Push start button

[niddydsm]

Altight so I want to install a push button start I dont want to use the key or clutch can anyone help show me how to fabricate this?? I have a 1990 tsi

 

[GsXdSmKingGsX]

Eliminating the clutch part is pretty easy.

 

[Absit]

I actually plan on doing this to my 2g (way down the road), here's the basic layout:
1) Unplug the clutch safety dealy (mine's an auto, done)
2) Run relays from the 3 positions (Acc/On to 3 way switch, Start to button) to switches/buttons/doo-dads
-This step can be done either keeping the current 3 position key switch enabled so you can use the key or the button, or disabling it entirely, up to you.
3) Disable steering lock.

The rest is pretty much up to whoever's doing it. I'm sure you could set it up to being just a button, but if you do I imagine it'd be pretty hard to read/flash the ECU, clear DTCs, and various other things because there's on On/Acc switch

I'll subscribe to this thread in case someone comes up with something better done.

 

[niddydsm]

To disable the steering lock how would I go about that?

 

[dj-t]

Correct me if I'm wrong but as for the steering lock the only way is to eliminate the ignition switch or take out the lock pin/key out of the column. For the push button I think the Honda S2000 push button fit almost perfect in the ignition switch if you are going to eliminate the key switch.

Here's my idea of how to go about doing it.

First, FIND YOUR WIRES. It should all be located at the ignition switch harness coming from the key switch cylinder. If I remember correctly it should be about a 12g wire thickness.

90-94 DSM
WHITE = 12v power from battery. This wire constantly have power with vehicle on or off.
BLACK/WHITE = Ignition (This wire should be the wire that send power to the starter and others that keeps the car running)
BLACK/BLUE = Accessory (This wire powers all other accessory's in the vehicle like radio, heater, etc...)
BLACK/YELLOW = starter wire

95-99 DSM
WHITE = 12v power from battery. This wire constantly have power with vehicle on or off.
BLACK/WHITE = Ignition (This wire should be the wire that send power to the starter and others that keeps the car running)
BLUE/BLACK = Accessory (This wire powers all other accessory's in the vehicle like radio, heater, etc...)
BLACK/YELLOW = starter wire

To keep ignition switch, but still use the key to turn on ACC & IGN with push start button.

PARTS:
SPDT relay (can be bought at any stereo shop, Radio Shack)
2 prong N/O (normally open) push button (can be bought at Radio Shack or electronic store comes in different shape and size)

To disable the starter from key switch just cut the starter wire, but leave enough wires if you want to reconnect it back in the future. If not, just splice and tap into it.

Wire up the relay:
Ignition connects to terminal 86 and 87 with a 15-20amp fuse in between ignition harness and relay.
If you want to crank the motor without inserting the key use the 12v power instead of the ignition (the car will not start but will crank a in my book).
Starter wire (starter side) connects to terminal 30
Push button connects to terminal 85. The other prong on the push button goes to a good ground.
TAPE ALL EXPOSE WIRE.

If wired this way you will have to insert the key and turn it to ignition in order for the push button to work. That's if you connected Ignition and not 12v power to terminal 86 and 87.

I'll try to explain without the using the key cylinder later when I have more time.

If anyone see something wrong please go right ahead and correct it.

 

[3kgt2nv]

mine is where you still have to have the key but turning the key doesnt start the car. you turn it to accessory and then use the push start. if you eliminate the key the push start would always be ready and the battery would run down or die all the time

has a toggle to activate the button then the push start to start it


its shown in this video

YouTube - Eclipse GSX 2.1 stroker

 

[Wobet]

The guy on davidsfarm videos, his talon has one wired under his stereo.

He flicks the switch, pushes the button and he is off. I want mine like that but the button where the key is suppose to be, and the switch in arms reach, out of vision though.

 

[1G King Koopa]

Just do the free mod of not having to push the clutch in. Turning a key ain't so bad

 

[GsXdSmKingGsX]

Seriously. Your going to have to put the key in the ignition regardless. Your just doing extra work by having to push a button and leaving more room for things to go wrong.

 

[dj-t]

The guy on davidsfarm videos, his talon has one wired under his stereo.

He flicks the switch, pushes the button and he is off. I want mine like that but the button where the key is suppose to be, and the switch in arms reach, out of vision though.

This was what I was gonna try to explain next.



To do this wire it the same way as mention before with the starter, but you use the ignition wire and the ACC wire. You are using two relays now one for the ignition and one for the ACC.

12V CONSTANT POWER connects to terminal 86 and 87 with a 15-20amp fuse in between ignition harness and relay.
IGNITION wire connects to terminal 30.
Toggle switch connects to terminal 85. The other prong on the toggle switch goes to a good ground.

12V CONSTANT POWER connects to terminal 86 and 87 with a 15-20amp fuse in between ignition harness and relay.
ACCESSORY wire connects to terminal 30.
Toggle switch connects to terminal 85. The other prong on the toggle switch goes to a good ground.

Wired individually you can turn your radio/heater on without other accessory's on by flipping the designated toggle switch. Or flip the toggle switch for the ignition and the toggle for ACC off then you can drive but have no radio/heater etc...

To have it on one switch connect ignition and ACC together to terminal 30 and use one relay for it with one toggle switch. So when you flip it on both ACC and IGN powers on and push the starter button. No keys needed here so you better hide that switch really good.

Again if anyone see something wrong please go right ahead and correct it.

Just do the free mod of not having to push the clutch in. Turning a key ain't so bad

Or this, but hey if you got nothing to do minus well kill some time hopefully not kill the car in the process.

 

[sniver]

Hell If Want anything it would be like the Cadillac setup. A knob in place of the key, that isn't removable. It doesn't do anything, like its dead. Until you have the fob within 4foot of the sensor.

Just so i can keep the fob in my pocket, and never fumble for keys, and not have to complicate the start procedure. I bet that would be very easy to accomplish if you could come up with that kind of fob and sensor.

 

[3kgt2nv]

just weld the key in the on position and put a button. no need for digging for a key then

 

[robtheturbopric]

Seriously. Your going to have to put the key in the ignition regardless. Your just doing extra work by having to push a button and leaving more room for things to go wrong.

don't be lame dude push button is just a cool thing to have yeah it may not be easier or simpler but its cool to have. i think maybe you just don't get it.

 

[3kgt2nv]

plus my key will not start my car so if someone tries to swipe it without knowing about the push start its not going to start

 

[dj-t]

Hell If Want anything it would be like the Cadillac setup. A knob in place of the key, that isn't removable. It doesn't do anything, like its dead. Until you have the fob within 4foot of the sensor.

Just so i can keep the fob in my pocket, and never fumble for keys, and not have to complicate the start procedure. I bet that would be very easy to accomplish if you could come up with that kind of fob and sensor.

Oh snap! You can definitely do that!

Here is my idea:

Part that is needed is something like a triad car security systemtriad zero contact security > Main. I tend to see these guys as a factory security upgrade from the dealers. It works like a relay. It has something like a transponder or signal on a key chain that transmit a signal to close a relay. I think the key chain has to be about a foot from the relay to received the signal.

Mount triad tranponder in center console next to driver belt buckle. Run wire to connect ACC & IGN. As driver enters the vehicle key chain in right pocket it sense the signal opens relay turns on ACC and IGN then all you have to do is push the start button.

If I remember correctly the triad has a negative trigger. I used to have this triad security in the Tacoma. Damn it, wish I never threw it away.

Damn you sniver why you gotta mention that, now I got all these freaken ideas running through my head on how to make this really work .

As for the knob it can be the honda s2000 push start button since it is pretty much the same size as the key switch
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GENUINE-HONDA-S2000-S2K-ENGINE-START-PUSH-BUTTON-NEW-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem3a621cdf8fQQitemZ250754162575QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

Hide the toggle switch just in-case you loose the key chain and it should still work as I describe above.

 

[sniver]

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I don't even want a flashy button, I want a knob in place of the key like this, like theres always a key in the ignition, but the fob activates it, you know?

I checked out your link, I like it other than the 4-6'' proximity range. I want 4 foot. fob inside vehicle, it runs, fob out, it stops.

StarDrive - Push Button Ignition System

This is exactly what you want to the tee.

 

[92EagleAWD]

First of all, i just watched a TV show about how easy it is to break into cars that dont require a key to start and have the keyfab entry, all they need is a simple $30 scanner to scan the frequency from up to 100ft away and replay the same frequency to the car to unlock it and steal it.

I had my old CRX rigged to when you pushed in the cigarette lighter it would start, worked well since i don't smoke, and i could just take it out and lock it in the glove box when i went somewhere, i still needed the key to be in the "on" position, but i wanted it that way so you still needed a key. Nobody ever figured out how to start my car, so my friends couldn't #### with it and move it around even when they got ahold of my keys. But it was fun to watch them try.

 

[Rockyp]

Nobodys going to think about buying a scanner to open a 1 or 2g dsm. Just don't go crazy and start shaving door handles and getting the door to pop open. If you want to be descrete about it, rewire the hazard switch to start your car and have a 3 position switch under your steering column to disable it. Then go to a Chevrolet dealer and drop a couple hundred on the corvette key setup and mold a corvette door handle in while you're at it. That would be awesome.

 

[spawn87]

what wire do you need to grab on to and how do you wire it to the push button starter without messing with the key switch. as in i still wana use the key and have the positions (especially because of the steering lock) but instead of pushing key to start car i want to use the button for that last step. i would assume using the method i mentioned the car would still turn of by turning key opposite and out like normal.

am i wrong in this train of though? and if someone has done it can they tell me what wire to use and how to hook up the button?

 

[Wobet]

Can someone pm on how I would go about installing a button, but leaving my key ignition for everything accept actually turning on the car. (that way noone else can start my car, and I don't need switches, and don't run down battery. Lol. Is it just a matter of running the right wire to the button?

Edit: just saw that comment^^ pm me anyways .

 

[Wobet]

First of all, i just watched a TV show about how easy it is to break into cars that dont require a key to start and have the keyfab entry, all they need is a simple $30 scanner to scan the frequency from up to 100ft away and replay the same frequency to the car to unlock it and steal it.

I had my old CRX rigged to when you pushed in the cigarette lighter it would start, worked well since i don't smoke, and i could just take it out and lock it in the glove box when i went somewhere, i still needed the key to be in the "on" position, but i wanted it that way so you still needed a key. Nobody ever figured out how to start my car, so my friends couldn't #### with it and move it around even when they got ahold of my keys. But it was fun to watch them try.

Haha did the lighter still heat up? I like this idea alot

 

[dj-t]

Can someone pm on how I would go about installing a button, but leaving my key ignition for everything accept actually turning on the car.

what wire do you need to grab on to and how do you wire it to the push button starter without messing with the key switch. as in i still wana use the key and have the positions (especially because of the steering lock) but instead of pushing key to start car i want to use the button for that last step.

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This is how I have it on my other car. I still have to insert the key turn it to ignition to unlock the steering lock then push the secret start button.

To test for starter wire use a test light or multimeter. When you turn the key to crank motor the test light should light up the multimeter should show around 12v DC. When you let go of key the test light should go off and multimeter read 0.

Cut the starter wire (BLACK/YELLOW) if you do not want to use the key to crank the motor.

Take off under dash on driver side steering column cover too if you like. find key switch fallow lines, find starter wire, decide where you would like to cut/break the wire. Remember leave enough wires on each end so that you can reconnect it back in the future.

 

[sniver]

First of all, i just watched a TV show about how easy it is to break into cars that dont require a key to start and have the keyfab entry, all they need is a simple $30 scanner to scan the frequency from up to 100ft away and replay the same frequency to the car to unlock it and steal it.

I had my old CRX rigged to when you pushed in the cigarette lighter it would start, worked well since i don't smoke, and i could just take it out and lock it in the glove box when i went somewhere, i still needed the key to be in the "on" position, but i wanted it that way so you still needed a key. Nobody ever figured out how to start my car, so my friends couldn't #### with it and move it around even when they got ahold of my keys. But it was fun to watch them try.

I can steal my1g in 60 seconds, whats shaving another 30 off? Lol the only cars that are really hard are the vats key ones, with the fuel cutot off if you have the wrong code.chip in the key and still, that can be done in erm... 1hr 25 mins . vats interrogators are slow .

 

[spawn87]

Read Post # 5

This is how I have it on my other car. I still have to insert the key turn it to ignition to unlock the steering lock then push the secret start button.

To test for starter wire use a test light or multimeter. When you turn the key to crank motor the test light should light up the multimeter should show around 12v DC. When you let go of key the test light should go off and multimeter read 0.

Cut the starter wire (BLACK/YELLOW) if you do not want to use the key to crank the motor.

Take off under dash on driver side steering column cover too if you like. find key switch fallow lines, find starter wire, decide where you would like to cut/break the wire. Remember leave enough wires on each end so that you can reconnect it back in the future.

so its just that one wire to the button and thats it? no ground wire or anything else?