Side Mount Intercooler That Supports 500HP

[mindset]

Speaking of water cooling I got another crazy idea. Does anybody watch the show Son's of Guns on the Discovery Channel? They did a water cooling system for a constant fire m16. They wrapped a coil of copper tubing all around the barrel and ran water through the system. Without the cooling system the barrel reached temps of 725 degrees. With the cooling system they had a 40 percent reduction in temperature. Now keep in mind that reduction is after firing 300 rounds constantly. After firing only one clip the barrel stayed at 82 degrees. They also used a water box. On a water to air system you use a radiator for the water which would reduce temps more than just a bucket of water would. We already have water to air intercooler set ups but they use a tiny intercooler integrated into the intercooler piping. You also have to pack the system with ice between runs to truly get it cool. If you had a hot pipe set up like the one pictured below and wrapped the whole pipe with copper tubing would it cool the system enough for a street car? I was thinking of trying it out but that's a lot of money to spend if it fails. Someone that already has a water to air intercooler set up could easily go out and buy 50 ft or so of copper refridgerator tubing, and wrap it around their intercooler pipe. Then just hook up your water pump to the copper tubing and send the water through the system. Here's a link to a quick video in case you haven't seen the show before.

YouTube - Watercooled M16

And Lucas English's Car:

I completely thought of this 3 years ago. Shoot me now.

 

[RipperXX]

I know this threads nearly 6 months old. But I find it curious that it appears that some Supra owners who want to keep there SMIC's upgrade to the Treadstone units linked in the OP post.... now I know people used to throw on the OEM supra SMIC with a big 16g and loved it... So why wouldn't a suposedly better SMIC that Supra guys upgrade to work even better? If it fits. Obviously here im not talking about with anything much bigger now days than a Evo III 16g.

I am with these guys that want a good SMIC though cause I am not such a fan of my FMIC setup. It gives away that your cars not stock, blocks airflow to the radiator, and normally requires you to remove your foglights which I also didnt like, and cut up the crash beam. I myself am heavily starting to lean back in the other direction here, a SMIC solution or at least a different FMIC that will at LEAST let me put my stock fogs back on.

 

[JOEY A]

Water intercooler is reliable. Most import guys are either to cheap, or ignorant to use them. That's why ati prochargers and vortech kits have no issue at all. Mr2 guys have been using water intercoolers for years.

I know this threads nearly 6 months old. But I find it curious that it appears that some Supra owners who want to keep there SMIC's upgrade to the Treadstone units linked in the OP post.... now I know people used to throw on the OEM supra SMIC with a big 16g and loved it... So why wouldn't a suposedly better SMIC that Supra guys upgrade to work even better? If it fits. Obviously here im not talking about with anything much bigger now days than a Evo III 16g.

I am with these guys that want a good SMIC though cause I am not such a fan of my FMIC setup. It gives away that your cars not stock, blocks airflow to the radiator, and normally requires you to remove your foglights which I also didnt like, and cut up the crash beam. I myself am heavily starting to lean back in the other direction here, a SMIC solution or at least a different FMIC that will at LEAST let me put my stock fogs back on.

It a cos issue for x amount of money you can do a front mount and be done with it. So most people do not wanna spend money two times and they think having a big front mount gets the ladies.

 

[MI48UR8]

Water intercooler is reliable. Most import guys are either to cheap, or ignorant to use them. That's why ati prochargers and vortech kits have no issue at all. Mr2 guys have been using water intercoolers for years.



It a cos issue for x amount of money you can do a front mount and be done with it. So most people do not wanna spend money two times and they think having a big front mount gets the ladies.

CX Racing has water/air intercoolers for as cheap as $179.00. I have seen the lowest rated one flow enough for 1000+hp and keep IAT's damn near ambient. These fools on here wouldn't have to spend much money if they took the time a search for great prices and researched the most efficient way(shortest) to plumb the system..

 

[bmoha7321]

I have Hahn big SMIC Very efficient. Very low pressure drop. Less than a psi. Max rated efficient hp is 450 hp. This is according to the Hahn website. It's no longer available but it's pretty damn big. I think it about maximizes what you can do with a SMIC without ducts, fans, water sprayer etc. although I never had any problems with heatsoak period.

 

[mschlanglv]

Any pics of the Hahn?

 

[4Lurker4]

Any pics of the Hahn?

Second pic comparison in post 29 of this thread, it's compared to the normal 2g smic

 

[romeen]

Second pic comparison in post 29 of this thread, it's compared to the normal 2g smic

Don't see that pic in this thread. Are you referring to a different thread?

I have the Hahn SMIC. Although I don't have any actual data my subjective impression is that it seems to flow quite well with seemingly low pressure drop.

Mine seems to heat soak fairly rapidly. HOWEVER, I don't (yet) have any ducting from the bumper cover to the IC which I'm sure will make a big difference in how well it works.

The quality of the IC is excellent.

 

[4Lurker4]

Don't see that pic in this thread. Are you referring to a different thread?

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This pic, it's actually post #21, but it's there (typo on#) ^^ first time I quote myself

Dejon/2g ----- Hahn/2g ------ Dejon/2g ------- ADFX/2g

Ducting will help you a lot! There's a great thread on it: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-turbo-system-intercooler/338863-sheet-metal-smic-duct.html

It'll help you on heatsoak and yes, these guys have low pressure drop and quick spool (due to the low amount of piping). I personally love these SMICs over a FMIC. Worse case scenario, if the ducting doesn't help, add a water injection system and you're all set (that's on my to-do list) Although I just realized you already have one, so disregard

 

[romeen]

This pic ^^ first time I quote myself

Dejon/2g ----- Hahn/2g ------ Dejon/2g ------- ADFX/2g

Ducting will help you a lot! There's a great thread on it: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-turbo-system-intercooler/338863-sheet-metal-smic-duct.html

It'll help you on heatsoak and yes, low pressure drop and quick spool (due to the low amount of piping). I personally love these SMICs over a FMIC

Ah, OK. But it's post 21, not 29.

Thanks for the pic though. Great comparison shot. I actually have all the materials for the ducting. Just gotta stop procrastinating and get it done.

 

[4Lurker4]

Get-er done I actually played with the idea of putting a puller fan in the lower front and perpendicular to the SMIC. Would get fresh air from the bottom of the car when not rolling and wouldn't be a huge air loss at speeds. Never did it though, still thinking about it (reminds me of MR2 set-ups)

 

[bmoha7321]

Only thing not shown in those comparison pictures is the Hahn Smic is twice as thick as stock. They are made very very well. On my other account Bmoha2 it shows duct work I made to it.

 

[romeen]

This pic, it's actually post #21, but it's there (typo on#) ^^ first time I quote myself

Dejon/2g ----- Hahn/2g ------ Dejon/2g ------- ADFX/2g

Ducting will help you a lot! There's a great thread on it: http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/articles-turbo-system-intercooler/338863-sheet-metal-smic-duct.html

It'll help you on heatsoak and yes, these guys have low pressure drop and quick spool (due to the low amount of piping). I personally love these SMICs over a FMIC. Worse case scenario, if the ducting doesn't help, add a water injection system and you're all set (that's on my to-do list) Although I just realized you already have one, so disregard

I actually have 2 nozzles with one of them placed just before the IC inlet. This is generally NOT recommended. But the few guys who tried it apparently had very good results. Much more effective than spraying the outside of the IC. Unfortunately, I haven't tested it yet. I only recently installed it and have the entire injection system disabled while I sort out some other issues that popped up.

Only thing not shown in those comparison pictures is the Hahn Smic is twice as thick as stock. They are made very very well. On my other account Bmoha2 it shows duct work I made to it.

Good point. Much thicker. Enough so that the back side of the IC was touching the wheel well liner on mine.

 

[4Lurker4]

I actually have 2 nozzles with one of them placed just before the IC inlet. This is generally NOT recommended. But the few guys who tried it apparently had very good results. Much more effective than spraying the outside of the IC. Unfortunately, I haven't tested it yet. I only recently installed it and have the entire injection system disabled while I sort out some other issues that popped up.

When you do, let me know if you find build ups anywhere inside when you do general maintenance on it after a couple months of use. I'd be interested to know how the interior of the IC can cope with water injection from the inlet (damage/corosion/build-up).

 

[bmoha7321]

I cut out a square for the back of the ic where it touched the wheel well liner

 

[turboglenn]

as long as pressure drop isn't an issue with the SMIC core adding pre-IC methanol will help greatly with charge temps... Hell you don't even need an IC with a good alky injection system, i've tested this extensively (there's a long post by me about it too in bolt on tech alky section )

really by "supporting 500hp" all you're concerned with to "support" a power level is flow capability/pressure drop, and heat soaking.. alky takes care of the heat soak, so if the core will flow the CFM temps won't be a concern.. I even ran pre-compressor meth for a year or so with great sucess, just when running pre-IC methanol, you must watch for puddling in the core. So make sure your kit has a good check valve with it on nozzles and spray well enough before the core for it to evaporate/atmoize well before it hit it..

not sure what real issues puddling of water/alky would cause being that the alky would evaporate and water is mostly harmless in the small amounts we're talking, but people have complained about it in the past, maybe it's just an "excuse" for something else that was wrong on their setups though too, ya never know until you experience it first hand is what i always say

 

[mschlanglv]

Any chance either of you have core measurments from the Hahn? I have a supra IC now, and will be building a new sidemount using a core from Bell Engineering. I'd like another set of data points before I pick a core size.

Thanks!

 

[bmoha7321]

Core 10" wide 7" tall 5" thick