Replacing the Oil Pump??

[04scooby]

im a complete newbie and not sure about this but the oil problem in my eclipse i believe is a problem with either the oil pump being hooked up wrong (by the previous person who had the engine rebuilt) or if it is bad. Is there an easy way to get to the oil pump w/out having to pull the engine? I am basically going to have to do this on my own so i dont have to pay out the butt for someone to replace it since labor costs alot now adays....

if you can let me know, please, i would appriciate it.

 

[Slowboy]

im a complete newbie and not sure about this but the oil problem in my eclipse i believe is a problem with either the oil pump being hooked up wrong (by the previous person who had the engine rebuilt) or if it is bad. Is there an easy way to get to the oil pump w/out having to pull the engine? I am basically going to have to do this on my own so i dont have to pay out the butt for someone to replace it since labor costs alot now adays....

if you can let me know, please, i would appriciate it.

What leads you to believe there is a problem with the oil pump?

If need be, send an email to me and I can try my best to help.

MGH

 

[project_tsi]

What leads you to believe there is a problem with the oil pump?

^What He Said.^

 

[wolf20043]

im a complete newbie and not sure about this but the oil problem in my eclipse i believe is a problem with either the oil pump being hooked up wrong (by the previous person who had the engine rebuilt) or if it is bad. Is there an easy way to get to the oil pump w/out having to pull the engine? I am basically going to have to do this on my own so i dont have to pay out the butt for someone to replace it since labor costs alot now adays....

if you can let me know, please, i would appriciate it.

It can be done with th motor in the car, but not to be recomended if you have never done one before. It entails removing the drivers side and front motor mount, removing the downpipe, oil pan oil pick up tube, all pulleys on the drivers side, timing belt and front case. After the oil pump is change I would recomend a new water pump, timing belt, tensioners, and pulleys.
Mike
what exactly is your "oil problem". whats it doing?

 

[dsmpower1]

It is almost easier to pull the motor, or just have a mechanic do it. It shouldn't be that great of a charge since that is what they specialize in. Plus having a lift and all the correct tools are definately a plus in making the job quicker and easier for them to do. Which in turn, will save you time and money and all the hastle of doing it yourself.

But if your like the rest of us, and you don't have much money, but you do have time, then you'll probably end up doing it yourself. Just make sure you take your time , and do everything right, and keep it clean. That's my advice.

Good luck

 

[04scooby]

the reason for the oil pump issue is because when you start the car it makes a knocking noise like it isnt getting oil and it has oil in it and is full. We put on that oil pump over-flow thing (i dont remember the exact name for it) that was on the free power mods, and there is nothing going through that.

i dont know if the guy put it on wrong when he did it or if it is just clogged or need a new one.... but that is the only thing that anyone that has listened to it has said. basically no oil pressure and the knocking noise.

 

[Slowboy]

the reason for the oil pump issue is because when you start the car it makes a knocking noise like it isnt getting oil and it has oil in it and is full. We put on that oil pump over-flow thing (i dont remember the exact name for it) that was on the free power mods, and there is nothing going through that.

i dont know if the guy put it on wrong when he did it or if it is just clogged or need a new one.... but that is the only thing that anyone that has listened to it has said. basically no oil pressure and the knocking noise.

When you start it up and its knocking is not a good sign, and is most likely more than just a bad oil pump.

The other question would be how do you know there is no oil pressure?

MGH

 

[04scooby]

well, we figured that if the car is knocking and the oil pump is possibly bad, then i guess that would tell me that there is no oil pressure if any oil going anywhere.

but that is how i came to that conclusion...

 

[gthompson97]

how many miles are on the pump? is it original to the car? it might just be time for a replacement. it's not THAT tough of a replacement if your somewhat mechanically inclined and can work easily in small places with your hands and you have a nice set of tools.

 

[04scooby]

it probably does need replaced if it is anything like some of the other parts on the car. it has 192k original miles.
I just didnt know if it would be easy to replace on my own (well, with some other ppl helping me) or if it was easier to just pay a mechanic for the labor and me buy the part.

 

[gthompson97]

replace it. it's up to you whether you want to replace it or have a mechanic do it. it's not a real tough job, but it can be time consuming. all of this considering you have the right tools.

 

[gurmanator]

If the motor is already knocking then you are too late because the damage has been done.a new oil pump will not cure the knock...you will have to rebuild

 

[gthompson97]

If the motor is already knocking then you are too late because the damage has been done.a new oil pump will not cure the knock...you will have to rebuild

not true. if they only let it run for a few seconds then it will be fine. might as well try replacing the pump anyways, it's cheaper than a rebuild.

if you want to be on the safe side, pull the pan and check out what the bearings and journals look like. if they are dry and scarred, it's time for a rebuild, but if they're nice and smooth then your good to go.

 

[gurmanator]

IF the motor is knocking(rod bearing,main bearing)the motor is junk and time for a rebuild.He can change the oil pump but it will be a waste of time and money.There is no quick fix for this kind of problem.

 

[gthompson97]

any motor will knock if there is no oil running through the motor. he never said that he was driving it and it just started knocking. he said that when he started it up it started knocking, therefore if they shut it off right away, it should still be in decent shape and replacing the oil pump wouldn't be a waste of time and money, it would actually save time and money. again, for reassurance he should pull off the pan and check the bearings being as they are usually the first things to go.

 

[will90Eclipse]

You don't have to pull the motor to get to the oil pump. I had mine changed and they never pulled the motor. It cost me like $500 to change since mines double over head cam. Be careful changing your oil pump, if you get it in wrong or don't get the gasket tight your screwed.
Oh Ya and Welcome to the DSM club

 

[04scooby]

Thanks for the welcoming...


and sorry, it has been just rebuilt. it is off of a rebuild from what the guy told me that i bought the car from. it wasnt fully rebuilt since i had to get a replacement turbo since the one that was in there was cracked and i ended up replacing the valve cover (had a slight crack in it), and replaced the exhaust manifold with a ported 2nd Gen one.

and it has not been drove sine the rebuild since it was never fully completed and now im in the process of that. The knocking is not like a really loud knock like a rod or anything. i had a car that ran out of oil but the gauge never read it was low and it made the same knocking noise and it went away when oil was added. so im pretty sure that it is the oil pump.

 

[gthompson97]

yepp, replace the pump and let us know how it works.

 

[04scooby]

will do, just gotta wait for some cash to come in after paying bills (holidays were slow so i didnt get all my 80hrs i needed... :S ) and then some time after that in just spending it on getting the old one out and the new one in... :S

 

[1LE]

IF the motor is knocking(rod bearing,main bearing)the motor is junk and time for a rebuild.He can change the oil pump but it will be a waste of time and money.There is no quick fix for this kind of problem.

I just had an oil pump fail recently on my 4g63 (only 30k miles!). Engine made horrible noises, but was just fine. All we needed to put in is the oil pump.

 

[04scooby]

well, after having my car loaded up on a trailer to be moved from one place to my house, the oil leaked out somewhere... so now im guessing something else is just screwed up majorly...

i think what im going to do is just save up and just get a fresh complete rebuild on the engine because DANG! this is pissing me off...

 

[will90Eclipse]

I love my DSM just as much as the next guy, but if mine was having problems like yours I would sell it. That car sounds like bad luck.

 

[04scooby]

well, i got it for a deal, i mean $800 for a decent car...

but im just going to wait on it, save up about $2k-$3k and just have either a rebuild or possibly even look at buying a replacement engine that is new (i wont worry about like stage 2 and 3 engines unless i get lucky and save that much money ).

but im going to just leave it parked in my garage and for the mean time, just check if it might be a loose line or something else.... if it is just that, then that might be the cause of all the knocking and trouble... :S