Suggestions on this setup???

[domthebomb11208]

i jus bought a new 1g dsm bone stock...thinking bout going with this setup, if any1 can throw in there .02 about it let me know I'll be mostly running on the street trying to beat ls1 camaro's at the track.

264/272 Cams
Magnus Intake Manifold
Magnus 75mm Throttle Body
Evo 3 16g Turbo
255 lph Fuel Pump
Fuel Pressure Regulator
GM Mas Air
GM Mas Air Translator
3.0" Turbo Back Exhaust with o2 eliminator vented out
680 cc injectors
SAFC
Possible Meth Injection so I can get that high boost level...

What do u guys think?

 

[copper_gst]

That is a great list of parts. With all those parts you should have no problem toasting those cameros and mustangs you want to beat. You will need some sort of boost controller, manual or other wise, and a FMIC. Thoughs two things are a must with all the other mods you have listed. Good luck with you project.

 

[DankDSM]

like cooper said that is a good list but if you want to beat camaros and slowstangs you wont need all that. Basically take away the TB and the Magnus intake manifold and use that money on a front mount off ebay, a manual boost controller and a turbo timer. Besides that you should be stomping on mustangs in no time. happy hunting

 

[domthebomb11208]

sorry guys i didnt put them on cause i already have a boost constroller and a front mount...every1 i talked to said get the magnus and tb...that i'd really feel a difference. Any know what kind of whp i should be making with a good tune???Also i hear every1's running 20 psi on pump but i hear nuttin about pump and meth? any1 got an idea?And jus or the record i dont plan on street racing but if a camaro or mustang pulls up to me at a light i gotta show them what a 2.0 awd is all about...

 

[kspharris]

If you take it to the track you will STOMP the Mustangs and Camaro's no problem.

 

[Tsi2nr]

With an AFC and 680cc injectors you should also invest in getting your ECU chipped for those injectors. Only because you might not be able to lean it out enough.

 

[Spooling99]

Ok first of all street racing ='s . Second your gonna need a logger or something to show you knock and timing advance. With at E16G I dont think your gonna need a SMIM you could spend the money else where. Same with the throttle body. You could also save money and just use a 2g maf instead of venting, unless you want the noise . The cams will help out. With that big of injectors on a SAFC I suggest getting a Eprom ECU with a Keydiver or TMO chip, it will help out immensly with your tune. Before you put the turbo on please port it out. There is a tech guide on how to do it, otherwise you will one of the many people complaining about boost creep. Good luck

 

[domthebomb11208]

i just bought a complete gm mas w/translator but i dont know which wastegate i should get with the 16g 31mm or 34mm? which one will help with creep and control better?

 

[fourreGsixty3]

First off with a S-AFC you will need a logger so you can view things like timing, knock, ect...like spoolin999 stated. Also S-AFCs aren't recommended if going past 660s. I would just upgrade to a DSMLink and with that you can go all the way up to 950cc injectors, or you could go to www.dsmchips.com, and have Jeff do a custom A/F, and Timing map, with you ECU that would suit your needs. Yes its true that you will have greater top-end breathing from the SMIM, but on a 16g you wont utilize its full potential, I would go 20g, or BB 50 Trim with all supporting mods of course with that SMIM. Also I have heard mixed reviews about the larger TBs like Magnus, Q45s, ect...some have been good and some bad, just some food for thought. The 264/272 cams will give you a nice stock like idle, but allow the engine to breath more in the top end, and they wont take much away from your bottom end.

3.0" Turbo Back Exhaust with o2 eliminator vented out

This doesnt make much sence, are you venting your internal WG out? You need an o2 housing for that I haven't seen a DP do this. As for creep on your 16g you can go with the 34mm flapper, but you will need to port the WG housing>>>http://www.vfaq.com/mods/porting-turbo.html. Here is a link to SBR on an external WG off the o2 housing>>>http://www.slowboyracing.com/more.php?id=1355&, this would be good for the 16g if thats the route you want to go. If you go larger I would get an external WG off the exhaust manifold, and have it vent there. I would go with an evo III manifold or a 2g manifold, both are on SBR. Also fill out what vehicle you have, and the mods currently on it, and heres a good little link that should help you in your upgrade path>>>http://www.dsmtuners.com/sub.php?page=1gtupgrades

Dustin

 

[domthebomb11208]

sorry about that i meant a 3.0 turbo back exhaust with a dump tube. So I should just stay with the stock intake with a stock throttle body with the 16g?

 

[dsmclipse97]

Get 272/272 cams... everyone i know that has gotten 264s has wished they went more aggressive. who needs a baby smooth idle anyways?

 

[perley03]

If you are going with a EVO316G, cams, and intake, mine as well upgrade that 16G to atleast a 50 trim, maybe even bigger. Since you are going with an external wastegate, i'd recommend Forced Performance's Green Hybrid. Good for up to 500whp, as your E316G is only for 390. Trust me, after a while, you will want to upgrade past that EV03 turbo. Why not just buy one turbo, instead of multiples in the next few years?
Before i'd do anything though, i'd replace as much maintance parts as possible, and buy a logger and cable. You will need this, its like the lifeline of DSM's. Check/replace all belts, hoses, fluids. Do a compression check, replace plugs with NGK BR7's, and find out when the timing components were last changed. Do this stuff first, as a DSM with alot of mods is no fun when it keeps breaking down all the time.
I see on your list you don't have a clutch listed. Your stocker will not last long past stock parts. Look into getting a new one, rated for whatever horsepower goal you are looking at. ACT is a very good clutch, and it's proven. They may be expensive, but you get what you pay for. Remember this, as its a very good quote to follow on your buildup. Never cheap out on anything, and do your research before you buy any part. And most important thing of all, TAKE YOUR TIME!!! Don't rush things, as they lead to worst problems. Have fun on this project, and good luck.

 

[wilddog]

For your own sake please stay away from the magnus garbage. I speak from experience

 

[Spooling99]

Well I guess I should have asked this in the begginning, but what is your ultimate goal for this car? 300whp 400whp, or all out drag car.

 

[domthebomb11208]

sorry guys i dont want an external wastegate not yet jus an internal with a o2 eliminator...looking in the 300-400 range a very nice street car and when i go to the track bust out like a nice low 12 second time maybe a high 11 if i can get my driving right

 

[fourreGsixty3]

First update your profile with the new car. Ok I think I get what you want, you want to stay internally gated, but dont have the o2 recirculate, you will need an o2 for this, I have not seen someone do this without an o2 housing. Also your goals are do-able with an EVO III 16G, but you will need a great tune, go look at donmagicjuan'sprofile he has a 16G, meth injection, boosting 25psi, he fine tuned it with 3rd gear pulls then finished off the tune on the dyno, plus much more, also is your car awd or fwd? If its fwd you will need a good amount of seat time to hit low 12s, or high 11s, if its awd you should be able to hit your goals after a few runs. You will be able to hit your goals as donmagicjuan showed, but you will hit them easier with a BB 50 Trim, or any larger turbo. But which ever way you do go I recommend meth injection, you wont be disipointed.

Dustin

 

[domthebomb11208]

i am going to go with a meth kit...and it is awd. I hear great things about the spool up on the evo 3 16g turbo and i figure it would be a great street turbo with a meth kit

 

[fourreGsixty3]

The BB 50 Trim and 16G spool really quickly so both would be great on the street. The meth injection will be great because it will lower intake temps, and raise the level of octane so you can run higher levels of boost with no knock.

Dustin

 

[domthebomb11208]

is there much of a difference between a bb 50 trim and a evo3? and what do u think about the magnus intake with matching 75mm throttle body? and how will the bb 50 trim handle with stock internals?Like you say i can boost 25psi with a meth kit on a 16g...Can I do the same on a bb 50 trim? Or will the motor explode.

 

[Spooling99]

IF your motor is healthy, then it should have no problem with the BB 50 trim. You'll be much more happier with it if your looking for a low 12 second car. Remember that the tune is the biggest part of good times. The BB 50 trim will spool up like a 16G but hit much harder until redline instead of falling off up top. You might want to look into some FP cams maybe FP2x's you'll notice alot of up top on these and they are cheaper then the HKS combo.

* edit. I think the 75mm TB are more trouble then they're worth. Do a quick search on them on this site. Also look at JM Fab intakes as well.

 

[fourreGsixty3]

The BB 50Trim can hold more boost to redline then the 16G, Andy M. was boosting in the high 20s and Don is boosting 25psi, both on 16g's, but cast internals can only take so much heat before they melt, the meth will help keep EGTs down so they wont melt. I have heard nothing but problems with the larger 75mm TBs, thats just what I have heard, some people might have good experiences with them, but if I were you I would have them make the SMIM so you can use a n/t TB, these Ive heard great things about, and people have them on 500+whp cars, so you know they can handle it. It will be a good addition you your car, but you would see better gains from it with a BB 50 Trim instead of a 16G.
EDIT: I second the FP 2x cams. With the BB 50 Trim, all supporting mods, those FP 2x's, meth. injection, and the SMIM you will pull real hard to redline.

Dustin

 

[Spooling99]

Good Info Dustin. I agree with the N/T TB its much less of a PITA. Also seeing that your FWD you might not want to get BB and think about a straight 50 trim. The quicker the spool up is on that it will probably just kick the tires loose on the street.

 

[fourreGsixty3]

Thanks Adam, and is it such a bad thing to have them wheels breaking loose. I know what you mean though, I am FWD and within the next 2 yrs I will be finishing my full build up, and will be running a 2.3L with a GT35R so I will keep a tinny bit of traction in 3rd I agree with you on those mustang TBs, and Q45s being a PITA, sure they look a lot cleaner, but I dont think its worth it. If you already have the SMIM and it has a 75mm TB opening I would get a 1/4" thick piece of metal that is the same type as the SMIM, and have a shop fab it up for you so you bolt that to the SMIM and then it has an opening that the N/T TB can fit into.

Dustin

 

[Spooling99]

I guess kicking the tires loose in 3rd is one hell of a intimidator. But I hope you have left over money for more front tires .

Dom, If you have the extra money you should look into getting some forged pistons if you want 400whp. You might not need them but its a saftey precausion I would take especially when spending money. Do it once, Do it right.

 

[domthebomb11208]

yea i was thinking about forged pistons too.Also I'm not fwd i'm awd i thought i said that before but i could be wrong