Is this 16g upgrade kit worth it?

[rob1621]

TurboKits.com 90, 94, 95, 99, Mitsubishi Eclipse GST / GSX Turbo Upgrades

Its the first one to the top, would it be cheaper to buy everything seprate or is this a good buy in the future?

 

[cruisintalonawd]

Look good except for no warrenty

 

[dSmgs-T]

doesnt seem like a bad deal at all. just make sure they really are MITSU turbos and not knock offs. also, go with the big evo 16g!

 

[Twistaye]

I'll go ahead and vouch for this turbo kit. Unfortunately you missed out! It was called the "2g Solution" and they were on sale for $799 shipped about 2 months ago. Friend bought it and put it on his 95 TSi AWD, everything was in good shape and packaged well. The turbo has been going for over 16,000 miles strong with no shaftsplay and it was a real mitsu turbo. He's actually selling his turbo setup right now to go with something special !

And as far as I can tell there's no warranty ! Sucks but that's life!

 

[pur97tsifwd]

yea that is a very nice kit for a 2g go with the evo 16g spools up fast and makes the most power of the three. Also the manifold is nice piece better then stock 2g and it is all priced very resonable.

 

[dsm-onster]

What are your goals? The small 16g may be best for you or the evo3 16g may be best. . . Depends where you want to go. The small 16g BY FAR spools the fastest. And the compressor flows over 38lbs/min based on the map and experience. Some have pushed it farther.

I've bought everything cheaper buying used parts seperately (except for the new turbo).

New small 16g $550
evo3 exhaust maifold $100
jpipe $15
return line $25
feed line $10
Used original bolts and gaskets

$200 less. No sealing problems, and pushed 36+ lbs/min in 16g glory!

 

[Badgst96]

Go for it buddy but make sure you get the BIG 16G EVO III ha ha.. And dont worry the turbos they sell there are 100% REAL.. NO FAKES!! Good luck buddy!!

 

[dsm-onster]

Gees, why is the small 16g and regular big 16g so evil?

 

[rob1621]

well what i plan on having is...

turboback exhaust
intake
walbro 190 fuel pump
550cc injectors
that turbo upgrade kit.

and all tuned on a AWD dyno. no SAFC or whatever.

and possibly a front mount.

so what turbo should i go with, i havent really had time to research them.

i want anything from 300-320whp.

 

[dsm-onster]

The evo3 16g is a waste of spool speed. The small 16g will do this with ease and will have PLENTY left for a much more strenuous goal. The hotside of ALL the 16g turbos are identical. Therefore, up to a certain boost/airflow, there is no horsepower difference. The small 16g offers a VERY efficient compressor. It will take less turbine wheel energy to achieve a certain pressure ratio. Add this to a much smaller diameter compressor, and you see why the small 16g achieves boost threshold so very fast.

Besides, the small 16g can be pushed beyond what your 190lph fuel pump and 550s can deliver as well. Anything bigger is a waste of spool speed.

How are you going to tune if you don't use an safc? How are you even going to correct for 550cc injectors using a factory tune?

 

[keithscianna]

well what i plan on having is...

turboback exhaust
intake
walbro 190 fuel pump
550cc injectors
that turbo upgrade kit.

and all tuned on a AWD dyno. no SAFC or whatever.


What are you tuning with? DSM link?

 

[rob1621]

....i was talking to this "dsm-er" at a gas station and he said i dont need to tune with those things i could just take it to a place and get it dynoed and tuned there....

 

[dsm-onster]

Your dyno shop will charge you for an eprom and the tuning technique it allows. Or charge you for the safc it will install plus their mark-up. Or charge you LOTS for an aem engine management system to tune.

. . . At least he was good at pumping gas. I mean, he didn't get any on you or anything, right?

 

[ApexVIII]

The evo3 16g is a waste of spool speed. The small 16g will do this with ease and will have PLENTY left for a much more strenuous goal. The hotside of ALL the 16g turbos are identical. Therefore, up to a certain boost/airflow, there is no horsepower difference. The small 16g offers a VERY efficient compressor. It will take less turbine wheel energy to achieve a certain pressure ratio. Add this to a much smaller diameter compressor, and you see why the small 16g achieves boost threshold so very fast.

Besides, the small 16g can be pushed beyond what your 190lph fuel pump and 550s can deliver as well. Anything bigger is a waste of spool speed.

How are you going to tune if you don't use an safc? How are you even going to correct for 550cc injectors using a factory tune?

well the E16g is a little different. i think the wheel is a little larger, and the housing is shaped a little different

but not much i got a B16g that i ported my self

 

[dsm-onster]

No. The only difference is the compressor wheel.

The turbine housing and wheel and compressor housing is all the same with all the non-reversed scroll 16G turbos. The evo3 16g only shines where the other 16g turbos start to loose flow. Under that flow level, the small 16g matches and spools faster.

 

[the_mork]

I really hate to argue with a wiseman but this is from forced performance

"The EVO3 Big 16G features a slightly larger compressor wheel than the previous Big 16G. It also uses an improved turbine housing design, which offers better boost control, direct fitment with the EVO3 O2 housing, and weighs in 2.75 lbs lighter than the old style 7cm housings"

Now it is my understanding that some of the early evoIII turbos came with the original 16g thick wall in which case they would be the same but new ones shouldn't be.

 

[dsm-onster]

Don't be afraid to question a wiseman. But, just listen to what any site leader says. We're definately NOT perfect.

Fp bolts on a non-MHI turbine housing. The MHI evo3 16g turbine housing uses a better metal alloy but was otherwise shaped like all the other 16g turbine housings, i.e. "the old style 7cm housings". There is no performance increase on this end. The fp unit is supposed to do better with boost creap. It could have a larger flapper or better trasition to the wastegate or both. But the performance is the same.

Again, the only difference between the non-reverse scroll 16G turbos is the compressor wheel. Same old turbine wheel found in the little 14b. And all having the same turbine housing shape (a/r).

Now you can upgrade to a td06 compressor housing. This widens the map and increases peak flow. But this is really only worth it for the evo3 16g wheel, which flows around 42 lbs/min peak for 99% of us.

The td05h 8cm^2 turbine housing is a upgrade, but you'll have to use a t3 manifold flange and really only gives unnecessary lag for anything but possibly the evo3 16g compressor, which PERHAPS flows enough to benefit from the extra exhaust flow potential.

 

[the_mork]

Since the OPs question has been answered I hope my little threadjack isn't too bad here, but do you have any experience with the M trim from slowboy? They claim that its a great E16g replacement because its the same cost but has greater potential but on their own dyno testing it appeared to provide significantly less HP are they claiming that it makes geater gains at boost above their own testing or are they just full of it, or am I missing something? http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...8481-internally-gated-turbos-tested-dyno.html

 

[dsm-onster]

The internal gate blows open. If you run an external, you will likely not see the boost drop off so bad. But that will negate it's benefit of being as affordable as the evo3 16g.

Rob1621, which turbo are you going to buy?

 

[rob1621]

i dont know yet. I havent done any research on teh turbos yet. i dont really have money right now so after the summer i will be looking into it some more.

 

[rob1621]

so its pretty much winter now..and i still dont have the money, well i did, but then personal family stuff got in the way and i had to give it all away :'( . But i have raised my goal to around 350whp. And i think im goin with the EVOIII 16g. with a walbro 255 and 650 injectors. i will probably get a SAFC to tune with as soon as i figure out how it all works (If any one can point me in the direction where i can learn about it and tuning with it or dsmlink or datalogger, because i kind of dont know anything about it...) But i plan on doing most if not all by july or august.

a little side question: what the average mpg after all this?

 

[JusMX141]

Big 16G vs. Evo III 16G:

- The Big 16G's turbine housing outlet is around 2" while the Evo III 16G turbine housing outlet is closer to 2.5". This means that if you are using an unported o2 housing on an Evo III 16G, you've created a huge bottleneck.

- The Evo III 16G's compressor wheel is .010" bigger than the Big 16G's- that's the thickness of two sheets of notebook paper. The Evo III compressor wheel does have a smaller "hub" area in the center, so the fins are longer....achieving a better flow.

- The Evo III 16G's compressor blades are half the thickness of the Big 16G's compressor blades. Great for spool, bad for durability. It doesn't take much to wipe out an Evo III compressor wheel.

- The Evo III 16G's turbine housing has a higher nickel content than the plain 7cm2 housing. This is great for crack resistance....but bad for threaded holes. I've repaired damaged bolt holes on Evo III housings more than any other housing because the threads like to pull out.


Don't be fooled by the "Evo III" knockoff's on eBay...they don't deserve to even carry the "Evo III" branding. The wheels are the same spec (most of the time), but the compressor wheel is heavier and weaker than both the MHI Big 16G and MHI Evo III 16G. They're built from sub-par internals, and are normally assembled unbalanced.

 

[92ts1]

so its pretty much winter now..and i still dont have the money, well i did, but then personal family stuff got in the way and i had to give it all away :'( . But i have raised my goal to around 350whp. And i think im goin with the EVOIII 16g. with a walbro 255 and 650 injectors. i will probably get a SAFC to tune with as soon as i figure out how it all works (If any one can point me in the direction where i can learn about it and tuning with it or dsmlink or datalogger, because i kind of dont know anything about it...) But i plan on doing most if not all by july or august.

a little side question: what the average mpg after all this?

Honestly, I have a EvoIII and I love it, spools quick to 20 psi with no problem, getting ready to push it and my bottom end to the limit when summer comes.
If I were you and looking for a good reliable tune, and wanting to learn how to tune I would steer away from an SAFC and just go with DSMLink. Like many have said before, SAFC can not adjust as well as DSMLink, you may have idle/running problems with an SAFC. DSMlink idles and drives just like factory. You can make the adjustments for added fuel pressure through global adjustment and deadtime adjustment. DSMLink is easy to work with and makes more power than and SAFC. You get timing adjustment, nitrous adjustment, 2-step, anti-lag, and much more that you don't get with an SAFC...

 

[rob1621]

hmm, well seein how i will probably get a dsmlink even tho i dont know how to use one. i will also need to get alaptop, so maybe a little later than july maybe sept or oct. but still leaves alot of time for research. I want to figure out how to use everything etc.....