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UnWoRtHy

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Mar 15, 2004
Chaplin, Connecticut
Alright...this is just wierd, but not really some kind of emergency...at least as far as I know.

Sometimes, whenever it's cold out during the winter months, or it's just been a very cool summer night, I'll get in my car, fire up the good ol' 420A and as my idiot lights go out, the "Brake" light stays lit, and will do so for the entire trip. There have been a few times I've worked a full 8am to 7pm shift at work, and it's still doing it. Friggin' wierd. Usually, if it's a cold night/morning, but a relatively warm day, I'll get back in at the end of the day and all will be normal.

Now for the real kicker. Several times when it's done this in the morning, I'll pop my hood and take off the lid for the brake fluid resevoir, screw it back on and magically...no light. I'm completely stumped here, as is pretty much everyone else I've asked...including my roommate, who works at the local Midas, so he deals with this kinda crap all day! Here are a few theories and suggestions I've been presented with, however.

1) My fluid's low.
Nope...checked it. Full.

2) The cold somehow reduces the volume of fluid, so the car THINKS it's low.
Uhh...no. Not only does that seem outright stupid, but when I've checked my fluid, it's always full. Hot, cold. Whatever.

3) (Note: I've recently...within the last 6000 miles, replaced pads and rotors all around. Factory parts.) Because I changed my brakes, as the pads get worn down, I need to add more fluid.
This seems somewhat feasible at least....But if that were true...wouldn't my fluid be low?

4) Electrial short.
This is starting to seem like the most likely scenario. But it STILL doesn't explain why removing the cap from the resevior would fix the problem.

5) Pull your E-Brake and then release it again.
No dice.

6) Turn the car on, let it run for a few minutes, shut it off and leave it for a minute or two, then start it up again. Do that a few times.
Nope.

Has anyone ever had a similar experience? Any theories? Just doesn't make any sense. Even when the light is on, the car performs flawlessly. The brakes aren't dragging, the car doesn't brake strangely. The pedal feels nice and firm. Help me figure this out!
 
Don't think it has anything to do with your ebrake. That idiot light is for the e brake and for the brake fluid. If you pull the e brake when the light is acting up (on when it shouldnt be on), and gets brighter (like two thing trigerring it at once, the e brake and the "problem") means its not your e brake because that would be functioning normal. My guess is it sounds like you have a faulty brake fluid sensor to me. But I'm not there so don't take my word for it.
 
Could it be that when your brakes got done, the ebrake sensor was knocked out of place or something?
 
The sensor's under the handlever. Make sure the lost dimes and quarters aren't keeping the lever from closing it, that they've not shorted the contacts, and that the mount for the cheezy little switch isn't bent.

If you didn't actually take the top off the master cylinder resvoir, do so. Looking through the translucent side can be foiled by the rubber membrane under the lid being drawn down with the fluid level.

Check the wires on the sensor of the master cylinder.
 
Ah. Thanks Defiant. I thought there was some sort of sensor thing by the rear rotor but you've set me straight. My bad.
 
Any word on the "fix" to this. My car started doing the same thing this morning (Brake light is on for no apparent reason). And it has been the coldest morning yet since I've had the car.
 
MajouR said:
No one knows how to tell everyone when and how they fix the problem so we will probably never know.

Does your get brighter when you pull the e brake?


No, the light didn't appear to get any brighter when I applied the PB. I have not checked the fluid level yet either, so I can't really make a guess as to what the problem is yet.

Yeah, I wish more people would follow through on their threads by explaining what cured their problems once they have fixed them.
 
i have the same problem in my isuzu rodeo - the mechanic told me it was the anti-lock sensor - even though my anti-lock functions just fine, the light stays on continuously - i just ignore it
 
I have no idea, but my question is (for my learning, and who knows - maybe it'll be the solution no one thought of) could it be air in the brake lines? Maybe bleeding the brakes would solve the problem. Can anyone either A) verify that I'm a genius or B) tell me to never ever work on my own brakes? :laugh:
 
Nah, the fluid would be higher in the reservoir (if there is any change at all) so the sensor wouldn't trip the light (only when its low).

You can still do your own brakes by the way, that wasn't that bad. :laugh:
 
ya i got the same prob but mine stays on cold hot sun or presip. i did add some to the resivoire (man i probely merderd that word) when i got the car and it went awa.... for a day. but it dose seem to get lower and then stop at the same point each time.
 
humm i tryed taking of the cap to the brake fluid and put it back on and the light whent out. what dose the little rubber thing do inside the cap, would it be posible to take it off? or would that be bad. also why would the brake fluid be going low and staying at 1/2 full :thumb:
 
Air and water are bad for brake fluid, so the membrane is supposed to be drawn down to try and reduce the exposure a bit.

Disc brake pads are very thick (as opposed to drum shoe lining) so cars with discs will have larger resevoirs than those without- they need more fluid to take up space as the pads wear.
 
Checked the brake fluid and the cap.......A-OK.

Took car to spray wash and sprayed around the wheels/brakes really well.

Then got in the car and noticed that the park brake handle would move up AND down without pushing the release button OMG So I beat on it a few times and it must of freed up something cause now it's back to normal.

When I started the car the brake light was off. So, I'm not sure exactly what made the light go off.
 
im sure its something small but my ebrake light works sometimes and sometimes it dont is there some kind of relay its hooked up to cause i took out the center counsle and checked the switch but thats not it my question is the ebrake wire were does that run to my buddy told me theres a relay or something its hooked up to its like one day works fine put the e brake down light goes off today the light just stays on ebrake up or down
 
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