magun stage 3 q's ???

[ItsStockOfficer]

If it is so easy then why aren't there more people doing it??? There are alot of factors that make it more complicated than just putting a few bolts together. If you dont have a good machine shop then no matter what you do it will fail. In AZ there is only one machine shop with a torque plate for a 4G63. With out that how are you going to compensate for the bores being out of round when you bolt the head on??? What happens if they order the pistons with the wrong pin height and your pistons dont fit right??? There are alot of factors that need to be checked. Then if all that is right how are you going to make sure that all the clearances are right when you get it home after it has been shipped and moved around?? You are going to doubel check before final assembly right?? With plastigauge?? I hope not. I have been into cars for along time and for a daily driver I could put together a small block and make it run, but I wouldnt even attempt to build a race motor, let alone a hybrid with forged components.

Since it is just that simple how many motor have you assembled and had run for a few thousand miles???

Michael

I don't want to get into the whole what we've done game but I have owned 4 DSM's, 2 in the 11's and worked shortly as a mechanic part time at 2 DSM shops, including working for Mueller at RRE and Ryan at RNR. I work on DSM's independently for a living now.

All you need to do is have a machine shop you trust. Have them make a torque plate. Its not hard. Nothings hard about it. It's nuts and bolts. Make a list, check it twice, and race the fuk on.

And you ALWAYS order your own parts, check the spec sheets, and deliver...and you always interview and ask the proper questions. Make sure they know one end of a mic from another.

I suppose the largest risk is knowing which machine shop you can trust, in all honesty. I personally don't assemble motors, I have them both machined and assembled by a trusted machine shop(I certainly CAN assemble, but assembly is generaly dirt cheap. And the customer pays for it, so why void the machine shops warranty for no reason?)...but it's the same in the end. Vendors knowledge, while important, is not crucial, anything they can do, a skilled machinist can do, without paying a rediculous premium. All the knowledge neesecary to build a blingtastic forged stroker is available for our perusal.

Sean

 

[insanewayne]

Man, you work on DSM's for a living independantly?! Do you do ok ? cuz that would be a sweet job...

Anyways yeh, what you've just said is exactly what i was thinkin, im going to have to start makin some machine shop visits now, so that when i get the $ I'll be ready to go.

Oh and hey do you have anything to say about the 2.4 hybrid from past experince? long rod? etc....cuz it sounds like you have some nice experience with our cars, Or any good pages for me to read?

Oh and thank you for the nice informative post, its appreciated.


wayne

 

[bigjangin]

get onto the dsm1gina2g and 4g64 yahoo groups, also there is a large thread on the 2.4 on dsmtalk

 

[insanewayne]

Great, thanks alot man

Wayne

 

[DSMJim]

It is that easy, don't perpetuate myth's of extreme difficulty, and it's the reason people pay 300% too much for engines. I mean, you pay a machine shop to do the machine work and then assembly is just bolts.

Deleted my own post. I'm just not going to bother before this turns into a fight.

 

[boostedinaz]

Deleted my own post. I'm just not going to bother before this turns into a fight.

Agreed.


We have heard just how easy it is to build a motor. So good luck and have fun.

Michael

 

[insanewayne]

Ok guys, i hear yeh, no need for a fight here, i appreciate your replies, and i know building a motor is no easy task, but I'm going to try my best to accomplish it, and get what i can from the experience

Thanks again for your time , and if u think of any more good sources of info, let me know

wayne