GS-T vs GSR

[97ClipseDSM]

Well finally had the chance to race my friend Brians 96 Integra GSR. He has I/H/E camgears, UDP, and hes done some weight reduction mods. I am Bone stock (just bought my car a few days ago) im not gonna lie. We line up and he had a good launch and were dead even at 2nd gear and as soon as i hit 3rd..i slightly pull up and when i hit 4th im about 3 cars ahead..and than 5th..im a bus legnth ahead of him. I am not surprised one bit because i have faith in my DSM. He congratulated me to a good race but the thing that is confusing me is how a stock GST runs 15.3 and he is running 14.9 with his GSR. But i still beat him? Anyways, it was a great race.

 

[clownface]

a 2g gst and 96 GSR are just about even if not exactly even stock-stock, you cant say that one would win over the other, its more about the driver. Either his car is messed up or he cant drive OR you just drive really good. I know this from experience and a few internet sources. I dunno if a stock 96 GSR will get in the 14's its more like a 15 second car much like you. now keep in mind im talking about to bone stock vehicals, he should win if hes done just about anything to his car but i already said something about that a few lines back

 

[GSntncT]

Originally posted by 97ClipseDSM
a stock GST runs 15.3 and he is running 14.9 with his GSR. But i still beat him? Anyways, it was a great race.

Well, congrats on winning. But a stock GS-T doesn't run 15.3 stock.....I've been able to pull 14.77 stock, and there are other who have ran faster stock times than me.

 

[fireredGST]

GSR's run around mid to high 15s bone stock.

GST's run low 15s to high 14s bone stock.

With his mods he is closer to the performance of a stock GST.

You ran a 14.7 bone stock ? We have the power to run 14's stock, we just can't put that power to the ground.


GSR vs a GST is not a drivers race, we have alot more power and torque(Our WHP is what they have at the crank stock). I raced my buddys 96 GSR and was up 3-4 cars by 80mph.

His mods at the time were intake,exhaust,chip.

My only mod was a catback.


This is the only site I can find with a stock time for a 1996 GSR.


1996 GSR

 

[GSntncT]

Originally posted by fireredGST


You ran a 14.7 bone stock ? We have the power to run 14's stock, we just can't put that power to the ground.

Hell yeah! It was about a week or so after I bought the car in Oct 2002.

 

[fireredGST]

Congrats, that is one hell of an ET for a stock GST.

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

Ok gsx 2g's run about 14.8 from the factory. take about 300-400 pounds off that and there ya go. Im suere with traction a gst could pull mid 14s just from weight. spyders and autos pull 15.3s stock. good job beating him .
Andrew

 

[clownface]

i still think its a drivers race. but i think he should have beat you with the mods he has.

 

[fireredGST]

Originally posted by clownface
i still think its a drivers race. but i think he should have beat you with the mods he has.

If actually you read his post, he said he beat him. Honda fan are we ?


Two FWD guys just claimed 14.7-14.8 bone stock, oh yeah a mid 15 second GSR is a drivers race.

 

[GSntncT]

Just incase there are any doubters here, I have scanned my very first 3 runs with my GS-T.

 

[97ClipseDSM]

Originally posted by fireredGST
If actually you read his post, he said he beat him. Honda fan are we ?


Two FWD guys just claimed 14.7-14.8 bone stock, oh yeah a mid 15 second GSR is a drivers race.

FiredGST is right, but still i know and have raced alot of GSR's. Never underestimate them there quick just like the GST's if you do some minor mods to them. However stock VS stock?? Id whoop that GSR's ass all over the place. You cant compare 170 Hp to 210 Hp. This is the base horsepower im talking about not wheel so dont try to flame me. Again like i said i could feel the GSR's power when i was racing him because he would slightly pull ahead of me for the first 2 gears but as soon as 3rd, IT WAS OVER!

And by the way 14.7 Second GST is far quicker than a mid to high 15's GSR. And oh a Mid 15 second GSR is not a drivers race.

 

[clownface]

NO IM NOT HONDA FAN, but one of my better friends happens to have a 96 GSR so i can sorta respect them cause ive been it and stuff, but im still faster

i dont care what your slips say, . There both FWD cars and both of them put down in the area of 160-180 to the ground. fireredGST posted a link to car stats up there and said look up the GSR time but not the GST time soooo ill bring this up, and fireredGST cant argue me anymore or that makes him a hypocrite,hehe. www.car-stats.com says this...........
96 GSR 0-60 7.1 1/4 mile 15.5
95 GST 0-60 7.4 1/4 mile 15.5

granted those prolly arnt 100% right there prolly close. O and if you can make really good traction it would prolly lower those number some but thats getting back to what i was saying, its a drivers race, stock-stock no free mods or anything, cars in same condition and all that.

 

[the_anti_honda]

i dont know why i was even reading this thread. but here it goes...

nice job on those times for a stock GST that is some damn good driving

and this is what i think about any honda :thumbdown :thumbdown :thumbdown

 

[fireredGST]

Originally posted by clownface
NO IM NOT HONDA FAN, but one of my best friends happens to have a 96 GSR so i can sorta respect them cause ive been it it alot and stuff, but im still faster

i dont care what your slips say, . There both FWD cars and both of them put down in the area of 160-180 to the ground. fireredGST posted a link to car stats up there and said look up the GSR time but not the GST time soooo ill bring this up, and fireredGST cant argue me anymore or that makes him a hypocrite,hehe. www.car-stats.com says this...........
96 GSR 0-60 7.1 1/4 mile 15.5
95 GST 0-60 7.4 1/4 mile 15.5

granted those prolly arnt 100% right there prolly close. O and if you can make really good traction it would prolly lower those number some but thats getting back to what i was saying, its a drivers race, stock-stock no free mods or anything, cars in same condition and all that.

GSR's have 170 at the crank,(here we go another rice boy) how do they have 170WHP ? How can't I argue? GST's stock advertised time is 15.0, still alot faster than a 15.5 and a GST's 0-60 time is 6.5 seconds.

Stop being blind, they are not close in performance stock, I have raced a 96 GSR, I smoked him. They are ass-slow when not in the VTEC range.

By the way, guess what makes us even faster, it a magical thing called TORQUE.

GST's have 214lb TQ, GSR's 128lb TQ...

 

[clownface]

Originally posted by fireredGST
GSR's have 170 at the crank,(here we go another rice boy) how do they have 170WHP ? How can't I argue? GST's stock advertised time is 15.0, still alot faster than a 15.5 and a GST's 0-60 time is 6.5 seconds.

Stop being blind, they are not close in performance stock, I have raced a 96 GSR, I smoked him. They are ass-slow when not in the VTEC range.

By the way, guess what makes us even faster, it a magical thing called TORQUE.

GST's have 214lb TQ, GSR's 128lb TQ...

i just said the you cant argue thing cause you made a link to car-stats and i guess you didnt bother to look at the GST nubers cause car-stats is backing what im saying and you made a link to it so i figured that if you continued to argue your point then that would sorta make you a hypocrite.

Unless car stats is WAY off then i pretty sure im right, and i thought that acura HP numbers where at the ground, I thought that mitusbishi was one of the only ones that put out crank numbers all the time(i could be wrong about that i suppose) Maybe the GSR donst weight as much as the GST. I still say its a drivers race stock-stock, you said you beat one, but your profile donst say your stock sooo thats not valid, unless you did it when you were stock then ill just say you must be a good driver.

i posted the car stats numbers in my last post if your curious.

 

[fireredGST]

The only numbers for a GST is for the spyder. Spyders are heavier, not as quick as a GST coupe.


I guess you wish to ignore the whole time slips thing.


I beat him when I had a catback, he had Intake, Exhaust,Chip.


We have a huge TQ advantage, did you forget about TQ ?


But to each thier own, thats your opnion, I respect it.




Talon TSI FWD

Notice the 0-60 times....

 

[clownface]

http://www.car-stats.com/stats/showstats/showstatsgivenid.aspx

crap i cant seem to link to the right page, but look harder it has the number for a normal GST also, and youll see there exactly the same as what i posted. Its right above the GSX on my internet browser.

im not ignoring the slips, he must a decent driver, i bet if he had a GSR he could do about the same.

 

[DSMeclipse4G63]

damn that car stat place sucks....I ran 15 flat BONE STOCK at 9psi wot oh yeah I left the a/c on from the ride down. 15.5 and 7.4....yeah right in reverse doing the slalom...
Andrew

 

[97ClipseDSM]

Originally posted by clownface
NO IM NOT HONDA FAN, but one of my best friends happens to have a 96 GSR so i can sorta respect them cause ive been it it alot and stuff, but im still faster

i dont care what your slips say, . There both FWD cars and both of them put down in the area of 160-180 to the ground. fireredGST posted a link to car stats up there and said look up the GSR time but not the GST time soooo ill bring this up, and fireredGST cant argue me anymore or that makes him a hypocrite,hehe. www.car-stats.com says this...........
96 GSR 0-60 7.1 1/4 mile 15.5
95 GST 0-60 7.4 1/4 mile 15.5

granted those prolly arnt 100% right there prolly close. O and if you can make really good traction it would prolly lower those number some but thats getting back to what i was saying, its a drivers race, stock-stock no free mods or anything, cars in same condition and all that.

Ok first of all homeboy, the GS-T times are through an Automatic transmission not manual. I believe you left something out..look again and than try to back up your facts.

 

[fireredGST]

An automatic GST is way slower than a 5-speed GST.

 

[97ClipseDSM]

Originally posted by clownface
NO IM NOT HONDA FAN, but one of my best friends happens to have a 96 GSR so i can sorta respect them cause ive been it it alot and stuff, but im still faster

i dont care what your slips say, . There both FWD cars and both of them put down in the area of 160-180 to the ground. fireredGST posted a link to car stats up there and said look up the GSR time but not the GST time soooo ill bring this up, and fireredGST cant argue me anymore or that makes him a hypocrite,hehe. www.car-stats.com says this...........
96 GSR 0-60 7.1 1/4 mile 15.5
95 GST 0-60 7.4 1/4 mile 15.5

granted those prolly arnt 100% right there prolly close. O and if you can make really good traction it would prolly lower those number some but thats getting back to what i was saying, its a drivers race, stock-stock no free mods or anything, cars in same condition and all that.

Oh and by the way my friend brian told me to tell you your an idiot to call a stock GSR Vs a Stock GST a drivers race. Even he admits i would have tore him up even more if he was stock. How the hell can you compare a 170 Horsepower to 210?? 40 Horsepower is a huge difference you idiot. So your telling me back when my RS was stock and i ran Brians GSR that It should have been a drivers race Between brians 170 Horsepower GSR and my 140 Horsepower Eclipse?It was a 30 horsepower difference and i got my ass handed to me about 3 bus legnths, even with a 3 car head start. Get your facts straight moron, on the stats and websites its something else, but on the street and track its proven and untill you can get me real timeslips of a GST VS a GSR with experienced drivers, dont come on here talking your idiotic bullshit because it just makes your ass look stupid. And by the way, THOSE GSR TIMES ON CARSTATS.COM WERE THROUGH A MANUAL TRANSMISSION IDIOT. A STOCK GST MANUAL TIMES ARE 0-60 IN 6.5 SECONDS AND 15.3 SECONDS QUARTERMILE. THE STATS ON CARSTATS ARE AUTOMATIC GST TIMES. Thats is not a drivers race

 

[clownface]

i still think im right, the only way im gonna think im not right and concede is if someone can prove to me that acura advertises there HP at the crank and not the wheels cause as far as i know there numbers are at the wheels, and if it is at the wheels ITS A DRIVERS RACE, but if not i guess i was wrong all along and ill have learned something new. And about the automatic thing, yes i did over look that, but ive seen some threads on here that make it sound like thats not a vaild argument. But i am curious now as to weather its 170 at crank or wheels, anyone know for sure and can back it up???

 

[fireredGST]

Originally posted by clownface
i still think im right, the only way im gonna think im not right and concede is if someone can prove to me that acura advertises there HP at the crank and not the wheels cause as far as i know there numbers are at the wheels, and if it is at the wheels ITS A DRIVERS RACE, but if not i guess i was wrong all along and ill have learned something new. And about the automatic thing, yes i did over look that, but ive seen some threads on here that make it sound like thats not a vaild argument. But i am curious now as to weather its 170 at crank or wheels, anyone know for sure and can back it up???

:laugh: How old are you ? All cars advertised horsepower is at the crank. GSR's probaly , if they are lucky make 154WHP. And you keep talking about horsepower but totally seem to forget about torque.

 

[clownface]

Originally posted by fireredGST
:laugh: How old are you ? All cars advertised horsepower is at the crank. GSR's probaly , if they are lucky make 154WHP. And you keep talking about horsepower but totally seem to forget about torque.

Im not gonna say your wrong, but im pretty sure thats not true. Im 18 so yeah i might be ignorant to some of this stuff, yeah. But im pretty sure that most companies dont put out crank numbers, i guess i could be wrong......maybe......but i really think im not. i hope im not wrong, cause ive thought that for a while.

EDIT- BAH IM SO GONNA SMACK MY FRIENDS IN THE HEAD i guess i was wrong about the crank and wheel thing, i asked around and i guess im wrong but all my close friends had me thinking thats how it was and that mitsubishi was just messed up like that and i sorta just took there word for it cause there not dummies or anything...... , sorry for arguing but i really did think i was right.

 

[97ClipseDSM]

Actually GSR's are 148-150 at the wheels. I even asked my friend Brian and he said there somewhere aound 147-150 at the wheels. Sorry but your a little kid man i can tell just by the way you blurt out some dumb shit like you just did. you just proved to yourself and every DSM tuner here that your an idiot. Sell your car now and buy a GSR. You dont deserve to own a DSM.