keep the gs or find gsx

[oneinsaneeclips]

i have a gs and i have it torn apart i have no money at all in it yet i planned on making it a turbo but it will require alot of work as this car is very rough so basically this car was basically free and it will cost about 3500 to get it right with turbo so keep it or get a gsx? the cheapest gsx i have found is around 8k is it really worth that i mean 8k i can have the gs around 450hp so what do you think

 

[SpeedFreak03]

Well your comparing apples and oranges IMO. If you drop $3500 into the GS you will have a 420A powered FWD turbo car, but with the GSX you will have a 4G63 powered AWD turbo car. I can find a GSX for less then $8000, where are you looking? If there aren't many in your area (which I assume) then it would be worth it to take a road trip to save a couple G's (or even consider getting the car shipped). For example on eBay motors I see a 95 GSX with only 75K miles with a couple mods (18'' tenzo 10spoke rims, lowering springs, shocks, RSR exhaust, 3'' DP, greddy BOV, and a nice stereo) in los angeles for $6500 buy it now.
Theres a 95 talon TSi AWD with 96K miles, bone stock but in excellent condition at $3550 with 13 hours left on the auction, in Jericho, NY. If you want the links PM me
Mods if this isn't ok then delete this part, im not selling the cars and I dunno who is but im showing him how cheap they can be if you look around.

Now this is just me, but think about it. If you drop that $3500 into the GS to turbo/fix it, you still end up with a Neon-motor-powered (the 420A is the neon motor right?) front wheel drive car (no offense to whoever did this, but im just tellin him my point of view). Now for $3500 you could find a GST or Talon TSi FWD, which has a 4G63 in it, so it will be more reliable with a turbo (the 4G63s are designed to have turbos but the 420a's arent so naturally the 4G63 would be more reliable with one).

You say you can have the GS up to 450HP with $8K. Well for how long? How long will that 420A motor and GS tranny last with 450HP?

What your best bet would be is to find a GST (or even a GSX if its cheap enough) with a blown motor. Then, take a 6-bolt, build it up if you have money, drop it in, and go from there. That way you will have a cheaper more reliable faster car!

 

[IMMORTALSPYDER]

You can find a 1G gsx for much cheaper than the 8G's

 

[DSMNightmare]

Not going to rip on either car here but look at this.

1. Your not going to get 450hp from a 420a DSM for under 10,000 bucks. If you don't believe me look up siueclipse on this board. He has well over 10,000 in the car and the best he does is 349hp.

2. If you go with the GSX you will have the AWD and you will have the 4G63 motor. Yes SOME 4G63s do get crankswalk BUT even if they do you can drop a 6bolt in the car for cheaper than it would be to turbo your 420a.


Keep this in mind... BOTH cars can be made to put down a lot of hp but it is going to be more expensive to do it one way over the other. Look at ALL the people here and on www.2gnt.com and see who is putting down over 400hp. Then come here and other places and look at all the people who are putting down 400hp. The 420a is a challenge to modify and you will have your work cut out for you but don't believe the hype behind the Hahn website. Yes Bill was able to make those numbers but that is not a typical result of most of the Hahn or Star Kits.

 

[oneinsaneeclips]

actually i can get 450hp with under 8k
here's how im not gonna give my prices cuz they are dealer cost but here goes
hrc stage2
turbonetics t66
spearco liquid cooled
walbro 255
550cc injectors
2.2 howell stroker kit
thermal coated pistons
100shot
turbonetics deltagate
with this setup i figure i will be around the 450 range at around 20psi
if i am wrong then corect me this is simply my calculations

 

[SpeedFreak03]

Yea you might get to 450 but then you have 2 problems that the GSX wouldnt give you:

1. Launching the car - 450HP in a FWD car should be fun

2. Your using nitrous, this puts a strain on that motor (that is already being strained from the turbo), and also it is possible to get 450HP out of the 4G63 WITHOUT spray (with tons of work tho and modding the internals). I'd rather have the power (almost) all the time instead of when I press a button, just my opinon tho.

But your not gonna have to pay $8K for the GSX, thats what Im saying. I'd say $4k-5K for a decent condition stock one, or for 4-5K you could build one up with a 6bolt (better choice).

Not to mention the fact that all those mods you listed, you will still be using the stock GS tranny! Do you think that the GS tranny/clutch will hold all that power? Yea right! Im not trying to flame you but you gotta take all this into consideration, it seems like you know how to make the power but you gotta remember the power needs to get to the wheels too!

 

[DSMNightmare]

Originally posted by oneinsaneeclips
actually i can get 450hp with under 8k
here's how im not gonna give my prices cuz they are dealer cost but here goes
hrc stage2
turbonetics t66
spearco liquid cooled
walbro 255
550cc injectors
2.2 howell stroker kit
thermal coated pistons
100shot
turbonetics deltagate
with this setup i figure i will be around the 450 range at around 20psi
if i am wrong then corect me this is simply my calculations

How the hell can you have a HRC stage 2 and a T66 and a liquid cooled intercooler? What you have mentioned so far would cost more than 8K

HRC stage 2 with FMIC 3500
T66 1000-1500 dollars
550 injectors (your stupid if you run a T66 with 550s) 250 bucks
Howell 2.2 stroker kit. 1300 dollars
100 shot of nitrous $650 -$800
Turbonetics Delta Gate. 200 bucks

None of this would include any type of labor or machining.

Just from reading this I can tell your new. there is a lot more that goes into it than just what you have listed here. If I were a betting man I would put more money on you blowing your engine before you hit 450hp just by what you have listed.

 

[DSMNightmare]

Originally posted by SpeedFreak03
Yea you might get to 450 but then you have 2 problems that the GSX wouldnt give you:

1. Launching the car - 450HP in a FWD car should be fun

2. Your using nitrous, this puts a strain on that motor (that is already being strained from the turbo), and also it is possible to get 450HP out of the 4G63 WITHOUT spray (with tons of work tho and modding the internals). I'd rather have the power (almost) all the time instead of when I press a button, just my opinon tho.

But your not gonna have to pay $8K for the GSX, thats what Im saying. I'd say $4k-5K for a decent condition stock one, or for 4-5K you could build one up with a 6bolt (better choice).

Not to mention the fact that all those mods you listed, you will still be using the stock GS tranny! Do you think that the GS tranny/clutch will hold all that power? Yea right! Im not trying to flame you but you gotta take all this into consideration, it seems like you know how to make the power but you gotta remember the power needs to get to the wheels too!

There are several folks who have gotten 400-450hp from a stock long block on a 4G63. The GS tranny will hold 400-500hp but thats not the problem. The weak link in the GS is the axles which snap for SOME people around 300hp. Easily fixed with a set of 500-700 dollar driveshaftshop.com axles.

Making power takes more than just listing parts. The largest turbo I have ever seen ran on a 420a is a 25G but that was on a neon and the 25G is not as big as a T66 if I'm not mistaken.

oneinsaneeclips: If your that confident you can make that power with those mods then by all means go ahead but from what you have written so far you need to do more research before you start. I suggest hitting up the guys at www.2gnt.com.

 

[oneinsaneeclips]

ok well first off take all those prices and cut them in half or better i run a speed shop so all the stuff i listed actually costs a total of 4300 my cost im gonna leave that at that and yes i am new to dsm's i have been building hondas for years but as for dsm i just recently got into it cuz the market seems to be good in dsm's

 

[oneinsaneeclips]

HRC stage 2 with FMIC 3500/1799
T66 1000-1500 dollars/750
550 injectors (your stupid if you run a T66 with 550s) 250 bucks/189
Howell 2.2 stroker kit. 1300 dollars/1040
100 shot of nitrous $650 -$800/360
Turbonetics Delta Gate. 200 bucks/130
ok thats 4268 without axles or anything thats my prices so there ya go with everything i figure i will need it will be in the 6k-8k range

and also the hrc stage 2 im not using the turbo or the intercooler just the piping and manifold
im using the spearco intercooler liquid cooled i think it is well worth the money

 

[DSMNightmare]

Originally posted by oneinsaneeclips
HRC stage 2 with FMIC 3500/1799
T66 1000-1500 dollars/750
550 injectors (your stupid if you run a T66 with 550s) 250 bucks/189
Howell 2.2 stroker kit. 1300 dollars/1040
100 shot of nitrous $650 -$800/360
Turbonetics Delta Gate. 200 bucks/130
ok thats 4268 without axles or anything thats my prices so there ya go with everything i figure i will need it will be in the 6k-8k range

and also the hrc stage 2 im not using the turbo or the intercooler just the piping and manifold
im using the spearco intercooler liquid cooled i think it is well worth the money

Dude, why would you even buy from HRC if all you need is the manifold and piping. If you own a speed shop then you should be able to make your own piping. Also unless you have spoken to Bill Hahn and have a vendor agreement with HRC then your not getting the stage 2 for half. Just curious, what speed shop do you run and how fast have you gotten your Hondas to go?

Finally if you own a speed shop and already have modding experience why would you even ask us?

 

[TurBoGs-T]

GSX!!!!

 

[oneinsaneeclips]

i dont own a shop i just run one.
that is our price for the hrc kit
ae are a small shop dont have the equipment to make the piping
and my hondas have run 6's in the 1/8 quite a few
and the rason i ask is because i build hondas but i am wanting to get into dsm's mainly because there is more potential in a dsm then a rex or hatch

 

[Defiant]

Originally posted by oneinsaneeclips
the cheapest gsx i have found is around 8k

That's a couple-grand high. Being biased as I am, I too say the GSX / Talon AWD. Or, if you like the 1G, a whole lot less. I have both, and they are NOT very similar cars. The 1G is built much more solidly, but I just like the 2G more.

 

[herostar]

I bought my gsx about 2 years ago for 6000...

on your turboed nitroused 420a you'll also need some kind of head work and deffinately other little things... don't forget all the gauges, tuning, fuel pump... all the little things add up really fast

 

[DSMNightmare]

Originally posted by oneinsaneeclips
i dont own a shop i just run one.
that is our price for the hrc kit
ae are a small shop dont have the equipment to make the piping
and my hondas have run 6's in the 1/8 quite a few
and the rason i ask is because i build hondas but i am wanting to get into dsm's mainly because there is more potential in a dsm then a rex or hatch

With that being said and at the risk of upseting the masses. I'm going to tell you now that a 420a DSM really does not have the potential to out run a FD or a Supra if your talking about anyone who has put any serious cash into thier FD or Supra. Bill runs 10.80s with the HRC RS. That is with 150shot of nitrous. Without it he runs low 12s high 11s. Compare that to Marco Passante, John Shepard, and quite a few other AWDs. Don't get me wrong Bill does a great job with that car but it is hardly streetable. Your best chance is with a AWD 1G or a AWD 2G if your goal is to beat FDs and Supras. Sure you could try the 25G on your car but I personally would not run it until I see HRC put it on the RS.

 

[DSMNightmare]

Besides like I said before, this thread does not seem like you are asking us anything but rather you are just bragging about what your are going to do to your 420a. Still have not said what shop you work for either.

 

[oneinsaneeclips]

well first off i work at fusion motorsports in charlotte nc
and 2nd if you look at my first post it said nothing about what i had planned to do not until someone said i could not get 400+ under 8k i was not braggin at all i have absolutely nothing worth braggin about
cept my stang waxed a vette this i dont think he was in it hard though but i do have a question this morning i was trying to pull the oil pan and there is a crossmember in my way i took a pic of it so you know exactly the one im referring to there is a link to it below, well and 1 motor mount and this cross member is attached to the front motor mount so is there a trick to getting the oil pan off without removing this crossmember
and also from the the pics does it look like i have ANYTHING at all to brag about...

http://f2.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/fusionmotorsports2004/my_photos

 

[oneinsaneeclips]

after reading all your post i think im just gonna rebuild the gs and the laser back stock that should not cost too much throw a wing on them and a set of cheap adr's and sell them to some kid and buy a gsx i think tommorrow i may change my mind again but i do agree the gsx seems as though it has alot more potential

 

[DSMNightmare]

Wow, that is a clean looking 4G63. Did you powder coat the valve cover or did you anodize it? Also I did not mean to come off rude, you just have to understand that abouce once a week on here someone comes claiming to make 400+ hp with either motor and I would say less than 5% actually get to 300hp.

Looks like your going to have some body work to do with that GS as well as wheels and tires. Good luck in whatever path you choose.

 

[oneinsaneeclips]

its cool, i understand

yea there is a bit of body work but i have new fenders, cf hood, and a new hatch and i have alot of wheels readily accesible i get the adr wheels ridiculously cheap

 

[importcrazy]

get a gsx!