howell create motor monster

[Civib2]

Does anyone know how much power those things can put out, for example 8:6 je pistons eagle rods 2.2 stroker with what like 20ish psi. that thing has to be ####ing fast, im just curious if anybody knows anyone who has ever had one. Also are there motors reliable with no warranty?

 

[Civib2]

im talking about the full long block create motor like 5grand

 

[selmerguy]

it goes as fast as you can supply fuel for. thats the hardest part. fuel, fuel, fuel....

 

[Breaksteel]

I ordered one of these block a while ago, planning on putting it in this winter, ill probley post up about it when im running it, still havent got it yet and it about time to make some phone calls!

 

[Thomas91169]

things from howell take about 6 months to get to you. then another 2 months for whatever they forgot to send, or whatever they messed up on to get to you. and expect to get the run-around when you call. even the brain of the operations doesnt know whats going on.

how much power you get from the block depends on what turbo is behind it(assuming thats whats in store for it) and how well its tuned.

 

[XMasta19]

I ordered one of these block a while ago, planning on putting it in this winter, ill probley post up about it when im running it, still havent got it yet and it about time to make some phone calls!

Howell Automotive = wtfbbq where are my parts

 

[dr1665]

As much as this thread feels like a mixture of "what's it worth" and bench racing, both of which are weak and frowned upon here, I would venture to say you could probably push something like 500bhp with experienced tuning before you would need to be concerned about bending/melting things.

It's stupid to ask such things because, if you don't know what an engine with specific internals is capable of, chances are good that you wouldn't know enough about tuning to actually achieve those numbers safely.

Buy it or build the equivalent. An engine only puts out as much power as you are capable of tuning. You can't tune past 200hp? You'll hit 200hp, break something, and that's the end of that valuable life lesson.

 

[selmerguy]

As much as this thread feels like a mixture of "what's it worth" and bench racing, both of which are weak and frowned upon here, I would venture to say you could probably push something like 500bhp with experienced tuning before you would need to be concerned about bending/melting things.

It's stupid to ask such things because, if you don't know what an engine with specific internals is capable of, chances are good that you wouldn't know enough about tuning to actually achieve those numbers safely.

Buy it or build the equivalent. An engine only puts out as much power as you are capable of tuning. You can't tune past 200hp? You'll hit 200hp, break something, and that's the end of that valuable life lesson.

amen

 

[green95hrcgs]

My Howell 2.2L seems pretty nice. You can def notice the torque difference.

On another note, since my idler pulley took a shit on me, I am in the process of machining the head, and having all 16 valves replaced.


And YES, Howell does seem to take a long time to get things done.

 

[97 spyder]

Try Magnus Motor Sports they build top notch 2.4L with good customer service.

 

[XMasta19]

Try Magnus Motor Sports they build top notch 2.4L with good customer service.

hmmm, for some reason I looked at their site and didn't see anything 420a related

 

[SnoopySLR]

Howell sucks for customer service. Also, you need to realize that pistons and rods don't make the power. Your fuel and spark do. I've got a fully built to the gills 420a, but I only have a 12:1 FMU and 255 pump right now... so I can only push 9psi. Can my lower compression pistons and forged rods allow the strenth for more boost... you bet, but the heat more boost would create due to lean conditions would melt my pistons.

Like Selmerguy said "Fuel,Fuel,Fuel!"

 

[Civib2]

snoopyslr are u tuned or not, cause thats the setup i have and i was curious as to what i can run still safley on stock injectors with the vortec FMU and walboro but still stock injectors. I called my local speed shop and asked them if theey will tune my car when its doen they said that the emanage wont work with OBD2 cars that eventually the ECU will take over is this true? will the emangae work?

 

[selmerguy]

snoopyslr are u tuned or not, cause thats the setup i have and i was curious as to what i can run still safley on stock injectors with the vortec FMU and walboro but still stock injectors. I called my local speed shop and asked them if theey will tune my car when its doen they said that the emanage wont work with OBD2 cars that eventually the ECU will take over is this true? will the emangae work?

stock injestors and vortech fmu =9psi.
it's funny you say that about the ecu taking over. i just installed a safc 2 and when i adjust fuel at idle it changes for about 1 sec and then the ecu seems to change it back. that pisses me off

 

[Civib2]

Well dont hold me to that Im not sure if its entirley true this is just what my local shop told me. It makes sense in a way, they told me the only way to really be safe is to swithc to a stand alone, any piggyback will just eventually get overruled by the ecu weird huh

 

[Civib2]

Also 9psi is that untuned and still safe? Im just really paranoid now about blowing my motor up even with the howell shortblock.

 

[selmerguy]

i have been ok for 5000 miles no problems so far.

 

[SnoopySLR]

Nope... still running the stock ecu with no piggy backs.

 

[Civib2]

I dont know what disk is in the stock vortec unit does anybody know and is this what you guys are running and its still good, im just so worried about blowign it again so you say i will be fine on 9psi 8.6 comp and a stock star stage 2 kit?

 

[SnoopySLR]

Thats what I have, and I'm running stoich across the board.

 

[selmerguy]

I dont know what disk is in the stock vortec unit does anybody know and is this what you guys are running and its still good, im just so worried about blowign it again so you say i will be fine on 9psi 8.6 comp and a stock star stage 2 kit?

12:1 in mine and it runs good.

 

[BigRand]

the emanage wont work with OBD2 cars that eventually the ECU will take over is this true? will the emangae work?

Okay there are two ways to fix this problem. 1 way is to just go and buy the new emange ultimate, they fixed that problem on the new one.

2nd and cheaper is to purchase a pressure switch from an oil/screw place (ie. makes steel braided lines on the spot etc.) The idea of the pressure switch is to trick the ecu to think that its at Wide Open Throttle, and cause it to switch to its final fuel map. When the last fuel map is chosen it will stop trying to adjust fuel and spark, because its trying to give the motor all its got. Thats when the settings you programmed on the emange do its thing.

I should be getting my car back tomorrow or thursday with it all on, and will try to do a write up on it, school is just starting too, but I think I can mange.


P.S. This might have already been said, but with just the SFMU,255 fuel pump, and stock injectors, the max boost you can run is 9psi, 370 injectors should take you to around 14-15psi, and 440cc injectors should take you to around 20psi. This is all just a guestimate, you should really use the injector choice formula to find out exactly what you need. There is one online at www.rceng.com

 

[Civib2]

Thank you soooo much guys all of you have been a great help. I have decided im going to get the 8.6 comp shortblock from howell. Run 5psi to break in and u know no over 80mph or 4000rpm then get some 440cc injectors and run 15psi and hope all goes well, also let me know how that emange works for you cause i already ordered it and i want to know it iwll work.

Again thank you, everyone is so helpful on here and its good to know we all have a place where we are all experiencing the same shit.

Also to snoopySLR i hope you arent reading your A/F guage beign stoich becasue those things suck and dont help you for shit. you coulud be serioulsy leaning out or even to rich, watch your EGTs or go to a dyno then you will know for sure. Becuase at 7psi on stock internals on the dyno i ran lean from about 5000-6000rpm.