First time back at the track...

[SBstar]

Alright! There you go!

 

[RedEyeBanDiT]

Thanks Charles, you keep me motivated too!



So the front power steering pump bracket, intake to rear block bracket and the power steering pulley that mounts on the waterpump all together weigh in at 8 pounds. Here are the pics as promised...

I'm now working on the car getting the f'ed up timing covers back on for some protection for that lucky a$$ timing belt for when i street drive the thing.

Hey whats the purpose of the intake to block bracket? I mean if it all it does is hold a couple vacuum lines then why's it on the motor in the first place.

 

[Gooberlog]

Alright! There you go!

Thanks Shane! Yeah she's getting there. I feel a bit guilty for beating on her so much at once and two test and tune track days with in one week. I'd like to drive it to the VA and PA meets coming up in May and July so I'm kinda scared to beat on it too much before then.

As you could see, my 60' times still were not great yet. I think i need to disable the 2 step or set it to above my launch rpm and try launching with my own two feet like i used to when I'd pull mid 1.6's on a good night. Next time out I'll give that a shot. Not to mention next time I'll also pull the passenger seat out and hopefully some more weight will be out by then as well.

Some of the few things that i can think of removing that I've been putting off or contemplating are: 1) The 3 remaining ABS reluctor rings and wheel speed sensor (rotating/unsprung mass ) 2)Rear bumper impact beam that is super heavy (i've been kinda worried about this for street driving and parking lot damage as people in my area SUCK at driving) 3)Remove double din radio/cd combo all together or install the cheap single din CD player i have and then mount my boost and wide band gauges below it and put my center vent back in place. 4)Gas tank shield (every time i look at it it looks like a pain to get to some of the bolts and doesn't look like it would weight that much, but we are getting down to the nit and gritty.

I really think the only big weight mods will be: rear bumper, race seat w/ harness and ditching stock seats and power seat belts, removing dash to eliminate all heat & a/c behind dash and simplify engine wire harness of missing accessories wiring and reinstall dash with minimal pieces to appear stock.

Hey whats the purpose of the intake to block bracket? I mean if it all it does is hold a couple vacuum lines then why's it on the motor in the first place.

It holds the vacuum lines and it holds the connector for the knock sensor. Basically it's a little redundant and makes pulling the head on a 1g a chore. A simple reminder that there is lots of weight from useless parts that can be removed on a 1g track car.

 

[Phil1320]

After first reading your post I thought your best for the night was a 12.50. But what you were saying was you beat your previous best with a missed shift!

So, you have now matched your previous best ever on the 14b with two really consistent 12.42 runs! I knew you would crush that number. Alot, because you have a number to beat. It's not even April!

Those are two great runs and I like the consistency! That's telling me you're really starting to dial the driving in...shift points and such...which is what will get you to 11.9X. Now, dial in the launch and you will be low 12's without any other changes at all. I know you may not want to take it that far and I respect your decision, but, I think you are one of the handful that can hit that mark.

Just noticed you tipped into the 7's in the 1/8 with a 7.99 on one run, had you been in the 7's with your original 12.42 run? Congrats Trav...this is good stuff!

 

[Gooberlog]

Thanks again Phil! You're the main reason i keep pushing this little turbo. I'm slightly upset that i wasn't able to get 0.001 faster on my E/T but if i matched my time to beat and doing it with a lousy 1.83 60' then it's in the bag.

Next trip out i want to have the car around 40 pounds lighter (no pass seat-approx 35*, less fuel-bring the race gas jug and put in as needed, and remove some small things maybe by then). I also want to turn off the 2 step and try launching the car with the current suspension set up with a good alignment which did seem to help some, and see if i can get my 60' times by launching with no boost off the line but a higher rpm. I'm thrilled with how well the car has been doing and i really with my driving could have been better to nab me a really low 12 that night. If things work out ok, i'll like to try for a 11.99 pass on the 14b, but that's going to have to be a spot on run.

 

[Phil1320]

Thanks again Phil! You're the main reason i keep pushing this little turbo. I'm slightly upset that i wasn't able to get 0.001 faster on my E/T but if i matched my time to beat and doing it with a lousy 1.83 60' then it's in the bag.

Next trip out i want to have the car around 40 pounds lighter (no pass seat-approx 35*, less fuel-bring the race gas jug and put in as needed, and remove some small things maybe by then). I also want to turn off the 2 step and try launching the car with the current suspension set up with a good alignment which did seem to help some, and see if i can get my 60' times by launching with no boost off the line but a higher rpm. I'm thrilled with how well the car has been doing and i really with my driving could have been better to nab me a really low 12 that night. If things work out ok, i'll like to try for a 11.99 pass on the 14b, but that's going to have to be a spot on run.

Well, thanks! I'm glad I'm able to help keep you motivated. Staying on this turbo will hone your driving skills as well. Once you go to that big turbo your ability to learn its powerband relative to drag racing will be better.

If you get to 1.65-1.70 60' times and drive the way you have been, I'm guessing a 12.15-12.25 pass is within reach. Then it will take some digging to get that last couple tenths to tip into the 11's.

Again, I respect whatever decision you make about how far you want to take the 14b, but it would really be nice to see another hit 11's, especially when you have had interest in the 14b stuff at least since we met back in 2002.

Good luck with trying different launch techniques. I told the wife I wanted to make a trip down to MD and go to the track with you and offere anything I could, but, honestly, you're doing a fine job! I would still like to get down to MD sometime and hang around for a weekend.

 

[Gooberlog]

Yeah i think last week end would have been the one to come down. I mean 19 passes would have kept anyone entertained for a few hours.

 

[Gooberlog]

Last weekend as everyone remembers was beautiful outside, and what do you do on a nice day when your dsm is actually running? You go for a joy ride. I had my buddy with me and got on it pretty hard for a couple minutes. Was the perfect day, and then i went to spool up and heard a familiar wining noise. The same noise i heard from my last dsm when the turbo went up. I pop the hood and did a good inspection of the IC pipes and no problems there. Got the car home and on Monday i pulled the intake off. The turbo has moderate up and down play and minor in and out play. I did a boost leak test and the only leak was coming from my stock BOV at the valve. The turbo will spool up normal some times w/o any noise. Other times it won't spool right and makes the hollow wining noise.

Well just as my last two issues with the car, I'm going to turn things sideways and look at it as a reason to upgrade. I've been doing a lot of searching on the Holset HX35's and i think what better time than now. I will how ever have to tease this big turbo with fairly low boost levels for quite a while until i can fortify my engine a little tougher. I've sent some PMs to some of the guys on the cummins forum and no replies yet. Those guys really make me feel like a nerd since I'm on tuners daily and it's been a few days with no reply from a handful of guys. I'm hoping to have all of the pieces to mount and run this turbo on the street by the WV skyline drive meet on May 8th. We will see, that's a month away, but with the way things are going so far who knows.

The car has been sitting on the curb since Monday and after about three days the pollen got pretty ridiculous, here are a couple before and after shots when i washed the poor thing. Can you tell i waxed it last week?

 

[SBstar]

No! Don't leave the 14b behind yet!

Oh well, sorry about your luck man. The one thing about pushing 14b's this hard is that they don't seem to last very long, unless you're phil of course! You'll probably really like the Holset, seems everyone with them does.

But your car looks extremely sharp, a nice clean 1gb laser like that is pretty rare and yours looks great. Keep up the good work with it!

 

[Gooberlog]

Thanks Shane I REALLY appreciate the compliments on the car. The laser is not my favorite 1g dsm body style, but after a year and a half of looking around for a good deal, this one had the best all around body condition and un-tampered with engine bay. The paint finish on it wasn't that great but i washed it last week and then put a coat of Mother's carnuba wax on it, which pulled up a lot of dirt from the paint, and then put a coat of Meguiar's Gold Class polish wax on it. It came out about as good as i hoped it would. No miracles, but a nice polish on the sides of the car, the top of the car was a bit more punished from the elements through the years. It helps a lot that i have a fresh CF hood on it now though.

So i've been researching the Holset turbo's on a dsm platform for just about a year now. I really wanted to beat my old record before going that route first though. Honestly, running the exact same time as MY old 14b record but with a much slower 60', i've been pretty content with my 14b times. I do feel that the car had a 12.0-12.2 left in it on that turbo in good condition with a better 60' and some quicker shifting, but like you said, these turbos really don't like to see more than 20 psi for too long at a time. Now with my 14b going out, I feel it is the proper time to install a HX35 on the laser. Through some of my local dsm buddies i've been trying to source out the odds and ends to install the turbo. Last night i won and ebay auction for one that is in need of a rebuild. This should officially retire my laser from the 14b running's.

Not to worry, I won't forget these routes. A fast dsm with a big turbo is not that uncommon, although a lot of the guys i see should be running a lot quicker than they are for the power they're making. But people get totally sideways jawed WTF when they see my car run mid to low 12s on a stock turbo. Shoot, just hearing about it makes them stop and think, pause, and then go, "No, not on a stock turbo???" I tell them that the car is fairly light which makes it easier for the turbo to do it's job. They still have a hard time believing it. Guys if you thought my car looked and ran pretty good before, i'll try not to let you down with the next set up. Some nice parts are in the works for this boy, i just hope the engine and trans are up for the task for a while. Pics to come as soon as i have more to share. This thread has been about my return to the dsm racing world, so i will continue to share my experiences with you guys. Thanks for the support along the way guys!

 

[Phil1320]

Damn....... That's a bummer....

Well, you've been talking about running the HX turbo for some time now, I guess it's time!

Would have liked to see you run a bit deeper with the 14b, but, I'm sure you're looking at it as why spend the money to get another, or get your 14b repaired when all that can go to the next set up....

Any chance you'd consider EVO 3 16g before going to HX?

My last ditch effort to keep you on a small turbo

I know you've got your mind made up, and it's good that you are solid on what you want. I wish you the best of luck, and you know what? You can always drop a 14b back on the car down the line, after you've built your engine, like many of the guys have if it peaks your interest again.

I'm on the fence myself, not about what turbo obviously, but, about if I want to continue with DSM's at all. The Galant has been down for about a month now. It needs major work, well, major to me anyway. I did confirm that it needed a knock sensor......all of the material leaked onto the back of the engine block....and it does have other issues--exhaust mani and the turbine housing is like I've never seen before. I'll make a post somewhere and put some pics up. Needless to say, I knew it was really slow, now I know why.
As far as the Talon, I love it, but, I don't have a tow vehicle and/or a trailer and am really not in the position to acquire one. That makes it tough to just up and go to the track when I want to, and I'm always needing to rely on others to help, and they have, but I'd like to be a bit more independent. Meanwhile, the car sits.....

Anyway, I'm rambling on your thread.


Well, good luck with the HX turbo, I'm sure you'll tap into the 11's pretty easily and see traps on the other side ot 120 mph, that should be awesome!

Phil

ps--the car is killer looking, generally I'm not a fan of black cars, but, it's a nice blend with the anthracite and C/F hood. 92'-94' Laser is a unique style and I always liked the Laser's......oh, the pollen.....allergies kickin my azz for the last week!

 

[Gooberlog]

Thanks for trying to persuade me Phi,l but I knew if anyone would support my decision and understand it would be you. Yeah, it's just like you said, I don't want to use any money to get back to where i am now that could go in to the next set up. As for a EVO III 16G, i ran a ported and clipped big 16g on my white car when my 14b when up, so i kinda feel like I've already done that before. Not to mention the holset should be here sometime this week Being that my engine top to bottom is bone stock other than removed balance shafts and lower than acceptable compression numbers, I'll have to baby and tease this large turbo for a while. I think i might plan to do APR head studs, different head gasket and re-ring the block and new bearings. I keep seeing that guys saying the stock 6bolt with head studs is good for 500whp. I would like to do over 400whp on pump gas and maybe max out my set up at 500whp on race gas or pump/methanol down the road. That with some good driving and maybe a little more weight reduction will be capable of low 11- high 10 sec pass which would be my final goal with the car E/T wise.

 

[Phil1320]

Thanks for trying to persuade me Phi,l but I knew if anyone would support my decision and understand it would be you. Yeah, it's just like you said, I don't want to use any money to get back to where i am now that could go in to the next set up. As for a EVO III 16G, i ran a ported and clipped big 16g on my white car when my 14b when up, so i kinda feel like I've already done that before. Not to mention the holset should be here sometime this week Being that my engine top to bottom is bone stock other than removed balance shafts and lower than acceptable compression numbers, I'll have to baby and tease this large turbo for a while. I think i might plan to do APR head studs, different head gasket and re-ring the block and new bearings. I keep seeing that guys saying the stock 6bolt with head studs is good for 500whp. I would like to do over 400whp on pump gas and maybe max out my set up at 500whp on race gas or pump/methanol down the road. That with some good driving and maybe a little more weight reduction will be capable of low 11- high 10 sec pass which would be my final goal with the car E/T wise.

That's right, you did already play with the 16g stuff. I didn't know your Holset was on the way, sorry, missed that!

Well, in that case, I hope to hear of 11 second passes before the year is out, kinda the same that I wanted to hear, but on the 14b!!!

Either way, I'm sure it will be awesome. I hear some of the guys talk about how they like the top end pull of the big turbos at the track......and of course, they don't have to drive the car to within an inch of it's life to do it....

 

[Gooberlog]

Yeah that is something i'm looking forward to: not beating the living death out of the car for a new best. And Phil i meant to ask about your situation more, but i got called in to work this morning as i was typing that reply. So are you considering selling the talon and the galant and totally getting out of dsms? That would be ludicrous! I understand your situation with needing a tow vehicle which is why i'd like to keep my laser street able since i don't have a trailer. I think if push comes to shove, MAYBE try to sell the talon, but i would at least try to hang on to the vr4 for daily transportation for you and the fam. What's the deal, any idea which way you might go?

 

[Phil1320]

Yeah that is something i'm looking forward to: not beating the living death out of the car for a new best. And Phil i meant to ask about your situation more, but i got called in to work this morning as i was typing that reply. So are you considering selling the talon and the galant and totally getting out of dsms? That would be ludicrous! I understand your situation with needing a tow vehicle which is why i'd like to keep my laser street able since i don't have a trailer. I think if push comes to shove, MAYBE try to sell the talon, but i would at least try to hang on to the vr4 for daily transportation for you and the fam. What's the deal, any idea which way you might go?

No problem!

Well, I'm not exactly sure. I have alot of automotive interests, and while I have the DSM, there's no room for another car, not another "toy" anyway. I miss having a car that I can jump in and head out to a cruise night etc. The VR4 could be that car, but most likely not. I know I haven't been into DSM's as long as some, but, this July marks 14 years since I took interest and October is 14 years that I've had the Talon. I've owned two '90 FWD Laser's and two EVO's along the way. So, I've had a few of these cars. I really like them, I still think they are the best all around bang for the buck car. I just don't have the time like I used to either. So, being able to work on the cars is tough too. I've had a good time over the years with the 14b stuff. I'd like to give it one more go, then either switch turbos to EVO 3 16g and/or switch the car over to a road race set-up. I think I'm just kinda run thin with the drag racing as a whole. Once the car became a race only deal, it became harder and harder to get to the strip. Lots of work actually, and a decent amount of money spent too, for very little driving excitement. If I were to sell the talon, the VR4 would go too. The Eagle Talon is the true reason I'm into DSM's. I never looked once at an Eclipse for my own. And along the way I liked the Laser's as well. So, if I sold the Talon, I would end my term with DSM's there. Not that I wouldn't pick up another EVO someday, but, as far as the older cars go, that would be it.

So, it's all up in the air. I have some decisions to make. If I decide to put the rollbar in the car.....then obviously, I'll give it another go. The talon would actually make a great road course track day car, and I'd actually like to represent on that side. All the suspension is done. A rollcage, power steering back in, and obviously wheels and tires and the car is ready to go.

I honestly don't want to let the Talon go.....every time I see it a smile is on my face. I'm just leaving options open as I have to at this point. I'm not going to let it go for cheap money either, there's alot of parts on the car, and alot of time in it, and it's in pretty awesome shape, so it would have to be a fair deal, or the car will be with me forever. Anyone who would eventually acquire it obviously would only for racing. All the hard work is done for the most part. Add cage, add chute, add fuel system, add built motor/turbo...run single digit ET's.

Oh, check out my "3rd and FINAL Round 2009" post for a little info on my VR4. I'll try to post some pics again, for whatever reason, they wouldn't upload yesterday.

 

[Gooberlog]

I honestly don't want to let the Talon go.....every time I see it a smile is on my face. I'm just leaving options open as I have to at this point. I'm not going to let it go for cheap money either, there's alot of parts on the car, and alot of time in it, and it's in pretty awesome shape, so it would have to be a fair deal, or the car will be with me forever. Anyone who would eventually acquire it obviously would only for racing. All the hard work is done for the most part. Add cage, add chute, add fuel system, add built motor/turbo...run single digit ET's.

Yeah i wouldn't sell the talon unless you got enough for it to make you happy. Don't forget that it's a clean 1g (whcih is quite rare now a days) and never forget that it has ran on the lower side of mid 11's! I'm going to try to find your galant thread now.

 

[SBstar]

If I were to sell the talon, the VR4 would go too

BLASPHEMY!

If anything just make it street legal again so you can enjoy it.

But threadjacking...Gotta love those Holset's eh!

 

[Gooberlog]

BLASPHEMY!

If anything just make it street legal again so you can enjoy it.

But threadjacking...Gotta love those Holset's eh!

Shane I'm not sure how to pronounce that word, but that's the same kind of jiberish that came out of my mouth when Phil said he would get rid of the vr4 if he sold the talon. I'm not worried about any thread jacking in here as it has come down to the 3 of us just BSing mostly anyway. As for the Holset, i love it just reading about it, but after riding in my friends car the other night with a 61mm turbo at 26 psi, oh baby, it's time to upgrade!

 

[SBstar]

Yeah, he certainly knows how to get our panties in a wad eh? It's amazing how much you can regret selling/getting rid of a car, if it's not practical as a race car at least just street it

I need to ride in a properly setup larger turbo car, I have a buddy with a 3052ish setup making close to 400hp but it doesn't feel all that impressive. I love the quick spool and nearly instant response of the smaller turbo's, which is why I always say I doubt I'll go bigger then an evo III even in the future. I'm sure someday someone's car will change my mind.

 

[Gooberlog]

I love the quick spool and nearly instant response of the smaller turbo's, which is why I always say I doubt I'll go bigger then an evo III even in the future. I'm sure someday someone's car will change my mind.

If you want someone to change your mind, read up on the holset threads. Changed my mind. Some guys are seeing upwards of 32psi by 3800rpms, but this turbo flows more than a 50 trim! GIGGITY!

 

[Phil1320]

Sorry guys! I just have to leave my options open. Some things may be changing in the near future that will help promote me keeping these cars....as in a tow vehicle may be hitting the driveway before too long. Not a DESIGNATED TOW vehicle, but something that will do that job when I need it to. Don't worry, I'm not about to throw it all away for the hell of it. I just find myself wondering alot if it's time for change.

As far as the talon becoming a street car again......

With me and the two of you, it would take us weeks of steady work to make that happen....not to mention....many of the parts needed to do that are long gone. It would be a task. I had thought about transferring EVERYTHING from the talon into the VR4--- that would make a pretty bad-ass VR4----ok everything except the talon's original engine---I would build the VR4 engine and drop the EVO3 on there.......but, there are some Galant Specific things that would be needed.....but, maybe someday that will happen.

Yeah i wouldn't sell the talon unless you got enough for it to make you happy. Don't forget that it's a clean 1g (whcih is quite rare now a days) and never forget that it has ran on the lower side of mid 11's! I'm going to try to find your galant thread now.

Agreed! Good points.

BLASPHEMY!

If anything just make it street legal again so you can enjoy it.

But threadjacking...Gotta love those Holset's eh!

I wish I could sometimes. If I get the Galant in good shape it shoule be able to represent well on the street and simulate to a point what the Talon was and like Trav said....good family cruiser........yes, family.......that's why there will be no more 2 door vehicles in the driveway for quite a while. So, no Talons, and my single cab pick up is on it's way out in favor of an SUV.

 

[SBstar]

You know that I would never blame you for doing something in the name of family. However, I will try to convince you to do everything in your power to keep from having to get rid of the talon I've let too many go and I've regretted it every time. But I can say you'd come back to one, or something similar (galant).

I have read through alot of those Holset threads, mostly because a local here has an H1C, he just needs a proper IC and I think some larger injectors before he's boosting. Has to save up the cash first. I'm on the list for a ride once it's tuned properly. I think the biggest thing will be having that feeling of power on the top end. But for now I'm still loving my 14b fun and I'm looking forward to accomplishing a few goals with it before I upgrade. It's nice finally driving a "fun" car again.

 

[Gooberlog]

Glad your back on the road. I can see giving up easier if the car was down more than it was running. I've been very fortunate with the laser thus far.

 

[Gooberlog]

Well I got the holset turbo in the mail about a little over a week ago. He sent the wrong one. I mailed the HY35 back monday and he was supposed to mail out the HX35 the same day but he "forgot" and should be mailing it out tomorrow. My bolt on housing came in and i'm about to order my little misc. stuff from extremepsi.com. Come to find out my buddy Bob has a set of injectors that will work and he will be taking my 550's for his car. Things are starting to come together and I'm hoping in a couple weeks i will have the turbo on in good condition.

 

[dsm8883]

I have had b16's, fp turbos and now a holset on a 2.3----sick is all i have to say. it spools stupid fast and holds your ass in the seat until you red line, gear after gear.