New PPG Liquid Metal Paint

[Frontwheeler]

Hey, I know there is quite a few body and paint guys on this site. So, I am checking to see if any of you guys that shoot PPG have heard about their new "Liquid Metal" basecoat. It was in our last product bulliten. Our paint rep is going to bring me a spray out of the new color so I can check it out.

I have been looking for a different color to paint my 1G for a while. When I restored imy car last year I painted it a Honda pearlesent blue, and I ended up not liking the color. This new color is supposed to looke like polished aluminum.(The rep said it looks like the bottom of a pop can) I think this color may fit a 1G with a black top and tinted windows. And maybe dark wheels. Our price is at $141 a pint. So it would be around $300 worth of basecoat. This isn't cheap, but affordable compared to some of House of Color's specialty paints.

So, I was basically checking to see if any of you paint guys have seen or heard of it. Let me know.

 

[DarkTalon2GNT]

I have not heard of it..but I think I will definately look into it....sounds like it'll be a good basecoat for alot of kandy colors...but it is a bit pricey...

 

[Chuckt]

ive heard of it, supposed to be getting a sample can of it for class to play around with. there is also another new paint out that changes color depending on the temperature. (think old hotwheels cars you dip in warm water/mood ring). i think the chrome paint would look badass and be something original since its fairly new.

 

[n2orbit]

spray soemthin so i can see what it looks like... im guessin it looks like tinted chrome when you put on the paint?

 

[DarkTalon2GNT]

ive heard of it, supposed to be getting a sample can of it for class to play around with. there is also another new paint out that changes color depending on the temperature. (think old hotwheels cars you dip in warm water/mood ring). i think the chrome paint would look badass and be something original since its fairly new.

I hope they do the color changing paint right...i remember my old hotwheels that did that eventually got old and the color found a middle ground on the color change and looked like crap

 

[n2orbit]

the color changing pait has been out for a bit... it changes by temp.. also u can do it on demand they put these wires down like in the rear defroster and hook it up to a switch.. its exspencive last time i checked... i cant remember the place but they had videos of it changing on a bike

 

[Frontwheeler]

Ahh, color changing Hotwheels, I remember those.

Man, color changing paint would make a strange looking DSM after some spirited driving. It would definatley change colors on your hood above your exhaust manifold and on your rear bumper where your exhaust exits. Maybe even behind your wheel wells after some brake rotor abuse.

But I am not a very big fan of chrome ellusion paint, and I am guessing that is it would look like.

But back to the liquid metal paint. The info sheet says that you are supposed to lay down a layer of black base coat first. (or I would guess you could use a black tinted sealer to skip that step). Or it can be diluted with DBC 500 to use as a translucent mid coat. But I am not sure what kind of color you could use with that.

 

[suicideclipse]

http://www.trippininc.com/index.htm
http://www.alsacorp.com/paints.htm

these are the websites... trippin inc is the one that was mentioned in this thread (color changes using heating elments)
the other one is a site that i found that has alot of cool type's of paint...

jason

 

[telly699]

the color changing pait has been out for a bit... it changes by temp.. also u can do it on demand they put these wires down like in the rear defroster and hook it up to a switch.. its exspencive last time i checked... i cant remember the place but they had videos of it changing on a bike

Has anyone else fantasized about a crime spree with a color-changing car? You know they always say " a red 94 eclipse..." If you had a green 94 eclipse, they would never suspect you! James Bond here I come!

 

[DarkTalon2GNT]

Has anyone else fantasized about a crime spree with a color-changing car? You know they always say " a red 94 eclipse..." If you had a green 94 eclipse, they would never suspect you! James Bond here I come!

kinda like they did in cannonball run with the lambo?

 

[miteclgst]

I don't spray PPG, we spray Glasurit, but neways I did hear of a "chrome like" paint on the market, actually on last months cover of HCI there was a widebody civic that was done in this type of paint. I think it looked absolutely horrific because imagine how incredibly hard it is to get a black car perfectly straight, now imagine doing that on a color with twice the reflectivity of black. In the article it said that the vehicle must be painted black and then wet sanded and buffed to a perfect finish. Then this stuff is applied. Now they called it chrome but I can't imagine anyone having the facilities to dip an entire car shell. That along with the fact that the thing had sort of an aluminum "hue" to it would lead me to believe that it was this paint because of your bottom of soda can description. Then obviously a clear coat is added. What ruined the entire car is the bodywork on the widebody kit and every other fiberglass part was all contorted. Pics with the reflection of the horizon showed all sorts of high and low spots in the panels.

 

[MackZ24]

I have been looking at that alsacorp website for quite some time, and if you check out their retro-glow additive, it basically makes the paint glow in the dark. This would be neat, but I'm sure very illegal on a vehicle. My car is going to need a paint job soon. Perhaps I'll hafta try something interesting!

Oh, and the "Crazer" special effects paint looks really really interesting.

 

[miteclgst]

I have heard bad things about the glow paint.. first the glow itself dosn't last all that long and the only way to "charge it" would be to sit at a gas station for a bit of time. Also after a while the glow paint fades. I had a friend who looked into the stuff and he said that if it wasn't for the fading he would have got it. Also all of the PPG hot hues colors: hot orange, hot pink, hot blue... will all fade quicker than any other color available. Any paint that draws in that much sunlight (super bright colors) will quickly loose their brightness. A kid around my way has a cavalier that he made into a show car and it is painted the super bright orange color. He has to park the car under a canopy for outdoor shows. You can actually see the difference in the roof, hood and trunk paint as compared to the sides (which don't get as much direct sunlight.) :thumbdown If you look in the house of colors flyer it says right underneath their "hot" colors that "prolonged exposure to sunlight will cause paint to fade"

 

[Thomas91169]

dam i am really digging the crystalFX from that asla website. do some of that in like a purple up front, then do the rest of the car in like blue or orange with the orange being flames up front, so it looked like the orange was being torn off by and exposing the crystal underneath. something liek that would definately win awards. i think if you hade the money for that stuff you wouldnt have to worry about too much sun, itd be a show only and trailored and kept in a garage or a shop showroom.

ps check out their fabrics, they have some chrome fabric stuff, looks pretty cool.

 

[Frontwheeler]

I asume the fading paint is a basecoat/clearcoat paint. I have never really heard of that rapid of fading in a clearcoated paint job, but it could happen I guess. You really get what you pay for when choosing a clear coat for the car. More expensive clearcoats have will dry much harder and have higher levels of UV protection. PPG sells Omni clears for around $60 a gallon and have no UV protection. While they also sell some of their Concept 2002 clears for close to $200 a gallon which have long term UV protection.


Miteclgst,
You said you shoot Glasurit. I've never heard of that brand. How do you like it ? And is it a subcompany of PPG, Dupont, Valspar or any of the other big companies ?

 

[miteclgst]

I asume the fading paint is a basecoat/clearcoat paint. I have never really heard of that rapid of fading in a clearcoated paint job, but it could happen I guess. You really get what you pay for when choosing a clear coat for the car. More expensive clearcoats have will dry much harder and have higher levels of UV protection. PPG sells Omni clears for around $60 a gallon and have no UV protection. While they also sell some of their Concept 2002 clears for close to $200 a gallon which have long term UV protection.


Miteclgst,
You said you shoot Glasurit. I've never heard of that brand. How do you like it ? And is it a subcompany of PPG, Dupont, Valspar or any of the other big companies ?

Glasurit is actually a sub company of BASF. They have been around for quite some time. Their interest began in Europe a long time ago, Mercedes and BMW once used it for all of their factory vehicles. We do a lot of single stage stuff because our restorations are supposed to be authentic. This means we need a paint that looks like laquer but dosn't have the adverse effects, chipping and cracking. Though we do most of our work in single stage I really have to say that depending on conditions it can be very tempermental. Depending on color the single stage paints will have differing dry times. A "ford blue" that we once used on a 32 custom T-bucket seemed to have the slowest dry time, weeks after paint we were wetsanding it and it buffed right up. On the contrary Wimbledon white (popular mustang shelby color) will dry like a diamond in less than 1 week. It can still be buffed but it takes a heck of a lot more work.
The base/clear system I have to say is extremely nice. The clear is not finicky like the single stage paint. It buffs up beautifully and has real depth. Plus it is super easy to spray.
All of the Glasurit stuff is mixed 2:1:10%. The biggest downfall is that the reducer is something in the $240 per gallon region. The hardner is around $175 and the clear goes about $150ish. We have the entire mixing system at work, they call the single stage the "22" line and the base clear the "55" line. PPG seems to offer some real nice products, but our paint line is our bosses' preferance, not ours.

As for the super bright paints, They are base clear to my best knowledge but since the colors depend so much on sucking in as much light as possible they will fade quickly. I would imagine that there couldn't be much protection on the glow in the dark colors because after all they are based totally on storing the light energy.

 

[Masakari]

im curious as to what some of this chrome paint would looke like if it was a used as a base coat and then covered with black...im not familiar at all with automotive paint....would it give the black a really glassy metalic look or would the black just cover it over and have no effect?