is my starter fried?

[peon_slayer]

ok so when i go to start my car i can hear a clicking, if i go to the solenoid under the radio it clicks... iis it bad?


or

when i removed the sstarter to see if it was seized ( which it was not ) the only way i could get it to spin with power was if i had a jumper between the relay right on the starter and the powwer wire right on the starter


now can someone please tell me what is wrong with my car so i can start driving it again... everything else is exactly 100%

anybody.../ come on guys throw a gog a bone here i need my car back.

 

[psiaddict]

ok so when i go to start my car i can hear a clicking, if i go to the solenoid under the radio it clicks... iis it bad? .

If the starter relay under the radio is clicking, it sounds like it is working, you could always test the output with a multi-meter… but generally if you hear a rely click…it is usually working.

when i removed the sstarter to see if it was seized ( which it was not ) the only way i could get it to spin with power was if i had a jumper between the relay right on the starter and the powwer wire right on the starter

anybody.../ come on guys throw a gog a bone here i need my car back.

Here is a list of items to check for a no start situation:

• Battery condition (charged? can supply correct current?)
• Battery Connections (loose/corroded?)
• Ignition switch (supplies power to starter/relay?)
• Starter relay (closes contacts when power is supplied to coil?)
• Anti-Theft relay – Option - (closes contacts when power is supplied to coil?)
• Clutch pedal position switch (M/T) OR Park/ Neutral position switch (A/T)
• Starter cable (damage/break?)
• Starter solenoid (moves in and out when voltage supplied?)
• Starter motor (locked up or cannot move load?)
• Engine rotation (excessive resistance?)

Normally there is battery power to the B-terminal on the solenoid and Ignition-switch power to the S-terminal…the test you mentioned sounds like to starter motor is working correctly when you apply the jumper. Maybe the starter solenoid is going bad? Did the solenoid move it in and out when the key is switched?

The list above is generic list but may give you more ideas to try… good luck

 

[slickers111]

Hmm. Sounds like your starter isnt getting enough power.
Follow the line(If you can) or check the voltage of the line.
Also, make sure the Power and ground cables to the starter are tight.
My power wire was loose, and it did the same thing.

 

[peon_slayer]

Here is a list of items to check for a no start situation:

• Ignition switch (supplies power to starter/relay?)
• Starter relay (closes contacts when power is supplied to coil?)
• Starter cable (damage/break?)
• Starter solenoid (moves in and out when voltage supplied?)

those are the ones i will check, cause the other ones i know are all good. but i have some qquestions

how do i test my ignition switch?
and what do you mean by does the starter solenoid move in and out...?

Hmm. Sounds like your starter isnt getting enough power.
Follow the line(If you can) or check the voltage of the line.
Also, make sure the Power and ground cables to the starter are tight.
My power wire was loose, and it did the same thing.

will do thanks for the help.



also will having a blown alt. relay cause it not to start? cause i know i need one of those.

 

[slickers111]

No, It will start. But your battery is used to only start the car, once the car is running, everything else runs off the alternator.

 

[talon1616]

try this. Get somebody to try to start car while your hitting the starter with like a wrench or something.It actually works. and if that works then you should probably get a new starter. But that will get your car started and running. just trying tapping it while they try to start it. tell me how it goes.

 

[peon_slayer]

well i hooked a aligator clip up to the the peice where a little black clip hooks up to on the back of the starter and put it to the power terminal on the battery and it turned over... now i am not getting spark... fml may just be bad wires though cause i had spark the first time but not the next.. i just wanna hear my baby run again is that too much to ask...




thanks for the help guys but i still need some thoughts

 

[DSMnoobsause]

did you check any fuses yet? are you getting power from the ign start wire to the starter? (the little black clip on the starter)
if the relay is working that's good but you have 2 parts to complete. the relay completes the circuit for the ign start wire. but if there is no power on the ign start side it will not turn the car over.
so check your fuses.

 

[joegamma1]

Also; if you are jumping the wire on the spade terminal you must have the key on to get the engine to start, My starter was acting up as well and I tested the solenoid with a wire to the spade terminal as well and determined that it was corroded(seeing as how the car is15+ yrs old), so I attached and removed the wire to the terminal on the starter several times(to scrape off any corrosion) and I havent had a problem since.
Good luck.

 

[peon_slayer]

all fuses checked out fine and the relay under the radio too...i may just run new wires from the starter to the igniotion but i dont like hack jobs...

 

[bsbllfit7]

mine starts when cold or relatively cold but when the engine is hot this will happen, i have been told it is the starter. I also have the starter whirring sound that is known to happen on these starters.

 

[steve]

If the starter relay under the radio is clicking, it sounds like it is working, you could always test the output with a multi-meter… but generally if you hear a rely click…it is usually working.

But the way the starter relay is used on a DSM's is to disable the signal from reaching the starter solenoid so start relay clicking means that the car isn't going to crank the engine.

Time to look at why the starter relay is activating. On manual cars it's connected to the Clutch Safety Switch and activates when the clutch isn't pushed in while starting. On automatics it's used to disable the starter while the transmission is in gear. If the car is equipped with the factory theft alarm, that system can also activate the starter relay.

 

[peon_slayer]

its a manual and does not have anti theft... so i take it i have to locate my clutch safety switch and unhook it? or am i on the wrong thought process

 

[steve]

That would be a quick test.

You might want to also follow http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/newbie-forum/376381-unique-starter-relay-problem.html since he's also having a problem with the 2G starter relay.

 

[Cogs]

its a manual and does not have anti theft... so i take it i have to locate my clutch safety switch and unhook it? or am i on the wrong thought process

I'm in the middle of this too. I'd try disconnecting the clutch switch to further isolate the problem. Follow your clutch pedal up towards its hinge. You'll see the connector for the safety switch there. Once disconnected, try starting the car normally and see what happens. If it starts right up, your clutch safety switch is broken.

Cheers and good luck