RS Eclipse Build Questions

[ShowNGoRS]

Ive got a 98 RS Eclipse. I have looked at Hahn Racecraft and they said they have almost 600whp with pistons, rods, rings, and turboed with nothing else done to the engine except for bolt-ons.

On my car I am putting...

JE 8.8:1 Pistons
JE Piston Rings
Crower Rods
ACT Clutch
Bigger Fuel Injectors
Fuel Managment
Nitrous (possibly 100 shot)
Big 20G (or bigger) Turbo
FMIC
Turbo-Back 3'' Exhaust

Anyone know what else I would have to change to the engine to complete this project? It just does not seem like that is all that would be needed to create that kind of horsepower. I am looking to get about 450-500hp daily driven. Hahn makes this task seem easy but to me it seems like it should be more difficult. And does anyone know what kind of horsepower I could get out of the parts listed.

 

[97cLyPsE]

i just read hahnracecraft.com and it states that they are currently crossing the 500hp mark. their eclipse doesnt have 600whp. it will take alot more work than that to get 600whp. hey while your at it, throw in a stand alone fuel management unit with ur mods. by the way, hahn makes it "seem easy" because they want to sell their product. its not as easy as it seems. its probably just as hard as getting a 2gnt 220whp n/a.

 

[Eclipsemblue]

you will need a aftermarket tranny if u want that kinda HP, think of all the n/t ppl that beat on there car and get tranny problems, im only boosting 6psi on stock with a T3 getting a extra 45hp, even after i get my internals done this january im only gonna boost 10psi which would proble be around 250hp to the flywheel. Those mods will just support your car from blowing up, it wont support u pushing that hard everything plays a part in big HP.

P.S. your asking a question about turbo charging your car but your profile says your turbo already

 

[2fast420a]

i just read hahnracecraft.com and it states that they are currently crossing the 500hp mark. their eclipse doesnt have 600whp. it will take alot more work than that to get 600whp. hey while your at it, throw in a stand alone fuel management unit with ur mods. by the way, hahn makes it "seem easy" because they want to sell their product. its not as easy as it seems. its probably just as hard as getting a 2gnt 220whp n/a.

If I'm not mistaken the 500whp is without the nitrous. Bill then adds a 100 shot to the existing 500whp.

 

[Defiant]

I have looked at Hahn Racecraft and they said they have almost 600whp with pistons, rods, rings, and turboed with nothing else done to the engine except for bolt-ons.

Well, what "else" is there left to do? That doesn't leave much out. Although I wonder how long the stock crank is going to live with that.

 

[ShowNGoRS]

I talked to a tech about the mods done on their car. he said the complete mods were...

Pistons
Rods
Rings
Differential
Axles
Clutch
Turbo Kit (Big 20G)
Nitrous (150 shot)
Fuel Managment
Exhaust
FMIC

With this they recieved 506WHP with no other mods. So far from what ive priced out for about $4500 that goal could be reached. Even less if I priced it with Wiseco pistons instead of JE or Eagle rods instead of Crower. And according to Hahn they have over 20k miles on their motor without problems.

 

[2fast420a]

I talked to a tech about the mods done on their car. he said the complete mods were...

Pistons
Rods
Rings
Differential
Axles
Clutch
Turbo Kit (Big 20G)
Nitrous (150 shot)
Fuel Managment
Exhaust
FMIC

With this they recieved 506WHP with no other mods. So far from what ive priced out for about $4500 that goal could be reached. Even less if I priced it with Wiseco pistons instead of JE or Eagle rods instead of Crower. And according to Hahn they have over 20k miles on their motor without problems.

So many people have came and went trying to buy what Hahn has in the car to replicate the power, myself included. Hahn was making 500hp a while ago, I would be willing to bet he is making more. You may have calculated $4500 in parts but there is way more than that in just labor and parts prep. Unless of course you can do all the machine work yourself. Expect at least $7000-$10,000 in parts and labor and even then you will not be making the power Hahn has. I'm not trying to discourage you by any means but here is a prime example. Just remember it takes more than just parts and money to make power. Here is an example, siueclipse has over $10,000-15,000 dollars in parts, labor, and machine work and he is not clearing 300hp.

Just something to think about.

 

[97cLyPsE]

So many people have came and went trying to buy what Hahn has in the car to replicate the power, myself included. Hahn was making 500hp a while ago, I would be willing to bet he is making more. You may have calculated $4500 in parts but there is way more than that in just labor and parts prep. Unless of course you can do all the machine work yourself. Expect at least $7000-$10,000 in parts and labor and even then you will not be making the power Hahn has. I'm not trying to discourage you by any means but here is a prime example. Just remember it takes more than just parts and money to make power. Here is an example, siueclipse has over $10,000-15,000 dollars in parts, labor, and machine work and he is not clearing 300hp.

Just something to think about.[/QUOTE/
honestly, be reasonable bro. do u think if someone spent 10 to 15k on their motor they would only have 300hp? i agree with u, hes not making 500hp but i dont believe hes spent 15k on his car and under 300hp. if he did spend 15k he would be in the 10's. the only reason ur bashing on siueclipse is because he lags on posting dynos. SHOWNGORS. dont try to be like hahn and copy there mods, just be yourself and do what u think is best, ask for advice from wisemen if u need help. i forgot who told me but he said not swing by the nuts of bill hahn . jus do ur own thing search around, & and dont worry about the people who tell u wont be able to be fast. you can be fast, you just need alot of time and some deep pockets to do it. real deep pockets................ryan

 

[truECLIPSE]

I think he meant 300 whp because you can make 275 at the crank for 3k with hahn

 

[2fast420a]

I'm not saying that anyone cannot be fast. I'm just saying it will take hard work and more than 4500 to get there. Just because someone puts down 10,000-15,000 in money on a car does not mean that they will be fast. Like I said when I responded to your earlier posts I'm not trying to say it can't be done but it does take money, time, and skill. Proof is just a result of reaching those goals. You can't just claim to be one of the higher hp 420a cars out there and not expect people to want to see proof. If all it took was money to get into the 10s then there would be a lot more people here in the 10s. I'm not insulting the 420a by any means by saying this. I am just telling him that it takes hard work and quite a bit of money to get the 420a to make any decent hp. Remember, I used to have a built 420a. The only reason I switched to the GSX was for the AWD.

 

[97cLyPsE]

I'm not saying that anyone cannot be fast. I'm just saying it will take hard work and more than 4500 to get there. Just because someone puts down 10,000-15,000 in money on a car does not mean that they will be fast. Like I said when I responded to your earlier posts I'm not trying to say it can't be done but it does take money, time, and skill. Proof is just a result of reaching those goals. You can't just claim to be one of the higher hp 420a cars out there and not expect people to want to see proof. If all it took was money to get into the 10s then there would be a lot more people here in the 10s. I'm not insulting the 420a by any means by saying this. I am just telling him that it takes hard work and quite a bit of money to get the 420a to make any decent hp. Remember, I used to have a built 420a. The only reason I switched to the GSX was for the AWD.

what earlier posts? this isnt my thread

 

[Kirby]

you will need a aftermarket tranny if u want that kinda HP, think of all the n/t ppl that beat on there car and get tranny problems, im only boosting 6psi on stock with a T3 getting a extra 45hp, even after i get my internals done this january im only gonna boost 10psi which would proble be around 250hp to the flywheel. Those mods will just support your car from blowing up, it wont support u pushing that hard everything plays a part in big HP.

P.S. your asking a question about turbo charging your car but your profile says your turbo already

I'm not going to get into the debate that is underlying this thread, however I will say that the above statement is completly false and un grounded. Hahn is still still on a stock tranny save for an upgraded clutch and axles. The 420a tranny will hold some power guy's.

 

[2fast420a]

I'm not going to get into the debate that is underlying this thread, however I will say that the above statement is completly false and un grounded. Hahn is still still on a stock tranny save for an upgraded clutch and axles. The 420a tranny will hold some power guy's.

Search 2GNT because I don't remember exactly, but HRC either upgraded to the Neon tranny or used gears from it. This was not because they were any more reliable I don't think but rather because of the gear ratio.

If anyone remembers when HRC posted this please post a link to it.

 

[Kirby]

Search 2GNT because I don't remember exactly, but HRC either upgraded to the Neon tranny or used gears from it. This was not because they were any more reliable I don't think but rather because of the gear ratio.

If anyone remembers when HRC posted this please post a link to it.

Well yes they do use the neon tranny guts for the higher gear ratio's but they are still nvt350 guts just bigger ratios..

 

[Kirby]

Well, what "else" is there left to do? That doesn't leave much out. Although I wonder how long the stock crank is going to live with that.

Stock crank will hold just fine my friend. There tough bastards as well...

 

[RicecarRST]

I have spoken to Hahn on many subjects and have purchased many items from them. The Portfueler they sell is very easy to install and works like a charm. Very easy to tune when complimented with Innovative Digital Readout and Wide Band O2 sensor. The stock clutches are good up to 300hp safely. But the axles are the weak link. So if your wanting high hp those need to go. They have tuned up to nearly 500hp with the 20g and the Portfueler and among other parts and machine work. The list you have of what the car has isnt complete or exact. You also have to remember not all set ups will run the same especially when in different parts of the country. There is alot of tuning involved and machine work is key.

If someone has 10,000 to 15,000 dollars invested and cant get over 300whp they need to rethink what they are doing. Although dynos arent exact they are there to tune so A/F corrections and to see what gains you make from a base point and doing your machine work and bolt ons.

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