Front Bumper Question

[DeezEclipse]

Hey guys, today me and my bro started to put a body kit on. We took off the front bumper and there was that hard block that i think is supposed to absorb the shock and save my engine if im ever in an accident. I know this part has to go to put the bumper on, but im just wondering how dangerous it is? My mom was freakin out that i was gonna take it off, but oh well haha.Thanks.

 

[DSMhelex]

dude thats the bumper support!!
some mitsubishi engineer spent days designing that thing and its there for a reason...

and if the body kit front bumper wont fit with that on there.... you got ripped off totally. ive never heard of such a half ass'd kit

 

[dsmjay]

wow man you should not be doing any kind of taking apart of anything on a car with that intelligence level!:thumbdown

the bumper support is there to protect your ass when your in an accident. its supposed to absorb much of the impact and shouldnt be removed. most body kits never fit right when you get them especially if you got a "good deal" on one. you have to alot of times have them cut and either add or remove fiberglass to get them to fit.

but in your case i would say put the factory one back on and take your car to a body shop and have it put on

Jay

 

[Six97GST]

Uh, a lot of people on these forums remove the bumper support for kits/FMICs. Supposedly it only helps in collisions under 5 mph anyway.

 

[dsmjay]

Originally posted by Six97GST
Uh, a lot of people on these forums remove the bumper support for kits/FMICs. Supposedly it only helps in collisions under 5 mph anyway.

no alot of ppl will trim their support for fmic, and take a second and think logically about what you just said....under 5mph. well hey under 5mph you wouldnt even need anything at all then period? i mean bumping something at 5mph wouldnt even crack the urethan bumper, so i guess car manufacturers just put that on there to add weight huh? you kill me. use your head before you "uh," make a post that could concern a fellow dsmer's safety:thumbdown :thumbdown

Jay

 

[DeezEclipse]

wow... i didn't know that it was so uncommon to remove that block. I guess ill take it to a shop and have them put it on.

 

[DSMhelex]

Originally posted by dsmjay
no alot of ppl will trim their support for fmic, and take a second and think logically about what you just said....under 5mph. well hey under 5mph you wouldnt even need anything at all then period? i mean bumping something at 5mph wouldnt even crack the urethan bumper, so i guess car manufacturers just put that on there to add weight huh? you kill me. use your head before you "uh," make a post that could concern a fellow dsmer's safety:thumbdown :thumbdown

Jay

i agree totally... 5 mph isnt going to do anything... you get slammed at 50mph and you'll wish you had that there...

what the hell dude, while your at it, why dont you just rip your seat belts out and airbags too?

and i'd like to see the first kit that requires you to remove a safety feature of the vehicle....

perhaps if there is an actual kit that requires this, maybe i should put it on and slam my car into a tree and sue there ass? sounds like a winable lawsuit.

 

[tunerkid]

a lot of people remove it.. my friend got a street fighter front and left it on, but had to cut ALOT of it off... im hoping i can leave mine on when i put my bumper on, but if i cant then so be it. im sure it doesnt make THAT much of a difference while crashing at 45+ to my understadning it was there to protect the FRAME of the car, not the person.. i dont see how a metal bar can "absorb" that much impact that if you were already going to get hurt, to have that not make you not get hurt. yes it was designed and placed there for a reason. but car companies are supposed to make the cars AS SAFEAS POSSILE.

im sure adding that turbo kit or nitrous kit doesnt make your car safer either but hey thats just my opinion

 

[dsmjay]

it will absorb alot of the blow to the car because it has like shocks behind it that will push in and take much of the blow. ive seen plenty of ppl put kits on and retain the support. dont buy a cheap ass kit and you wont have to worry about it.

and trust me i know it works and does its job, my 2nd dsm, the one i currently have was totaled when i bought it. the kid rearended a s-10 at like 40mph. the support was bent and pushed the rad. support back alittle but thats it. never got pushed back into the motor or nothing. welded in a new support and part of an inner fenderwell and i had her running and on the road. i guess my point is this, hey its your life you can play with it however you want. you might never crash and have to worry about it...then again...it just might save your ass someday...just my two cents

Jay

 

[tunerkid]

i didnt know it had shocks behind it.. being how ive never even seen one. however i dont think "buying a shitty kit" compared to a "good kit" will make a difference in the removeal of it. most shitty kits just dont fit well, they are still the BASIC shape as a good fitting kit, so i dont see how that will make a difference, it all really depends on the design of the bumper. i just hope my VIS kit will allow me to keep the front and rear supports.

 

[dsmjay]

it really has nothing to do with the shape. alot of times the bumpers are wide enough and so when you try to put them on the ends of the support can hit and cause it not to want to fit. sometimes you just need to cut the bumper in half, attach the sides and go from there. sometimes you have to add some fiberglass to it...sometimes you have to take some out. either way you'll have some hours in fitment definetly

 

[VOTBLINDUB]

its called a bumper support. if you take it out the next time somebody hits you, it goes thru the bumper and may hit the frame. if its still there, that simply breaks and absorbs some of the impact. some bi*** bupmed me in the rear, i just gutted it out, whatever. if ur goin 65 and hit shit, it doesnt matter if u got 3 in there, wont help. its there for slow ass bumps not to touch the body

 

[DeezEclipse]

so r u sayin that if it was u...u would take out the bumper support in order for the body kit bumper to fit easier?im just wondering cuz im not sure how much work it will be for it to fit...cuz right now its not fitting to well.

 

[dsmjay]

hey kid its your life play with it however you want

Jay

 

[chriw21_2000]

When I put my kit on, I built a 1 1/2" tube bumper in the nose. Then it loops around the hole in the nose and bolts in 6 places. To the original bumper support horns and where the bottom crossmember bolts to the radiator support. Also built it about 1/2" lower than the bumper so you scrape on it and not the nose.

Laterz

 

[Raph]

Originally posted by VOTBLINDUB
its called a bumper support. if you take it out the next time somebody hits you, it goes thru the bumper and may hit the frame. if its still there, that simply breaks and absorbs some of the impact. some bi*** bupmed me in the rear, i just gutted it out, whatever. if ur goin 65 and hit shit, it doesnt matter if u got 3 in there, wont help. its there for slow ass bumps not to touch the body

fellas,he is right....

manz european cars in the Eighties,Nineties and even today dont have these(well they do,but its smaller)because u dont need 5mph bumpers here(which protect the car up to 5mph crashes) they only need 2,5mph bumpers(only to protect ur car in a parking lot mishap)

we have a body shop at my work and they know their stuff....

 

[DeezEclipse]

Thanks for all the replies guys. I figured out what im goin to do.I talked to my other brother in law and hes goin to take care of it for me. He is familiar with fiberglass cuz he used to work for a sound shop and he used to make boxes out of fiberglass. He is goin to cuz the bumper support to fit the bumper and reinforce it wit some steel. Its goin to save me money and I still get to keep the bumper support.

 

[Rice Over Wheat]

The Evo style front ends out there are one type that requires removal of that bumper support. If you get into a decent front-end collision, you're going to see damage either way. Like someone else said, that bumper is for low-impact fender benders...parking lot bumps. The trade-off is youre going to see some expensive repairs for any future low-impact collisions if you take it out. In high-impact collisions, the engine bay and engine itself is supposed to take the brunt of impact and absorb much of the force before it gets to the front seating compartment. Usually they build in crinkle zones that allow the engine bay to collapse and distribute energy upon impact.

ROW

 

[nevermore]

Originally posted by Raph
fellas,he is right....

manz european cars in the Eighties,Nineties and even today dont have these(well they do,but its smaller)because u dont need 5mph bumpers here(which protect the car up to 5mph crashes) they only need 2,5mph bumpers(only to protect ur car in a parking lot mishap)

we have a body shop at my work and they know their stuff....

Yeah he is right, those bumpers are LOW mile bumper absorbers, read up on them. They do upto 5mph, Think about it, if you slam into a car a 50 a little bumper isn't going to do shit all.
Trust me my buddy did it in his MX3 and the black LIFE saver as you call it shattered at a low 40kph. 8kph or lower. They really don't do shit, but for people backing into you and what not. I would feel perfectly safe with this off my car, along with the airbag. I've hit one thing before and the seatbelts does the trick and the airbag never went off.

Plus if you are going to mod your car, your going to be going fast (NORMANLLY) So any bumper or safty belt won't do to much when you start rolling your car or hit something at 100mph(162kph).

Just my 2 cents.

 

[DSMTommy]

My bumper fit fine without removing the support. But it will need to be trimmed for the FMIC to fit in.....

 

[ditchmagnet]

so what do you do when it does get pushed in...(the shock part...as is my case...)...can you just re-extend it....my stock bumper is pushed in on the driver side...and i can see in there...and that is what it is.

 

[Defiant]

Okay, end of squabblefest.

Magnet, check your other thread for your answers.