I need a proven members advice.

[eagletalon4life]

Here is the deal, i need to run mid 13's end of story. I am new to forums and dsm's, but not new to engines. here are a list of mods i have already done. How ever keep in mind i have been tinkering on my babe on and off since high school. please suggest injector size, engine management, any thing else in your opinion that will help me achieve my goal. i am running into fuel cut i think.

90 eagle talon awd 5 speed fully striped down to race weight.
Fpr.
255lph pump.
pocket logger.
e prom
T3/T4 turbo
tail 40mm external wast gate
tubular manifold
3" costum down pipe side exit.
eliminated balance shafts
fresh rebuilt engine .40 over stock type pistons
.10 milled head stock valve train
fmic
eBay bov

 

[tallywacker]

Here is the deal, i need to run mid 13's end of story. I am new to forums and dsm's, but not new to engines. here are a list of mods i have already done. How ever keep in mind i have been tinkering on my babe on and off since high school. please suggest injector size, engine management, any thing else in your opinion that will help me achieve my goal. i am running into fuel cut i think.

90 eagle talon awd 5 speed fully striped down to race weight.
Fpr.
255lph pump.
pocket logger.
e prom
T3/T4 turbo
tail 40mm external wast gate
tubular manifold
3" costum down pipe side exit.
eliminated balance shafts
fresh rebuilt engine .40 over stock type pistons
.10 milled head stock valve train
fmic
eBay bov

ECMTuning, Inc. <---engine management

Once you have that you can really run as big as injectors as you like and will be able to do much better than 13's.

 

[BogusSVO]

wow, how did you bore your engine .40 thats over 3/8ths of an inch!! Or do you mean .040??

and if you milled the head .10 almost an 1/8th of an inch,then your compression ought to be high.... or there again did you mean .010...

it makes a big diffrence in the math if you do not post proper measurements.

over all it sounds like you have what you need to get 13s... but you did not say how much boost or what size injectors you have.
also it would be helpfull if you posted what time you have run as of now...

 

[1stGenTSi]

Sounds like an ebay turbo so... good luck with that.

 

[eagletalon4life]

wow, how did you bore your engine .40 thats over 3/8ths of an inch!! Or do you mean .040??

and if you milled the head .10 almost an 1/8th of an inch,then your compression ought to be high.... or there again did you mean .010...

it makes a big diffrence in the math if you do not post proper measurements.

over all it sounds like you have what you need to get 13s... but you did not say how much boost or what size injectors you have.
also it would be helpfull if you posted what time you have run as of now...

Very sorry, .040 over sized pistons, and head milled .010. I have been working double shifts all weekend and i am very tired i apologize for the mistake. Your opinions are hightly respected.
I have stock injectors i bleave there 450cc. However I am not sure what kind of HP ill need to put my car deep into the 13's Witch is why im here. Is getting my hands on a set of 750's going to support 20psi or should i go bigger?? thanks

 

[95blackGsTurbo]

Mid 13's:
MBC
550cc inj.
SAFC
Turboback Exhaust

You are WAY over modded if you just want 13's. You can run 13's for less than $300.

 

[GSXSixteenG]

The driver is more important then the mods. Looks like you have a good idea. T3/T4 turbo is kinda a vague description and could be anything from really big to small...

 

[eagletalon4life]

Mid 13's:
MBC
550cc inj.
SAFC
Turboback Exhaust

You are WAY over modded if you just want 13's. You can run 13's for less than $300.

Wow that sounds grate but i want to do things right, that being said Can i run my stock maf? I dont want to, but ive been reading mixed reviews on the gm maft and im new to the tuning part.
What do u think about used injector and safc to start me out?
Thank u.

 

[GSXSixteenG]

Wow that sounds grate but i want to do things right, that being said Can i run my stock maf? I dont want to, but ive been reading mixed reviews on the gm maft and im new to the tuning part.
What do u think about used injector and safc to start me out?
Thank u.

Just get a 2g maf and you'll be fine.

 

[eagletalon4life]

The driver is more important then the mods. Looks like you have a good idea. T3/T4 turbo is kinda a vague description and could be anything from really big to small...

the flow charf was good for 401hp.

Turbine = .64 A.R.,
Compressor Trim = 57

 

[dsm8883]

what brand turbo?

 

[tkelly27]

Jackal, keydiver chip, and an afc are all cheaper than ecmlink, and all will get you to 13's and beyond. You can find info on jackal here
DS-MAP.NET &bull; Index page

Keydiver chip info is here
DSMChips.com | DSM ECU Chips Enchanced by Keydiver

you can find lots of info on the afc by looking around here.

You can run 13's on stock 450cc injectors. If you get an AFC you are limited to ~650cc injectors, with jackal, link, or a chip you can run in the 1000cc range like stock.

With a MBC and a 14b most people find it pretty easy to hit a 13 in a bone stock awd. Try taking it to the track as is before you go any more wild with the mods and read up on your tuning before you make a choice.

Nobody can tell you what is "best" for you. For me I'm not happy unless I have the control of a stand alone. Some people find that to be a headache and like the set it and forget it chip method, or the sliders in link. Still others like the price and lack of commitment involved in an afc. An afc combined with a chip becomes a fairly capable setup. For any one of the options you'll find people running 10's or even faster.

 

[eagletalon4life]

the cheap kind that comes with everything to install. not so proud of it but oh well. No shaft play, no leaks, good spool, and seems to pull really hard, it will do for now.

 

[my98gsx]

mid 13's are very easy to get with minor mods. ide say a 2g mass air, and an safc will get you there with no problem.

 

[eagletalon4life]

ok im trying to buy a key driver and there is some question i have. The order form asks weather or not my car is a auto or man trans, but i converted it from a 90 auto, to a 92 manual trans, does this matter? if i remember right i have a 94 eprom ecm out of a man trans

 

[Rex2342]

Like others have stated you're way overkill if you only want 13's. Mine does 13's all day long with the 14b pushing 20psi. As far as your question about key driver just put manual since you're using a manual ECU. You check the numbers on your ECU to find out exactly what it came from.

 

[tallywacker]

Buying a SAFC, Keydriver chip, and..... Why not just get ecmlink and get a real tuning tool. Seems like a waste to me. You can get ECMv3 lite for the same price.

 

[rock1t]

mid 13s with the free mods. been there and done that. search and check out the upgrade paths. then you won't be wasting time waiting on answers.

 

[tkelly27]

Buying a SAFC, Keydriver chip, and..... Why not just get ecmlink and get a real tuning tool. Seems like a waste to me. You can get ECMv3 lite for the same price.

You can also get a real tuning tool in jackal, or tunerpro for $150 less than link lite. I've also seen people pick up afc's for $75, with a $140 keydiver chip that comes out to $215 which is still more than $100 less than link lite.

On a $400 budget (which many people may be limited to), you could have link lite, or either of the other options plus a wideband so that you're not tuning in the dark.

A really nice part about the afc, and the hardware for burning or emulating an eprom is that it is not make dependant. An AFC will fit on whatever you've got, and the ostrich will work in anything with a 28pin eprom. I see a lot of people say "you can always sell link if you get rid of your car". An ostrich or an afc can go with you to your next car.

I've used the knowledge and the hardware from the more DIY solutions to tune honda, dodge, ford, volvo, nissan, and GM so far. It hasn't been the easiest way, but it's been very rewarding and it has saved my friends and I a tremendous amount of money.

I don't like to make these a "link vs." thread, I just like to put out there the notion that it's not the end all be all tuning solution, and that people who are so inclined have more than one option.

A friend of mine was in the 11's with a E316g using a combination of 2g maf, bigger injectors, and an AFC, no eprom ecu needed.

 

[YOOOO]

I don't know what turbo you have, but if you don't even hit high 11's with those supporting mods you fail at DSMs

 

[beniger]

I would say take the car out go drive down the strip and see what your times are and see if you're satisfied. You're probably already in 13's. Also do a blt might get you that extra umph you want. Also the 2g will let you meter more air:thumbs up:

 

[FLASH1970]

Please get a wideband so you don't run lean and toast the engine. Then any of the tuning options people stated. So, wideband, a way to tune, manual boost controller, boost gauge, injectors, and I think 12's are possible. If you are just getting into tuning the SAFC, stick with injectors 680cc or smaller.

 

[rock1t]

Please get a wideband so you don't run lean and toast the engine. Then any of the tuning options people stated. So, wideband, a way to tune, manual boost controller, boost gauge, injectors, and I think 12's are possible. If you are just getting into tuning the SAFC, stick with injectors 680cc or smaller.

it's recommended 680cc or smaller, but i have known guys to run into the low-mid 10's rocking the safc.

also i believe it was on pinks all out, the dude with the awd mirage running 10's tuning with a safc.

 

[eagletalon4life]

Ok, i have a pocket logger, boost, and a reg a/f gauge so i figured that will do. The only reason i said 13's is because ive never been down a drag strip, Or on a dyno for that reason. i ordered stage 1 keydriver last night. Im considering safc also with a set of 680cc injecters. However im running out of time there is a "test and tune" comeing up on the 29th and i want to at do some tuning so i need something asap. Can i do anything with stage 1 key driver and safc running stock maf and stock injecters
im not dumb i just work like crazy and live in B.F.E

 

[cody92talon]

well for starters the reg a/f guage will not do they dont tell you crap because they are reading the narrow band o2 sensor which is now where near close at wide opin throttle. and your going to have to get some bigger injectors because with that turbo your already maxing them out so you wont be able to get anymore fuel out of them. get the inj. an you can do some tuning with ### you'll have then