no cat?

[ckozlgod]

mine fell off...

 

[dets]

I don't mean to sound like a ####y, but did anyone see the movie The Day After Tomorrow? I will always run with a cat because emissions standards are set for a reason. Gaining 2 horsepower because of not having a cat is not worth f#$&*!g up the planet faster than it already is getting f%^&#d.

Disagree with me if you like, but you have no business daily driving without a cat. Anyone who does is either ignorant, irresponsible, an asshole, or any combination of the three. It really isn't worth it, people.

whats funny is that its not the amount of cars either running with no cat, ITS THE SHEER NUMBER OF CARS ON THE ROAD WITH NO EMMISIONS TEST!!!!!


Sure you'll be more responsible if you have one, but there is only one solution to making sure the we keep the environment clean. Its to take cars off the road or produce an energy source that doesn't require dumping waste into the atmosphere.

Call the epa, they'll say the same thing.

So, call me an irresponsible asshole, but it looks like you're just a moron with the spewing garbage propaganda that you probably read on the back of a green peace flyer and relating to a major motion picture called "the day after tommorow".

 

[Invizible Lite]

wow...everyone needs to just chill out...geeze...granted the effects of just us DSMers not running cats is minimal on the environment; however, if you apply that same argument to every type of car on the market then you would have an issue. It's like saying, "it's okay for me to punch this guy once...it won't hurt him too much"...but when you multiply that by ALL the people who say the same thing that guy is going to be seriously beat up...you guys cetching my drift? I'm not out to persecute or support anyone here...just realize whether you have a cat or not, it hurts the atmosphere...so don't be too hard on yourselves or anyone else for that matter until you decide to change how you get around....and I doubt theres any bicylcist here...

 

[ninjai_ruken]

It seems to me it will not matter soon any way, with all the new cars they are comming out with we will not be using gas any more gear heads will be a thing of the past

 

[BUCK]

Exhaust just gets a little bit louder & deeper - nothing offensive & really only noticable at rear of car - Motor does run stronger & spool quicker - Hardest part is the Hardware, I ended up cutting them with gtinder & drilling out the old studs & went back with American Thru-Bolts & new gaskets. A 1/2 Impact & one of those Long Contractor Auger Drill Bits is the way to go for the gutting, it kicks ass - Motor runs a little leaner but they are too rich anyway - Anyone who says this doesn't help performance, makes car run rich, ADDS backpressure is completely clueless - a hollow Cat makes a nice resonator & flows great.

I was just curious of why you say gutting the cat on your GS was a dumb thing to do, I was told instead of buying an aftermarket one to just gut it because its basically the same thing, but i was worried about what the exhaust would sound like....another reason is because i think my catalytic is clogged. Feedback would be greatly appreciated.

 

[WhiteCloud]

So, call me an irresponsible asshole, but it looks like you're just a moron with the spewing garbage propaganda that you probably read on the back of a green peace flyer and relating to a major motion picture called "the day after tommorow".

Right dude, I obviously am the moron because you understood NOTHING I said except for my reference to a hollywood version of global warming (wow, I'm glad my attempt to dumb it down for the select few paid off). But I'm really glad my worthwhile, intellectual points sunk in for you.

Invizible Lite's post has it right. We would all serve the environment better if we rode bikes. But that is a rather idealistic concept, and has no chance in reality. Why not do as much as possible to prevent UNNECESSARY pollution!? Taking off your cat does JACK SHIT for performance. You've read several people's posts saying that.

Read my last post. I am clearly not taking this off of a greenpeace flyer. Belittle my point if you want, but those of you who are insisting on taking off your cats for no good reason are being irresponsible and stupid.

When I call people ignorant, I am referring to people who take off their cat without understanding what harm they cause. When I refer to assholes, I am talking about people who take off their cat knowing that they are increasing global warming and damaging the environment more than necessary.

 

[DCJ98GST]

Now, I know I am preaching to deaf ears in this forum, but I am hoping that some moderately intelligent and thoughtful people will read this entire post and UNDERSTAND....

To the second quote above, you are definitely in the A hole category already. You have no clue how ignorant you sound: ....

Unbelievable how retarded you are.....

I used a movie because The Day After Tomorrow is about on the level of most people posting in this forum. One of my degrees is in astronomy, and I guarantee I know more about the inaccuracies and scientific fallacies in that movie than anyone else who has posted on this thread, so don't dumb it down for me.

Right dude, I obviously am the moron because you understood NOTHING I said except for my reference to a hollywood version of global warming (wow, I'm glad my attempt to dumb it down for the select few paid off). But I'm really glad my worthwhile, intellectual points sunk in for you..

STOP TALKING TO EVERYONE LIKE THEY ARE IDIOTS!!!

Treat others with respect and you will get it back. Didn't you mother teach you anything.

I can't stand people that are like "I have a degree in.... , and I know more than all of you... you stupid people on this board" Sounds like you have alot of growing up to do.

By the way alot of people that study earth history know that the temperature of the earth goes in cycles.

There are many things that affect climate not just C02 gases. I have been reading about the oceanic conveyor belt since the mid 90s since the oceanographer Wallace Broeker released his studies, and it is pretty interesting take on ONE system that effects the environment

Ice ages and global warming have been caused by many things like solar cycles, Earth's orbital elements (eccentricity, obliquity, and precession), not just C02. In reality the earth is very resilient to initial changes in gases in the atmosphere and can bounce back very easily. Most major earth climate changes have and will be due to outside sources not human influence. The mini climate cooling of the 1200AD to 1850AD was not do to any human influence, just natural changes.

The weather systems are not sensitive dependant on initial conditions as people think because there are too many systems to take into account. i.e. Chaos Theory. Just a small change in the initial conditions can drastically change the long-term behavior of a system. And the inverse is also true that when you have many systems working independently the end result is just as unpredictable if you change all the initial conditions.

So stop worrying! If the earth's climate is going to change there is not much we can do about it.

 

[WhiteCloud]

I will respond to people and call them idiots if they reply like idiots.

yes me driving with no cat is is going to f up the whole world. One again hollywood has claimed another victim. I guess you can put me in the a hole category too.

So, call me an irresponsible asshole, but it looks like you're just a moron with the spewing garbage propaganda that you probably read on the back of a green peace flyer and relating to a major motion picture called "the day after tommorow"

The above putdown seems very clever, but if you read any of my posts in this thread I am ATTEMPTING to spread knowledge and information, not propoganda found on the back of any flyer. Focus on the fact that I used a movie to help people relate to how significantly conditions on Earth will change if you like, but my other information and points are credible and relevant.

I don't want to sound like an asshole, but when someone challenges the validity of my opinion or information on the sole basis of my using a hollywood flick to try and allow NON-astronomy scholars to relate to global warming, I am going to respond defensively and cite my credentials.

Most major earth climate changes have and will be due to outside sources not human influence

How many previous climate changes have humans been around for? The climate change you cited that lasted from 1200-1850 was hardly a "climate" change. I am talking about RUNAWAY greenhouse effect here. Humans will be able to withstand minor climate changes. We have already as the earth has steadily gotten hotter since the advent of more advanced technology and industry. We have no way of knowing how human industry's effects will manifest themselves in the climate of the Earth. Intelligent life has never survived through a climate change on Earth, and we have no way of knowing how we will effect that chronology of these changes or if we will survive them when they occur.

In addition, Earth's orbital elements have never caused a major climate change. Climate changes like the SEASONS are caused by Earth's orbit. The obliquity of the Earth does not change enough to cause major climate changes, even over extremely long periods of time. Precession is also irrelevant to climate on Earth; it is simply the slow process of the revolution of the poles relative to the celestial coordinates of the sky. For instance, Polaris is now the North Star, above the north celestial pole. But in the time of ancient Egypt, Polaris was not a pole star, it was significantly misaligned. Due to precession, it is now aligned as the North Pole Star. This rotation of the poles with regard to the celestial backdrop does not effect global climate.

Now, solar phenomena have been known to cause climate changes. But it does us no good to talk about phenomena we can't change that will eventually make our climate uninhabitable. Here we have to address what we CAN do--and one minor, minor thing a single person can do to stop global warming is keep a cat on his or her car.

To the guy who pointed out Venus has no trees and plants: trees and plants do not process NEARLY enough carbon dioxide to stop pollution from automobiles. And, in major cities where this pollution is worst, there are a comparitively tiny number of trees and plants in comparison to the amount of cars.

 

[Invizible Lite]

hey this is kinda off topic, but I think I read somewhere in a book a few years back that ice ages are not uncommon for Earth. They happen every 100 thousand years or so when Earth's orbit become almost circular causing the seasons to disappear...warming the winters and cooling the summers. So when it would snow, it would never melt. Is this true? Anybody know? Is this what you guys have been talking about?

 

[Invizible Lite]

hey JoeMatthews what other degrees do you have? Your profile says your a student. I'm just curious...are you working on your masters or doctorates? Astonomy is sweet btw...too bad Va Tech only offers a minor in it, or I would consider it as another major.

 

[KeltonDSMer]

I agree with the guy guy who says look at all the cars on the road that abviously would not pass emissions in the state that they are. These cars and 2stroke personal use motors are the worst. By the way, I know more than a few people that have passed the emissions test in CO without a cat, it is called good tuning, some new plugs, and low octance gas from the cheapest pump around! Some deuch bag told my friend to put premium into his 85 300E to pass emmissions; what a dumbass, the car had run on 85octane for 10 years and could barely spark the good stuff--misfired often and failed miserably.


What I'm trying to say is even the government standards aren't very high and some good tuning and cheap gas will still put you within regulation. I say if you can pass without a cat, you aren't making a huge difference in adding greenhouse gasses.

 

[LightningMS]

Now, I know I am preaching to deaf ears in this forum, but I am hoping that some moderately intelligent and thoughtful people will read this entire post and UNDERSTAND why we should just leave our cats on our cars.

To the second quote above, you are definitely in the A hole category already. You have no clue how ignorant you sound: "me driving with no cat is going to f up the whole world." That's like saying "one vote doesn't make a difference, I'm not going to vote." What if everyone thinks this, as the majority of people on this site seem to? Unbelievable how retarded you are.

To the first quote, thanks for that article; it only strengthens my case. I used a movie because The Day After Tomorrow is about on the level of most people posting in this forum. One of my degrees is in astronomy, and I guarantee I know more about the inaccuracies and scientific fallacies in that movie than anyone else who has posted on this thread, so don't dumb it down for me.

The article you linked to brings up an excellent detail that I was unaware of: catalytic converters produce SOME N2O. What we are dealing with here is the lesser of two evils: if cars didn't have catalytic converters, the incredible amounts of carbon dioxide that would be spilled into the atmosphere would do incredibly much more damage than the miniscule amounts of N2O that are created by cats.

The planet Venus is an example of what is called "runaway greenhouse effect". Carbon Dioxide is so prominent in Venus's atmosphere that when solar energy passes through the atmosphere in the visible, it cannot escape in the infrared because of the thickness of CO2 clouds. Now, N2O is one of the trace gasses that contributes to global warming, but the very tiny amount of nitrous oxide that is released by catalytic converters is nothing compared to the devastating smog that would blanket our atmosphere without them. Maybe not in our lifetimes, but in the lifetimes of our children or grandchildren global warming may reach catastrophic levels. Do you know what the temperature on Venus is? Around 850 degrees fahrenheit. Have fun driving your car without a cat at that temp.

Just leave your cats on people. You've heard several guys claim they saw no performance gains. There is no reason to take the catalytic converters off. I stand by my first post.

I got a 3 inch high flow cat on my gsx.... its a good idea to leave it on for noise... plus be thoughtful of drivers behind u especially if its a cop and ur in california ur assed out.... for a very expensive ticket.... besides i ran a no cat quartermile time and with a cat same shizknick.

 

[99blackwidow]

Well this is about the dumbest debate ever and yea these guys are preechin to deaf ears.. <KILLIN THE PLANET FROM NO CAT> I'm not running a cat, and i did feel a difference mostly because my turbo spools up almost 800 rpms faster than with the old clogged cat.. f@#@ the planet.. J/k but i agree that a handful of dsm users are not going to cause a global catastrafy but i guess if you WANT TO CRY good for you tree huggers

 

[KeltonDSMer]

I'm not telling everyone to go ditch their cats and put on straight pipes, but I do think is is an oxymoron for "emissions friendly" and "turbo car enthusiest" to be in the same concept.

 

[awdsm drft]

Big gains for turbo cars.

And #### the environment.

 

[WhiteCloud]

Big gains for turbo cars.

And #### the environment.

You are a fool. :thumbdown

Thanks to the guys who run a high flow cat or leave their cats on their car. Hopefully those who don't are a little more aware of the consequences their actions will eventually have, and when I say eventually, I am praying that CO2 emissions from cars w/o cats won't expedite the process significantly.

Also, it's good to know that some well-tuned cars without catalytic converters still pass emissions...however I think we all know that emissions standards are not very high, and the checks are far from comprehensive. I'm just waiting until our gov't gets scared enough to really enforce stringent standards.

 

[StarDiamond]

Now, I know I am preaching to deaf ears in this forum, but I am hoping that some moderately intelligent and thoughtful people will read this entire post and UNDERSTAND why we should just leave our cats on our cars.

To the second quote above, you are definitely in the A hole category already. You have no clue how ignorant you sound: "me driving with no cat is going to f up the whole world." That's like saying "one vote doesn't make a difference, I'm not going to vote." What if everyone thinks this, as the majority of people on this site seem to? Unbelievable how retarded you are.

To the first quote, thanks for that article; it only strengthens my case. I used a movie because The Day After Tomorrow is about on the level of most people posting in this forum. One of my degrees is in astronomy, and I guarantee I know more about the inaccuracies and scientific fallacies in that movie than anyone else who has posted on this thread, so don't dumb it down for me.

The article you linked to brings up an excellent detail that I was unaware of: catalytic converters produce SOME N2O. What we are dealing with here is the lesser of two evils: if cars didn't have catalytic converters, the incredible amounts of carbon dioxide that would be spilled into the atmosphere would do incredibly much more damage than the miniscule amounts of N2O that are created by cats.

The planet Venus is an example of what is called "runaway greenhouse effect". Carbon Dioxide is so prominent in Venus's atmosphere that when solar energy passes through the atmosphere in the visible, it cannot escape in the infrared because of the thickness of CO2 clouds. Now, N2O is one of the trace gasses that contributes to global warming, but the very tiny amount of nitrous oxide that is released by catalytic converters is nothing compared to the devastating smog that would blanket our atmosphere without them. Maybe not in our lifetimes, but in the lifetimes of our children or grandchildren global warming may reach catastrophic levels. Do you know what the temperature on Venus is? Around 850 degrees fahrenheit. Have fun driving your car without a cat at that temp.

Just leave your cats on people. You've heard several guys claim they saw no performance gains. There is no reason to take the catalytic converters off. I stand by my first post.

YOu some kind of tree hugger?

 

[MattnGsx]

I ran a cat over the other day in my car It was black and tried to cross my path.

I can't believe this thread got turned into a environmental issue. Some people feel improvment with out a cat, some see none. blah blah blah. I can find tons of threads on this already.


-Matt

 

[JBeclipse1]

would it make you happy if i plant a F***ing tree and take off my cat. no matter how you look at it the world is going to go to shit anyways. its useless to try and explain because people dont care what happens. well maybe what happens but not if they contributed to it.

 

[97GST6bolt]

1st - Removing the cat DOES give good performance gains. It relieves back pressure which allows the turbo to spool faster, period!

2nd - Are we living on earth or Venus??? SO SHUT THE FVCK ^ AND QUITE COMPARING!

3rd - WE ALL BURN HELLA GAS, OIL, AND RUBBER, SO ANY TREE HUGGIN HIPPIE IN HERE IS I HIPPI-OCRITE (hypocrite for thos who didn't get it)

4th - THAT MOVIE SUCKS AND IT's A GROSS OVEREXAGGERATION! I wonder if you would even have a voice in here if you didn't watch it "JOE".

5th - AND ABOVE ALL, The damn magnetic field is weakening and our ozone layer is diminishing due to the magnetic poles flipping, which happens ever 14-18 million years. So we're doomed for skin cancer, UV radiation, and all types of shit anyway. Not only that, but there are also catstrophic possibilities suck as asteroids and aliens and I'd rather be able to outrun them with my extra 2hp!!

6th - DO YOU REALLY THINK THAT CATALYTIC CONVERTERS WILL HELP OUR DIEING ECOSYSTEM. What goes up must come down. Everything lives and dies. You wanna help the world, get a Segway you ###.

7th - Just shut up!!! You drive a damn gas guzzling turbo, you are in a horrible position to cry about people running straight exhaust.

and 8th - B/c I do care about the environment and all, and I don't want "joe" to get rid of his ride and join the peace corps, just get some cut-outs so you can run stock or race at the ease of a switch.


ahh.... I'm done

Sorry if I offended anyone. I just don't understand why this thread has even gone this far, but none the less it is entertaining. Hey, at least we only have 4 cylinders and not 8. Go to a chevy forum and tell them what yuo think about cats... DOH!

 

[slowpokin699]

well said. dont drive a turbo car is you care about emmissions. any gas you burn no matter what is going to get into the environment.

 

[StarDiamond]

Actually the polution in form of gas we burn helps create ozone. Since the o2 molicule given off in gas hits heat it turnsa to o3 thus ozone. Creating a thicker ozone creates the green house effect in turn frying all of us to hell thank you very much.

 

[Red97Eclipseboy]

Actually the polution in form of gas we burn helps create ozone. Since the o2 molicule given off in gas hits heat it turnsa to o3 thus ozone. Creating a thicker ozone creates the green house effect in turn frying all of us to hell thank you very much.

Did you just say the pollution from our cars are "building" the ozone layer?

 

[StarDiamond]

That is correct any science teacher will tell u that the hole in the ozone has always been there since ancient times.

 

[Invizible Lite]

....are we in a science forum or dsm tuners??