fmic size for t28

[gstkid]

I'm looking to buy a fmic and was wondering whats an appropriate size. I read that a side mount is better for the stock t25 but no one has mentioned anything about the t28. Any suggestions?

 

[crimsondragon]

A T-28 is essentially a T-25 with an upgraded compressor wheel. I would lean more towards either a Supra sidemount or equivalent like Hahn's Racecraft sidemounts.

 

[Robert503]

I'm looking to buy a fmic and was wondering whats an appropriate size. I read that a side mount is better for the stock t25 but no one has mentioned anything about the t28. Any suggestions?

. Hey, I'm in the same boat as you, I want to get a front mount, but have a stock turbo too, but I'm gonna get a bigger one some time in the future, nut if your not then I would get a better side mount, Rob

 

[ak47mopar]

when i got my car it already had a fmic but only a stock t25 i ahev been in several t25s with a stock smic or upgraded one and with the t25 i would rather have asmic bc it builds spool faster but im not concerned bc i am getting my hx35 soon. so if you dnt plan on getting a bigger turbo soon i would say just get a nice smic like hahn

 

[crimsondragon]

Here are some vendors that sell them.
DEJON | Powerhouse
Slowboy Racing :: Turbos :: DSM Turbos :: Intercoolers :: Cores :: Bullseye-Power DSM Side Mount

And guides if you decide to go with the Supra SMIC.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...72-supra-smic-install-guide-long-version.html
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/art...g-install-guide-supra-smic-short-version.html

 

[gstkid]

Thanks a lot guys. I didnt know you spool faster with a sidemount. Well I dont know how long it will be till I can afford a bigger turbo so I will most likely go with a side mount. damn It just wont satisfy my eyes as much as a front mount.

 

[tkelly27]

If I remember right a T28 is closer in size to a 16g. Front mount is a good idea. I've never noticed a decrease in spool up when changing to a bigger IC. Not with a small turbo or a big one. You will want a front mount, and a nice big one if anywhere down the line you have plans for a bigger turbo.

 

[DSMsOwnYourV8]

If I remember right a T28 is closer in size to a 16g. Front mount is a good idea. I've never noticed a decrease in spool up when changing to a bigger IC. Not with a small turbo or a big one. You will want a front mount, and a nice big one if anywhere down the line you have plans for a bigger turbo.

Agreed. what are your goals for the car? Yeah a Supra smic might work great now on your current setup but if you have plans for upgrading to a big turbo later on, you'll probably want a fmic. I always believed in doing things once, and doing it right. (it saves a lot of money.)

 

[bmoha2]

and the Hahn SMIC. It works perfectly. I had a friend in Milwaukee that put on a huge FMIC with his T28 at the same time I bought mine. It made his car significantly slower. Very laggy. Too much intercooler for too small of a turbo. Too much pressure loss. The Hahn is pretty damn big and has a very very low psi pressure drop and is just about perfectly matched for the Big T28. very efficient. Thing is Hahn stopped making theirs. There are other option out there. I don't have any huge hp aspirations for the Talon. In the future, the largest turbo I am going to go with is a GT25 BB, as roadracing and autocross is my thing with occasional trips to the drag strip. I want a car that is astounding o-45 mph. I like it being a beast on the streets. The best thing about the T28 is it's instantaneous boost response. Almost no lag. I wouldn't want to mess that up with a poorly sized/matched FMIC.
If you did have your mind set towards getting a FMIC I would go with a small one. You have to look at your future plans for the car. If you have high hp in mind then a FMIC makes sense but not for that turbo. Keep in mind that swapping a turbo is a pretty labor intensive process that makes a bit of a sore lower back, and some loss of skin on your knuckles. And for some reason most turbos wind up staying installed for longer than intended. It is much easier and much less labor intensive to replace a smic or a fmic.
One more thing. Even though the Big T28 is a little turbo comparatively speaking it is still way more turbo than the stock smic can deal with. My FP Big T28 would get the stock smic hot enough to boil eggs on even after just a few pulls and suffered heavily from heat soak. I eliminated that problem all together when I went to the Hahn smic.
I just saw a Hahn smic for sale here on our forum for $150! That's a freakin great deal! If that has'nt sold yet I would snag that.

 

[sirsol66]

A good sized FMIC for the T28 seems to the Godspeed/obx fmic. A few guys on talk have purchased it (you can find a full review on there with install pics) and have had nothing but good things to say about it. The kit is about $50 cheaper than the ssac and is already set up for side firing turbos such as the T25 and FPT28. I believe these kits are also copies of the original greddy kit so if you're adamant about having name brand things, that's another kit that might work for you.

 

[Dsmj89]

A supra side-mount or dejontool's bigger smic upgrade will work good. You can also go with a fmic with a decent size (id say a 21x7x3 or around there) and fab your own custom pipes and it will work just as fine. Might be a bit more laggy, probably not even that noticeable, but the cooler air temps will deff. help.

 

[jrohner]

SSAC shortroute FMIC

 

[toofast82]

I actually used a Hahn sidemount on my last 1g(some cutting) with an 18g and it worked great! It is obviously a direct fit on 2g. I was very impressed with its cooling for a sidemount

 

[hypnoticpimp]

I have a FP big t-28 matched with 2.5 intercooler pipes to a supra sidemount and it works great! I think its worth to install the supra smic... Heres another link for an instal...

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/turbo-system-tech/302817-supra-smic-install-quick-guide.html

Heres a link of what people have done with the supra smic...

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/tur...ra-sidemount-intercoolers-testing-limits.html

 

[gstkid]

I don't really know whAt my plans are for the car I just know I have a goal of 350-400hp. A bigger turbo will be coming but not that soon. I would like to focus spending my money on internals and other things first. I have a friend running low tens with his NA integra so I'm going to build my dsm along the same lines. but thanks for all the help I will be purchasing a sidemount later on this weekend.

 

[nkosi]

I'm looking to buy a fmic and was wondering whats an appropriate size. I read that a side mount is better for the stock t25 but no one has mentioned anything about the t28. Any suggestions?

hers a better deal for u homie from PR racing ...Talon/Eclipse 2g short route fmic kit this is a very good deal ...hope this helps ...

 

[Hideki]

If you're dead-set on a front mount, the SSAC intercooler kit is a good buy (I personally like my Greddy 24V and I don't wanna see replies about why I shouldn't think so). While I don't think it's overkill for a T28, in time when you upgrade to a larger turbo your intercooler needs will already be covered. Seriously, for the price of a custom sidemount you can get the SSAC front mount, but don't expect large horsepower gains either way.

 

[buddahboost]

I'd due fuel mods first then a fmic. Or even get a supra mount for the time being.

 

[live4my4g63]

yes do a supra side mount and a fuel system first, i wouldnt get a front mount unless you get a bigger turbo because a front mount take away 3 lbs of boost

 

[DSMsOwnYourV8]

My car was a lot faster with a big Fmic on my E3 16g, and so is my friend's with his little 16g... I don't see anyone losing power when having a bigger turbo than stock, and going with a fmic. Unless you are absolutely certain that you don't want a bigger turbo later, go with the Fmic.

 

[Nicks2319]

Do it once and do it right. I'd go with the SSAC FMIC, proven time and again to be the most bang for your buck. Don't waste your time and money by buying a bigger SMIC and then upgrading.

And all this talk about spool time and lag is nonsense, you aren't going to notice a difference with more piping, etc.

For reference:

http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/new...-personal-preference-actual-difference-2.html

 

[Nicks2319]

i wouldnt get a front mount unless you get a bigger turbo because a front mount take away 3 lbs of boost

This is just incorrect. How could a front mount "take away boost"? Your boost is set to a particular psi, it has nothing to do with how much space the pressurized air needs to fill.

 

[tkelly27]

I have a big 16g and I found my turbo spooled up faster going from a stock side mount to a big front mount. My friend has a stock minivan with a mitsu turbo smaller than the 13g. When going from a small IC to what most would consider a race core his car spooled up faster and made more power.

You can do the math on how long it takes one IC to fill up compared to another one, it's fractions of a second. There is most likely something wrong with a car if it's going slower with a front mount.

The point of a bigger IC is more surface area and more flow area. So saying it has a higher pressure drop is misinformed. I think the lower pressure drop is why I always see the boost come on earlier.

I'm not saying don't consider the side mount. I am saying if you are thinking about anything near 400whp, get a front mount. Also, record when and how your boost hits and stays on before and after, I think you'll be surprised.

 

[pboglio]

I found the opposite, slower spool on my T28 going from a SMIC to a FMIC, about 400 rpm worth. I've never been able to reduce it appreciably after that no matter what I did. The extra volume definitely hurt spoolup but the flip side was that when everything as "tuned" properly the car was dead consistent and knocked much less.

There could be 3 psi drop in a bad FMIC, totally doable with all these weakass ebay cores. I saw one ebay core somebody on tuners was bragging about that was maybe a 10" tall, 3" wide double pass core that was probably 24" long. That means a 5" tall core running 48". I could easily see a core like that completely strangling a motor at high rpms.

Mine is a 23" long by 10" tall core with extruded fins internally. Kind of weird to see cast heat sink fins inside a FMIC, but apparantly it works fine and the flow passages are huge. YMMV.