ok wondering every one thinks about hauns super 20g

[baby huie]

ok i am looking to do a full upgrade on my talon i got quoted 3800 on a full system it includes a haun front mount intercooler the lower piping a super 20g turbo the install kit the the oil lines 660 injectors full dsm link setup high flow manifold and electric boost control and boost gage and pods walbro 255 flow fuel pump my basic question is shoud i go with the super 20g or not i have herd so much crap about umm and then some say they are awesome i am kinda in the middle and need advice so the question is to get the super 20g or not to get the super 20g and get something els :thumbdown

 

[leakyfaucet]

You could get a better turbo with all that and still end up paying less.

The general consensus is that Super 20Gs aren't very good turbos.

 

[kpt4321]

I'd like to buy a period...

 

[kooka]

at least his attempt for size 6 font (christ that's big) was a failed one.

i cannot read through 10 words of this post without getting a headache. ill assume you want to know about the super 20g. the hahn super turbos are more worthy of a good laugh than a purchase.

since you ask this on dsmtuners, im sure a member will be quick to reccomend you a 50trim over that 20g.

happy boosting.

 

[leakyfaucet]

I'd like to buy a period...

Punctuation sure is nice, isn't it?

 

[baby huie]

haha sorry about that should have used a couple of these..................................... was in a hurry.

 

[BigLGST]

With 3800 here's what I'd do...

Full Garret 50 trim AGP Kit - $1790
AGP FMIC- $999
PTE 680- $280
AFC II - $300
Descent MBC - $100
Gauge Pods - $50
Boost Gauge - $70
Walbro 255 - $100

Grand total price around $3709 with a better setup IMIO....Or you can get the Hahn FMIC which is about the same price, its nice but AGP is a little nicer. DSMLink is nice, but too much for me...I know a shop that puts down serious numbers with just an AFC and they will be doing my tunning. Hope that helps...

 

[kpt4321]

DSMLink is nice, but too much for me

Too much what? Too much independant fuel and timing adjustment? Too much better than a piggyback?

AFC's are dead.

...I know a shop that puts down serious numbers with just an AFC

I know a guy who puts down serious numbers with a carb, I still don't want one in my car.

 

[kooka]

afc's are dead, what? afc's are fine. they can be had cheap and do exactly whats needed to be done. ive seen them go 11's many times and the car runs perfectly. afcs are only dead if you dont know how to properly size injectors and use an adjustable fuel pressure regualtor. dsmlink's great and all, but a car with afc can run just as good.

arent you mr maft anyways? without getting into the specifics, a maft isn't really that far off of a safc.

Too much better than a piggyback?

dsmlink is a piggyback.

 

[GSX_RCR]

IN! for the reply. This I gotta see!

 

[dsm]

i had the s20g its a good turbo but if your like me and want hp get something bigger, like an fp 30... or something bigger than a 50 trim. look at my sig with stats on the s20g

 

[4G63 For Me]

You live in Pueblo Colorado? Assuming the mods you were quoted, I'm willing to bet the shop that quoted you the 3800 is Dynamic Performance and Racing, right? Those guys love the Hahn Turbos, but I think that is because Hahn Racecraft is one of their sponsors. I have a Super 16G on my Talon which was built by them, and while it is a good turbo, I'm going to be getting a "50 trim" or a SBR GT ball bearing turbo soon. They keep telling me to get the Super 20G, but I'm pretty sure I (and probably you) will be happier with something like a 50 Trim. The spool up time will be similiar, while top end for the 50 trim or other turbo will just blow the Super 20G away. Not to mention, the 10CM turbine housing used on the Super turbos doesn't really like our altitude.

As for the shop, assuming I guessed right, they do incredible work, and they definitely know their DSMs. They're real cool guys as well. The problem is their turn around time can be a bit extended occasionally, but nothing too bad. I'd highly recommend them.

 

[nanokpsi]

Too much what? Too much independant fuel and timing adjustment? Too much better than a piggyback?

AFC's are dead.




I know a guy who puts down serious numbers with a carb, I still don't want one in my car.

The more of these posts I read, the more I like this guy.


Seriously, I wouldn't go with a more expensive turbo package and skimp out on your tuning. That's where a good portion of power can be made. For all the bitching about Hahn turbos, I don't think much any of it is justified. The 20g is proven to make power. Just becasue it uses a big hot side people bad mouth it. Everyone I have talked to about it that owned one was very happy. I htink you have a good set up going there. Good luck

 

[BigLGST]

Too much what? Too much independant fuel and timing adjustment? Too much better than a piggyback?

If you noticed my post said "this is WHAT I WOULD DO", everyone will think different. I dont know how to tune for shit and I dont need a tool thats going to cost me about $800 if im not going to be able to take advantage of it. Ill take my AFC pay a shop to tune it and be more than satisfied with it.

$3800 is a lot and you could do a lot. If you wanted DSMLink just add another $500 on top of $3709. Youd pay a little more but should have a better overall setup.

 

[espinelli]

afc's are dead, what? afc's are fine. they can be had cheap and do exactly whats needed to be done. ive seen them go 11's many times and the car runs perfectly. afcs are only dead if you dont know how to properly size injectors and use an adjustable fuel pressure regualtor. dsmlink's great and all, but a car with afc can run just as good.

arent you mr maft anyways? without getting into the specifics, a maft isn't really that far off of a safc.



dsmlink is a piggyback.

That would depend on one's definition of piggy back system. I wouldn't classify the DSMLink product as piggy back. I see it as a very unique product. Somewhere between a Stand Alone and an AFC. Regardless, DSMLink will give you much more flexibility over an S-AFC. ie..Timing, Air, Fuel, disable solenoids, disable CEL's, run both cooling fans, great logging and so on. Either way, it will do more than the AFC can ever do.

 

[baby huie]

the dsm link set up is a definit. i like the fact that i will be able to tune my car. i think i am gonna go with the 50 trim insted of the s20g but i herd u had to change out your fans and crap to is that true or not true. also do i have to buy a new manifold or can i use mine and port it. hit me up with a little info on where u guys got your setup

 

[espinelli]

the dsm link set up is a definit. i like the fact that i will be able to tune my car. i think i am gonna go with the 50 trim insted of the s20g but i herd u had to change out your fans and crap to is that true or not true. also do i have to buy a new manifold or can i use mine and port it. hit me up with a little info on where u guys got your setup

The use of lower profile radiator fans will be necessary if your turbo will not clear the stock fans. If you have a 2G manifold I would definetly get it ported. If your looking to upgrade or its an older mani consider upgrading to an EVO. If you have a 1G mani definetly upgrade. Got a lot of cash? Check out DN Performance they make a nice tubular stainless header.

 

[kooka]

That would depend on one's definition of piggy back system. I wouldn't classify the DSMLink product as piggy back. I see it as a very unique product. Somewhere between a Stand Alone and an AFC. Regardless, DSMLink will give you much more flexibility over an S-AFC. ie..Timing, Air, Fuel, disable solenoids, disable CEL's, run both cooling fans, great logging and so on. Either way, it will do more than the AFC can ever do.

If it uses the stock ECU, then it is a piggyback.

I know DSMLink is great, infact, I used to have it. I know what it does, I know it's better than any afc/logger combo. Just because it can do more than a AFC does not mean AFC's are dead, garbage, wont tune well, etc.

i like the fact that i will be able to tune my car. i think i am gonna go with the 50 trim insted of the s20g

Just because you will have DSMLink does not mean that you will be able to tune your car yourself.

A 50 trim, of course, whatelse?

 

[espinelli]

If it uses the stock ECU, then it is a piggyback.

I know DSMLink is great, infact, I used to have it. I know what it does, I know it's better than any afc/logger combo. Just because it can do more than a AFC does not mean AFC's are dead, garbage, wont tune well, etc.



Just because you will have DSMLink does not mean that you will be able to tune your car yourself.

A 50 trim, of course, whatelse?

I don't think an AFC is garbage, (I've owned one of those as well) it has its purposes as well as many limitations. I personally prefer DSMLink over an AFC and logger any day. My number one choice would be a true standalone ECU. However, that would be huge $$$ and overkill for me. Although tuning on a stand alone would be sweet.

 

[gsx91boy]

The 10cm^2 is retarded. It doesn't offer any more top-end then a standard 20g, but does significantly increase spool-up time. Just get one and put a 7cm^2 on it.

-aaron

 

[leakyfaucet]

The 10cm^2 is retarded. It doesn't offer any more top-end then a standard 20g, but does significantly increase spool-up time. Just get one and put a 7cm^2 on it.

Or if you could just buy a normal 20g

 

[gsx91boy]

Or if you could just buy a normal 20g

Well I believe a FP 20g is somewhere around a grand, and I think the BR one is ~$1300 or so, but HRC had the super20g on sale for something like $600 or $800 i think.

-aaron