Finally leaving Stage 2...progress with issues

[XMasta19]

So I finally got some time to undergo the project of installing my built short block and megasquirt among many other miscellaneous upgrades. I got the whole motor out yesterday without any real problems or concerns. Jacked the car up, and dropped the motor completely assembled, tranny with axles and all right out to the side

Today start taking stuff from the old block and bolting onto the new one while it's hanging there....now the issues. I got the ARP head stud kit 141-4202 from a member on here brand new in box. Come to realize that the studs will not thread into the block. They seem to be fatter than the stock tty head bolts and the threads themselves are actually different. Hell, they wouldn't even fit in the two outside holes with the dowels. The kit seemed to be fully intact and brand new as stated...but this can't be right WTF

I also have not even managed to get my AF/X udp off of my old crank. The hobbby shop here on base has the "harmonic dampener removal tool", yet in all their random bolts in the kit...none would thread into the pulley. I know I'm going to need a longer M12 x 1.50 bolt to help install the pulley, but couldn't find anywhere after searching what the actual bolt sizes are to use in the pulley. It would be kinda hard to just walk in the hardware store carrying my whole bottom end just to find the right size

The hobby shop is actually closed now until wednesday, so I have a little bit of time to figure all this out seeing as my car is in pieces and charging me a stall fee until I do. With the new block and megasquirt, my new headgasket is gonna do jack for me if I have to end up using stock replacement headbolts. I've found the exact part numbers etc to order directly from ARP, but can't just drop another $150 plus to have it all shipped 2day air here to me in Alaska. meh....looks like my little weekend project is turning into another dsm is broken sig on all my forums . Oh well, the one night she finally ran was fun. Any help with these issues would be greatly appreciated

 

[Blitzeclips]

X, sory to hear about your luck. I wish I could spot you the $150, but I don't think I could even spot myself on that. I've gotsome stock studs if you want, I can send them out to you.

Atleast this isn't a huge mechanical issue. Hell, you've lucked out compared to most people. BTW, Don't forget the o-ring in your bedplate! I hate that damn thing...

 

[bullettdsm]

Hey X,

I saw you over on 2gnt. I thought you couldn't get on there? Anyway, did a search and came up with this thread:

http://forums.2gnt.com/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=5&topic_id=67594&mode=full

It looks like it is 3/8 coarse thread 4" bolts (in case you can't connect on link). I'm sorry to hear about the crappy luck. If we were dealing with the 4g63 engine, I could see the 6 bolt, 7 bolt arp head studs problem. But IDK what you're dealing with there.

I hope that is helpful and good luck with the re-start

MB

 

[Talon ESI-T]

X, i take it you found the issue with the no start? I havent had much time to look into it i am sorry. Had a lto going on around the house ect.


If i recall on my pulley the bolts were 3/8 but the threads needed to be chased with a tap. Maybe look into that. As far as your crank bolt. Send me a pm with your address again and i will ship you the bolt i made to install the pulley. You can keep it and i can find another at a local pep boys.

Terry

 

[XMasta19]

Thanks for the link MB...I remember reading some posts in that thread, but I must have scrolled down too fast As for the studs...maybe my wife will spot me the $150 plus on her credit card hehe. I just don't feel like wasting my time using stock headbolts when I'm wanting to turn the boost up more. I saw a post by dougie on 2gnt with the exact part numbers of everything to order from ARP directly, so I guess that's what I'll try. I'll bring it to them on the phone of course that I got the 141-4202 kit and it's not correct.

 

[DSMcrazy3]

X, i take it you found the issue with the no start?

I believe it was his Crank sensor that was unplugged





Sorry X, I had to..

 

[XMasta19]

...I told him bout it in a pm. Anywho, it wasn't unplugged...it was the fact that the little clip or tab what not to hold it in was broken off, so it just sat there not making a connection

 

[XMasta19]

meh...ordered all the parts individually directly from ARP this morning. All shipping out UPS blue label, so I should have them by wednesday when I get to work on my car again. Now I just gotta find out how to get my money back for this useless kit I have sitting around

 

[bullettdsm]

I know you probably will, but let us know what ARPs you did receive (if you find out).
MB

I meant the bad ones

 

[XMasta19]

Update time:

Well the hobby shop and it's dumb "summer hours" finally opened back up today, and I got to work on my baby some more. Got a few more things bolted onto the new block as it's hanging there...ie: alternator, sensors etc on back of block, oil filter dealio, new water pump etc. I picked up the three 3/8" bolts for the pulley this morning on my way there. The hobby shop had the real "Chrysler Harmonic Dampener removal/installation tool" and damn that thing was the pimp shizzle. Since I couldn't use the jaw pulling portion of it, I took the main accessories and used them with the Snap-on puller. It came with a rod what not to put in the center, but since my AF/X was never actually installed all the way on, it didn't stick out any. I ended up utilizing the infamous 6" 1/4" drive extension, so using the three bolts and holes in the udp...that baby came off like butter. Then the installation was just as amazing. Apparently one of the accessories in the kit is a little thrust bearing that goes right up against the pulley...no need to use a longer crank bolt with washers etc. The main center bolt threaded right into the crank, then just tightened a nut up against the thrust bearing and pushed the pulley all the way on.

As much as that was quite an accomplishment to me, the biggest of the day was yet to come. I got the flexplate, clutch, and tranny bolted on and hangin with the block. So tomorrow I can torque the head on, install cams etc, then do the timing. The engine bay will have a motor once again! Depending on how slow I work and whether or not I can get a babysitter for the afternoon...could be up and running tomorrow evening. The goal is definitely to have the motor back in place with mounts and what not good to go...then just hooking up everything else.

So turns out the studs I originally received were mispackaged with 12mm instead of our 11mm x 1.50 UPS delivered my lovely new ARP shiznit this evening woohoo. meh...end of my long tedious rant .

 

[DSMcrazy3]

Nice X, good to hear everything is coming together nicely. Hopefully you can get something out of that dispute you filed on the wrong studs.

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