get a logger, and start at 17psi, and start turning the boost up until you see knock, then turn it down 2-3psi.
PS: Dom you have to fill out your vehicle profile.

Dustin

 

[domthebomb11208]

sorry about that i'll fill the profile out now...(I keep forgetting)

 

[fourreGsixty3]

Good to see you have it filled out.

Dustin

 

[domthebomb11208]

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[Spooling99]

That turbo wont be in its efficiency range until 20+psi. With link you can definatley fine tune it. It will be a street monster with fast spool up.

 

[domthebomb11208]

i'm not ready for a link just yet, just getting a eprom ecu with a dsmchip. 20+ psi? o boy i better order my meth injection kit soon!!! Hey when is it out of it efficiency range (psi)?

 

[fourreGsixty3]

Yeah you better, but its all good...well except for everything costing money. If you have any questions Dom dont hesitate to shoot me a PM. Its just how it sounds, turbo's have a certain range that they are most efficent in, for larger turbo's they are less efficent in low psi, and small turbo's are less efficent in high psi levels due to making too much heat or not enough. An example: A 16g is a great quick spooling little turbo, so its efficency range is in the lower rpm's, and lower psi #s, after upping the boost so much, you begin to leave its efficency range, and the turbo struggles to make boost, and thus creates lots of heat, and if you dont have an IC that big enough to cool those temps down you will start to see knock because the intake tempurater charge is getting warmer, and hotter intake temps =knock.
Hope that makes some sence. But I would worry about that with a BB 50Trim, it spools almost as quick as a 16G, but you can reach much higher boost levels without leaving its efficency range.

Dustin

 

[Nelsons91AWD]

I wouldn't port the 1G o2 housing for the same reason I wouldn't port a 1G exhaust manifold, they are too thin, and porting them(taking metal material away) would just make them more prone to cracking. 2G exhaust manifolds, and o2 housings are thicker and a great adittion to a 1G exhaust set-up. If he were to go any porting he would want an EVO manifold and o2 housing, or 2G o2 housing and 2G exhaust manifold. Also Dom here is a nice little o2 housing that will allow you to dump, but stay internally gated>>>http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=4850&. If you do go 50 Trim I would seriously go externally gated off the manifold>>>http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=1891&, have it drilled, and go with a 38mm Tial WG, and go reg. recirculated 2g and port it.

Dustin

I have ported many 1g 02 housings and have had no problems with them, drove on a ported 1g 02 housing for 3 years.

I have also ported 1g 02 housings for friends with no problems, no cracks.
I ported my 1g housing as much as my friends 2g housing and have no problems with them cracking at all.

I mean you right the 2g exhaust mani and 02 are not prone to cracking as the 1g stuff is. And if he wants to buy a 2g 02 housing to be on the safe side, by all means...

but as you know most dsmers are pinching pennies

 

[domthebomb11208]

ok now about the mass air translator. I didnt order it yet i just bought a 2g mass air for 25 bucks off this kid i know. Should i use my gm mass air or my 2g mass air? Also i heard that the mass air translator you can tune with it. Is that hard or should i just keep every thing zeroed out? if i even use it... Also I'm gonna get a dsmchip from dsmchips.com I'll be getting a stage 3 chip. Does 11:1 afr and 16* peak timing sound good w/meth injection coming on at like 15 psi and boosting around 25-28 pounds?

 

[domthebomb11208]

ok now about the mass air translator. I didnt order it yet i just bought a 2g mass air for 25 bucks off this kid i know. Should i use my gm mass air or my 2g mass air? Also i heard that the mass air translator you can tune with it. Is that hard or should i just keep every thing zeroed out? if i even use it... Also I'm gonna get a dsmchip from dsmchips.com I'll be getting a stage 3 chip. Does 11:1 afr and 16* peak timing sound good w/meth injection coming on at like 15 psi and boosting around 25-28 pounds?

 

[Spooling99]

Well, with those two Air sensors you'll have to have the chip reburned if you want to switch because they are setup for either or. The 2g mas is great and can flow up to 400hp before its maxed out. You can tune with the MAF-T setup and it tells you exactly what to put it at for what injectors but I would still get a SAFC at least. PM Andy Moraitis about what you want for your setup and he'll work with you on a good tune. He helped me do mine and it works great.

 

[domthebomb11208]

but which one should i use? gm mass air or 2g?

 

[Spooling99]

Thats up to you. The only thing I'd be worried about if I were you is venting your bov, which you can safely do with the MAF-T setup. If you want sleeper look then go with the 2g. If you want to vent go with Maf-t.

 

[domthebomb11208]

ok. Also I'm gonna get a dsmchip from dsmchips.com I'll be getting a stage 3 chip. Does 11:1 afr and 16* peak timing sound good w/meth injection coming on at like 15 psi and boosting around 25-28 pounds?

 

[domthebomb11208]

ok. Also I'm gonna get a dsmchip from dsmchips.com I'll be getting a stage 3 chip. Does 11:1 afr and 16* peak timing sound good w/meth injection coming on at like 15 psi and boosting around 28 pounds?