I wanna a turbo!!*help*

[Ramoyer1]

OK here is my turbo * http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...60042671844&rd=1&sspagename=STRK:MEWA:IT&rd=1 *



It says it comes with-
t3/t4 turbo
(manifold not included)
38mm Tail style wastegate

intercooler
intercooler piping
FMIC
JDM type-s style BOV
Boost Controller

My question is what more in needed and what boost to run on a motor that has 151,*** miles on it....The motor is very strong no leaks nothing.

 

[DsmKid98GST]

190lph fuelpump or 255lp fuelpump w/ AFPR
Exhaust Manifold
I assume all the lines for oil are included. If not, you need the lines for oil.
bigger injectors since you plan on running a t3/t4
engine management piggyback/logger dsmlink ect. to control the fuelpump / injectors
gauges boost +a/f or wideband 02
I believe you need a 3" coupler for that t3/t4 - new intake + coupler
Looks like the wastegate is external, buy or make a dump tube.

My brain farted and I don't remember anything else. I planned on turboing a eclipse rs but this was years ago. A little searching might do us both good to refresh our memories. This info should get you started I'm sure others will chime in or correct some of my parts.

 

[Dasamary]

Did you say you wanted cheap parts to blow up your engine? J/K

If you love your car and want to keep it I would reccomend you stay away from this particular set-up. Typically a new T3/T4 Turbo is about $500-$700 for a quality piece. The intercooler core is about $500 for a quality piece. The piping for your car would run another $500 or so. The wastegate is about $200 or so the boost controller about $80.....What you are looking at is a great deal on ebay; but putting cheap parts that potentially could fail w/o any backing of a warrenty will have you sitting on the side of the road one day looking at your ride wondering why its smoking like a campfire. Ive read posts on some of the E-bay turbos and they either get very early shaft play or the nut flies off and blows out the fins on the turbo. The intercooler piping won't fit your car w/o extensive mods.

If this isn't your daily driver, and you don't care about the risks involved then go ahead and see what happens. I would reccomend you tear about that BOV and see what seals it has in it. Ive heard they leak some.

 

[carsaval]

please stop, please dont tell em you have already purchased this kit. If so go ahead I'll be passing you while your on the side of the road cussing. The 420a motor is not made for boost. I have a friend here in oklahoma who has dumped 9gs into his rs. body, turbo, fuel, management. He is running a 20g and i think 650s or 750s, he had his engine built, etc. He is making 300 hp. on a setup that would get the 4g63 to about 500. Why did this happen, because those cars are not made for boost. And the fact that apparently he says there is no good tuning devices for them. I met another kid who is going to do what your going to do, honestly this is what he told me when i asked him how he was going to controll his engine. He said ahhh havent you seen fast and the furious, the eclipse in that was a 420a, they said it had a stand alone duh. i walked away at that point seeing nothing but a hopeless tool in front of me. HOWEVER if this is what you want then please give it your best try I'm not trying to hate on the 420a im sure that it had its purpose, Just warning you i have heard nothing but horror stories. But if you can ovecome this shortcomings and make it a RELIABLE set-up do tell us about it cause i like anything fast even the turbo geo storms those are pretty cool.

 

[1gjosh]

please stop, please dont tell em you have already purchased this kit. If so go ahead I'll be passing you while your on the side of the road cussing. The 420a motor is not made for boost. I have a friend here in oklahoma who has dumped 9gs into his rs. body, turbo, fuel, management. He is running a 20g and i think 650s or 750s, he had his engine built, etc. He is making 300 hp. on a setup that would get the 4g63 to about 500. Why did this happen, because those cars are not made for boost. And the fact that apparently he says there is no good tuning devices for them. I met another kid who is going to do what your going to do, honestly this is what he told me when i asked him how he was going to controll his engine. He said ahhh havent you seen fast and the furious, the eclipse in that was a 420a, they said it had a stand alone duh. i walked away at that point seeing nothing but a hopeless tool in front of me. HOWEVER if this is what you want then please give it your best try I'm not trying to hate on the 420a im sure that it had its purpose, Just warning you i have heard nothing but horror stories. But if you can ovecome this shortcomings and make it a RELIABLE set-up do tell us about it cause i like anything fast even the turbo geo storms those are pretty cool.

besides what he said. this turbo that your looking at lasted my buddy with a 90 laser 45 minutes before it seized. Yes 45 minutes thats it. It would not move at all. Done.

 

[WMD]

please stop, please dont tell em you have already purchased this kit. If so go ahead I'll be passing you while your on the side of the road cussing. The 420a motor is not made for boost. I have a friend here in oklahoma who has dumped 9gs into his rs. body, turbo, fuel, management. He is running a 20g and i think 650s or 750s, he had his engine built, etc. He is making 300 hp. on a setup that would get the 4g63 to about 500. Why did this happen, because those cars are not made for boost. And the fact that apparently he says there is no good tuning devices for them. I met another kid who is going to do what your going to do, honestly this is what he told me when i asked him how he was going to controll his engine. He said ahhh havent you seen fast and the furious, the eclipse in that was a 420a, they said it had a stand alone duh. i walked away at that point seeing nothing but a hopeless tool in front of me. HOWEVER if this is what you want then please give it your best try I'm not trying to hate on the 420a im sure that it had its purpose, Just warning you i have heard nothing but horror stories. But if you can ovecome this shortcomings and make it a RELIABLE set-up do tell us about it cause i like anything fast even the turbo geo storms those are pretty cool.

No, you please stop. Go to the turbo 420a forum and read all of the "horror stories" from people who know what their doing. The only people who blow the 420a with boost are the ones without the proper knowledge, and the occasional mishap.

And to the orginal poster, there was a thread concernig this very setup a few days ago. If you want a t3 setup, find a blown one for cheap and rebuild it yourself, this will save you a decent amount of cash. Your also going to want to get a good quailty manifold which will not crack as easly as the one in that auction will. If you read this sellers feedback and some others which do similar buisness, you will see the maifolds crack after a very small amount of use.

And of course, the forums here and at www.2gnt.com will yield all answers to your asked questions.

Edit: well I guess from your first statement it looks like you bought this kit already(?possibly?). Please do a write up on it after you get a few miles on the kit so we can see how it performs.

 

[carsaval]

well oky doky, so if someone with an expert level of air and fuel timing control and knowledge decides to turbo a 420a then its cool. GOTCHA. I never said its impossible just that the truth is without the proper tunning things can and will go very wrong. But then again same can be true for anything turbo charged. but for under 500 bucks even if it lasted him 5min i think he would be happy . J/K i wish you the best of luck i already gave my 2 cents and thats about all its worth. I am actually curious to see the gains you get from turbo charging the 420a so far in the threads that i have seen you will be happy to push 200 whp. MY fellow boost head i can only say GOOD LUCK.

 

[PieEyedPiper]

You'll notice the conflict in the above posts.
One post can be summed up as "420a's rock the hizzouse" while the one right before it can be sumamrized as "don't waste your time".

Whats not clearly being said here is that yes, turboing a 420a is possible and many many have done it with success. The thing is, no one does it with an eBay kit (or at least very few) and that's because of the low quality of the eBay turbos and lack of warranty support.

With a project like this I urge you to buy a real setup from a real vendor.
Good luck.

 

[Phalanx99]

Well, I know that many people turboed their 420a successfully but how much boost are they running ? 420a is not a decent engine like 4g63. I doubt that it will hold over 12psi of boost constantly. Like my 4G64, it can only hold up to 12psi of boost and never ever go over that or the pistons will be melted.
300hp is possible on any 2.0L engine but more than that .... hmmm. Need to rebuild the motor and did some supporting mods for sure. Anybody here who turboed their 420a and running over 12psi of boost with bone stock engine ? I will be interested to know.

 

[98gst14b]

dont ever buy a turbo from ebay, my last ebay turbo lasted 13 days. FMIC kits are nice though.

 

[wvturbo2]

if your going to turbo a non turbo eclipse i recommend at least getting a 3rd gen or a sypder. The 4g64 has way more potential than any 420a and on another note you have 150 some k on ## motor rebuild it have a nice daily driver. Also you get what you pay for, you would be better off saving up and geting a gs-t or a gsx of any year it will be faster and not have the problems. Regardless i hope that your project turns out for the best. PLEASE PLEASE KEEP US UPDATED, I'm sure everyone wants to know how this one turns out.

 

[WMD]

The thing is, no one does it with an eBay kit (or at least very few) and that's because of the low quality of the eBay turbos and lack of warranty support.

You’re absolutely right. No one can sustain high levels of performance with cheap parts (there are always some exceptions to this), Especially with a turbo, which is a precision balanced device.

BTW 420a's do rock the hizzouse

 

[dsmclipse97]

BTW 420a's do rock the hizzouse

2 1/2 years and ive had to replace almost nothing (tires dont count) on my 420A. yes the 420a DOES rock the hizzouse. You want boost? then keep it low and the car will stay reliable but anything over 10-12 psi and a rebuild with forged internals is required.

And the fact that apparently he says there is no good tuning devices for them. I met another kid who is going to do what your going to do, honestly this is what he told me when i asked him how he was going to controll his engine. He said ahhh havent you seen fast and the furious, the eclipse in that was a 420a, they said it had a stand alone duh.

please dont talk unless you know what your talking about. AEM makes a very good (on par with DSMlink) universal EMS. its just a tad bit expensive. I have heard however, that ebay kits take some custom fabrication to make them fit. ebay turbos are a gamble but good luck with yours, hope it works out.