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My TSi not much faster then an ESI?

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GeneralChaos

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Feb 13, 2004
Belleville, Michigan
yea....you read the title.

im not sure whats going on here, but my 95 TSi isnt that much faster then my buddies 96 ESI. its kind of sad, my car has a home made boost controller and it goes to about 12.5 psi because I got the 2gbov so it leaks. The car also had magnacore wires on it when I bought it.

his car is completely stock.

now im not sure what a ESI runs in the 1/4 but im going to guess at least 2 seconds slower then my car, so I SHOULD walk all over him, but I dont. if were from a dig and I get a really good launch ill take off on him, but if im in 2nd or anything from a roll (2nd is a good gear) I hardly pull on him at all. I know I got awd so it sucks at a roll but cmon now, how is this ESI keeping up with my car? even from a dig he isnt that far back.

If im in a serious launch I generally do 5k-5.5k rev then go, and the car about stalls, which from what I used to read on here a while ago it shouldnt.

Couple of things I might do is get some new plugs, try and get a new filter (but not sure which k&n setup or whatever I should get because theres a million of them so if you know what can bolt right inplace of that airbox let me know) probly need a new fuel filter, not sure about the fuel pump. for some reason my gas peddal has some play in it, like you can push it in a little bit before it gets touchy, where-as his esi you barely touch it and its revving up.

Also a possibility my turbo is going bad, sometimes when I start my car and go it like jolts with power, like its trying to boost but cant. Could just be because the car isnt warmed up yet though.

And besides all this my car just feels fricken slow, so I doubt the possibility his esi had internals or something is true. I need to run at the track and see exactly what I can do. Also its not driver error because we switched cars and the same result occured.


Help me please!
 
i dont know what is wrong but you should be whippin his ass. any leaks?
 
awd's run around a 15.1 ish i believe stock. esi's run anywhere from high 15's to however crappy the drvier is. so from a roll you will leave him but i dont think you will pull away like your thinking. remember there is only around 65-70 hp betweent he two cars and yours weighs around 300 or so mroe than the esi.
 
I thought TSi was 14.2 capable, most people I see run em do about 14.4-14.5 because they arent pro drivers.
 
high 14s bone stock Ive seen anywhere from 14.7-15.8 stock, but every turbo dsm should run 14.7-15.0. I personally ran 14.9@95mph on stock 205 all seasons, your turbo so you will have alot more top end then a n/t so you should walk all over him from any gear.
Andrew
 
Ive never seen a stock AWD getting into 14s without boost control ... not saying it may not be possible but from my experience at the strip I havent seen it. And FWD are getting mid to low 15s with boost control as well. You have to remember that unless you upgrade the turbo all AWD is giving you is a great launch and a taper off once rolling. Its really not that much greater stock than FWD since the FWD would eventually catch up. Boost control would be your best friend in this instance.

As far as hiccups or sluggish launching ... check your plugs ... always my case and I know Im not an AWD but I think that rule applies to all rides. :thumb:

You should still take him but not by much stock!

Peace
 
well im not losing to him but its way closer then it should be.

I do have boost controll, but im only gaining like 2lbs....so maybe about 20hp.

now I think of it his interior is stripped....well like his spare tire and trunk crap, but it cant help THAT much.


I was thinking of checking for leaks and doing a compression test. Will have to wait untill I can go to his house tho since I dont have the tools for it.

but what do you guys think about crappy plugs and a clogged air filter? ive cleaned the filter once and it looked pretty hit.
 
1fast97gsx said:
check for boost leaks ... do a compression test as well and get back to me. We CAN'T be losing to the non turbos!!!!!

always hating on the non-turbo guys. geez. j/k

a guy in my area was running 17's in his AWD. so wegman took it out and ran 17's with it. it has some problems with it when the best that can be got out of it is a low 17.
 
no it was not.

Another thing comes to mind but I dont think its that big of a problem,

my boost gauge seems to be leaking some, its an autometer one and I hate how the tube goes into the gauge. I think the ferrule or whatever moved or something, basically when I get under high psi I can hear it and the needle shakes now, but I feel no difference in power from before.
 
GeneralChaos said:
well im not losing to him but its way closer then it should be.

I do have boost controll, but im only gaining like 2lbs....so maybe about 20hp.

now I think of it his interior is stripped....well like his spare tire and trunk crap, but it cant help THAT much.


I was thinking of checking for leaks and doing a compression test. Will have to wait untill I can go to his house tho since I dont have the tools for it.

but what do you guys think about crappy plugs and a clogged air filter? ive cleaned the filter once and it looked pretty hit.

I took my back seat out and spare and lost around 120, including lossing my stock amp and lighter aftermarket radio. As far as speed goes it helped a little(about the equivlent of 10hp :rolleyes: ) but it helped lauching and power delivery as I didnt nose up on accel, and the car rotates alot better now as well.

Oh and all turbo dsm's should be running high 14s stock any less is driver error or car problems both can be fixed :thumb:
Andrew
 
If you have a lot of play in the gas pedal, I would check the cable adjustment at the throttle body. If the adjustment is way off, the throttle might not open all the way when you go wot. Just look at it and see if it is the problem.
 
well.....


I put in some bpr6es plugs in there, it already had some nasty 7es in there, so the car does run smoother but not fast still. I was going to put a new fuel filter in, but it looks like a PITA to get to.

anyways after that and messing with my throttle some me and my friend go and decide to line em up, both fixed out tires, and he had 50psi in one of them LOL so he evened them out to around 25psi.

now heres the sad part, I knew my car felt a lot better running but it felt slow. we line up and go on 3 honks, he spins and I have IMO a good laungh, but guess what hes still right there with me. in the end I BARELY pulled enough on him to change lanes infront of him, and he probly let off a bit to let me over. We exchanged cars and both agreed that they felt almost exactly the same and that my car used to feel faster when I first got it. We messed with my throttle some more and now it feels faster, but I think my throttle cable is just messed up.

ALSO I have no idea what else is ghetto rigged like a mother fcuker in this car, everything seems to be, I know the guy had a different turbo and crap in there before I bought it (found his posts on here) but damn cmon now, alot of this crap is just hanging in there, or tubes going to nowhere, ect. More I look at the engine the more I just want to sell my soul to the 98+ camaro SS, tranny ws6 devil, and just get a 1st gen AWD as my fun/winter/beater car. I wanna keep in the 4 banger club but this is getting really demotivating....seriously.

any other suggestions on what I can try, havent tried comp check yet, nor boost leaks, havent had the time.
 
14.8 stock here. Do a tuneup and se what happens (plugs, wires, o2 sensor, oil, PCV, etc)
 
You could easily be getting knock or phantom knock which is pulling your timing. Do you have access to a logger?
 
my 90 awd ran about mid 14s with a k&n and 92 head and cams... i remember racing this hatchback civic with a type r swap and beating him. sounds like a similar problem that a local guy with an evo 8 is having ... he has a mostly stock evo w/ full exhaust but has to run like 15s (i beat him w/ my current car, 92 tsi fwd ... but my car runs high 13s)
 
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