new car, the good/the bad

[bzzzt]

well, i dunno if you guys remember at all but i joined this board a little while ago after buying a 90 plymouth laser turbo as my daily driver for my pretty heavily modded S10... well anyway, you bastards got me hooked. i just picked up a 92 eagle talon Tsi AWD, 6 bolt/ 4 bolt this weekend. it is in beautiful condition, looks brand new in and out. and drives very nicely as well there ARE a few issues though....

- just about every oil connection on the turbo seems to be leaking. i think it's all pretty much self explanitory hopefully (the car was previously modded i'm suspicious maybe the stock turbo was just kinda "slapped back on" i could be wrong of course though.

- biggest problem, the car has an overall "fuel-y" smell after looking around i found a small puddle of what appears to be fuel on the intake manifold, and noticed right above it that the injector appeared to be soaked with fuel so im pretty sure thats the culprit. the two middle injectors are pretty loose, you can rotate them by hand where as the outside ones are pretty snug in there. is there some kind of seal or o- ring that needs to be replace? how serious of a fire risk is this? should i park the car untill this is fixed?

- lastly, idle surge... which ive found a lot of info on. so i'm hoping that will help me. but these 4 vacuum lines on top of the TB ( seen here http://members.shaw.ca/dsm.1000q/Engineprimer/throttlebody.jpg ) are disconnected, and it appears that an attempt to plug them was made.... does ANYone have any idea why this may be? and what do they hook up to? i would really like to get them hooked back up to where they need to go.

i apologize for the novel, i just really want to get these issues fixed ASAP. thanks a lot for any input guys.

 

[BUCK]

You are probably spot - on regarding the Turbo - it might be Time Bomb.

There are these Quad Ring like Seals at the Head to Injector Joint - yours may be dead or missing - VERY dangerous - Do you own a good Fire Extinguisher? If not - FIND ONE!

You don't need those Vac lines - see my Gallery.

Congrats on your new project...

 

[bzzzt]

ok, well the car doesnt seem to smoke or anything and appears to build boost nicely. you think i should for now just kinda "re-install" it. or should i put another one on to be safe?

about the vac lines..... i understand they may not be necessary. but cali is pretty strict on emissions and what-not so i would really like to hook them back up to wherever they go. so if someone could point me in that direction i'd be appreciative.

and the seals on the injectors.... any idea where i would go to get them? what about the fact that the center ones seem loose and then outers seem pretty tight. is that normal? thanks for the help!

 

[ralliartguy]

From how you explain it sounds like the same thing happend to me. I replaced them with rebuild stock ones because of lack of money or 550cc+ would have been in there. I also had a horrible idle due to TPS witch was also highly priced considering its a small piece of plastic. The new TPS fixed the bad idle until recently. I do believe I now have some compression issues and been too busy to do a test. Hope that helped at least a little.

Justin

 

[BUCK]

Well consult a TURBO expert here on the Boards - all I hear is that if it's assembled unbalanced the SHRAPNEL from the explosion can destroy Valve Seats - NOT COOL.

Gimme a minute I'll post a link on the Vac Lines -

http://www.taboospeedshop.com/emissions.htm

You'll need new hose & those razor like little clamps.

Injector Seals are at Mitsu - BIGTIME Safety issue there - Ever try to put out a gas fire on a car? I have - Water doesn't cut it...

 

[98RedGs]

You live in cali, keep those vac lines and don't touch any of that emissions system.

As far as your oil leaks go around the turbo, I would truthfully drop it, replace the gaskets and then just reinstall it. Sounds like he was in a rush putting it back to stock. Do a compression check on the engine also bro.

The injectors should have a small metal clamp on them as well as a rubbery o-ring where there installed into the manifold. Pull the injectors and check for these.

 

[bzzzt]

ok guys i really appreciate the help. i just had to run an errand here at work. i went home and parked the car. the fuel smell really is too strong for my liking, im gonna just roll the laser for now untill i get things squared away with this car. kind of a bummer but hopefully the problems are all easily solveable. my biggest problem is just time. i hardly have any of it..... another question... i have never pulled or installed a fuel pump on these cars. is it possible to maybe be leaking from there? because the inside of the car just really smells like gas, and i know the pump is right there under the rear seats. about the emmisions..... 98redgs is exactly right, i cant get rid of em.... however that link is still helpful, so thanks again!

 

[bzzzt]

one other thing i meant to ask again... the "loose" feeling injectors... is that normal? should you be able to kinda rotate them by hand? and do you guys have any suggestions as to where i can get the new seals from? the local auto parts store wanted 16 bucks...... for 1. thanks for all the help

 

[BUCK]

Yes - you can spin them by hand - even with New Injector Seals - but the old ones were hard & spun easy - The new ones have a softer "stiction" - I'll bet the $16 was for ONE SET of 4 - You may want to locate a smarter Parts guy - STAY AWAY from Auto Zone, Advance, etc - I bought mine from Mitsu & they were NOT $16 a piece!

 

[bzzzt]

Originally posted by BUCK
Yes - you can spin them by hand - even with New Injector Seals - but the old ones were hard & spun easy - The new ones have a softer "stiction" - I'll bet the $16 was for ONE SET of 4 - You may want to locate a smarter Parts guy - STAY AWAY from Auto Zone, Advance, etc - I bought mine from Mitsu & they were NOT $16 a piece!

awesome, thank you very much

 

[Mike1992]

Click HERE and scroll down and you'll see the injecotor o-ring kit $15 plusd shipping

 

[bzzzt]

awesome man, i think im gonna order that asap.... it seems like each injector has 2 seals... is there just one ring for the injector and one for the manifold? or is it 2 for the injector and i need one for the manifold seperately? or are there not any seals in the manifold on dsm's?