Engine Swap - problems with flywheel

[cmoney]

I have a 1990 AWD Turbo Talon and i bought a lower mileage engine to swap into my car. Now the garage is telling me that they have the engine and everything esle bolted in and ready to get it back to me (finally) but they said the flywheel doesn't fit with the engine. :thumbdown

Whats wrong!!!!!

Do i need a different flywheel? If i do get a new flywheel will i need a new clutch too?
Did i get screwed over by the place i bought the engine from?
- the garage said that the oil housing was in a different place then my original engine

Any input would be helpful thanks!
ps i'm not a genius when it come to DSM's so if you could keep things as simple as possible that would be great!

 

[flinguist]

It might be a 1G 7 bolt flywheel motor. If that's the case you'll need a different flywheel. You should be able to get a used one cheap, but make sure it's in good shape before using it.

 

[mavisky]

That's the only thing I can figure is that you got a 7 bolt motor (congrats on that btw :thumbdown ) and it won't bolt up. Without any info as to why it won't fit I can't help anymore.

 

[cmoney]

Yeah I guess its a 7 bolt, I ordered a 6 but they must have sent me a 7 :thumbdown
Both the flywheel and where it connects have 6 holes but they both don't line up.
If I just buy a flywheel off of a 7 bolt will that line up with my ACT 2600 clutch that I had on my other engine???

thanks for the help so far, i'm starting to go insane with this car...isn't the first problem i've had in this swap

 

[Bostedquest]

the GST and AWD clutches ARE different.
Trust me I know... due to an engine swap I am doing.

 

[Bostedquest]

forgot to elaborate...
The spline count is different between the two, and I believe the AWD has a thicker spline as well. I am not positive, but I also think the flywheels are different.
So if you are swapping in a GST motor, you will have those issues if they do not swap over those parts.

Otherwise your tring to put 6 bolt parts on a 7 bolts motor...
Call and get more details on what is wrong...

 

[mavisky]

Yeah I guess its a 7 bolt, I ordered a 6 but they must have sent me a 7 :thumbdown
Both the flywheel and where it connects have 6 holes but they both don't line up.

If both the engine and the flywheel have 6 holes, there's no reason they shouldn't line up. If so something else big might be wrong here.

 

[cmoney]

So if I a flywheel for a 7 bolt turbo does it matter if I buy one off a FWD or an AWD?
My car was a AWD but i'm not sure what kind the new motor came out of.

And will my ACT clutch that i had on the 6 bolt awd before the swap work with a 7 bolt flywheel from either the FWD or AWD?

 

[mavisky]

Look here's exactly what you need to do. Look at the motor and count how many threaded holes are in the crankshaft where the flywheel bolts up. If there are 7 then get a 7 bolt flywheel for an awd, if there are 6 then you'll need a 6 bolt awd flywheel.

your clutch will bolt up to either, doesn't matter.

 

[Bostedquest]

If there are 7 then get a 7 bolt flywheel for an awd, if there are 6 then you'll need a 6 bolt awd flywheel.

your clutch will bolt up to either, doesn't matter.

The spline count on the GST and GSX are different. So that comment is false. I know this for a fact because the transmission I am using has the spline count and size of the AWD. The GST clutch WILL NOT fit the input shaft. If you say it does, I have about 20 people that will point you wrong. All are doing the same swap I am doing.

 

[mavisky]

Sorry I meant it'll fit either a 7 bolt or 6 bolt awd, not the fwd/awd part.

 

[cmoney]

Ok I looked and the 6 holes on the AWD flywheel don't line up with the 6 bolts on the new engine, therefore it must be the 6 bolt FWD. So I plan on buying a flywheel and clutch for the FWD.

I know this for a fact because the transmission I am using has the spline count and size of the AWD. The GST clutch WILL NOT fit the input shaft.

does this mean that i'm going to have to get a FWD tranny too?

 

[mavisky]

Ok I looked and the 6 holes on the AWD flywheel don't line up with the 6 bolts on the new engine, therefore it must be the 6 bolt FWD. So I plan on buying a flywheel and clutch for the FWD.



does this mean that i'm going to have to get a FWD tranny too?

Something is very wrong then. My 6 bolt nt flywheel bolts up to a 6 bolt turbo block. All 6 bolt cranks are identical whether they are for the 2.0 nt, 2.0 turbo fwd, or 2.0 turbo awd. The flywheels are different, but not at the bolt holes. Any of the 6 bolt flywheels for all 3 cars I listed should match up perfectly with your engine. There is something seriously weird about the motor you ordered or the flywheel you had before. Take pictures of them for us if you can. One of the flywheel, one of the motor, and one of you trying to match them together.

 

[Bostedquest]

Ok I looked and the 6 holes on the AWD flywheel don't line up with the 6 bolts on the new engine, therefore it must be the 6 bolt FWD. So I plan on buying a flywheel and clutch for the FWD.



does this mean that i'm going to have to get a FWD tranny too?

If the car is AWD leave it...
Ok... Hmm...
6 bolt crank... 6 bolt flywheel...
Are they even attempting to line up the dowl pin?...
I mean... the depths (of the flywheels) between the GST/GSX are different, but not the bolt patterens...
This makes no sense...
I do not know if the 420 has a different pattern though, but I coulda swore they were 7 bolters?...
I mean hell all the Mitsu narrow/wide 6 bolt 2.0's built since 80 something have the same pattern...

HOLD ON...

Is it a real mitsu engine or a Hyundai G3CS? (or what ever they are) Those have a raised flange (that is removible) but it is there...
Hold on I will post a link...... Does it look like this one?
http://beatingyou.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=90
If so you need to remove that flange, and your all good...

 

[mavisky]

If the car is AWD leave it...
Ok... Hmm...
6 bolt crank... 6 bolt flywheel...
Are they even attempting to line up the dowl pin?...
I mean... the depths (of the flywheels) between the GST/GSX are different, but not the bolt patterens...
This makes no sense...
I do not know if the 420 has a different pattern though, but I coulda swore they were 7 bolters?...
I mean hell all the Mitsu narrow/wide 6 bolt 2.0's built since 80 something have the same pattern...

HOLD ON...

Is it a real mitsu engine or a Hyundai G3CS? (or what ever they are) Those have a raised flange (that is removible) but it is there...
Hold on I will post a link...... Does it look like this one?
http://beatingyou.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=90
If so you need to remove that flange, and your all good...

I'd been pondering the hyundai motor idea, but so far he's made it sound like he's sure the motor he got was a turbo, but never explicitly stated the fact.

 

[Bostedquest]

I'd been pondering the hyundai motor idea, but so far he's made it sound like he's sure the motor he got was a turbo, but never explicitly stated the fact.

"I have a 1990 AWD Turbo Talon and i bought a lower mileage engine to swap into my car."

If the yard or whoever removed intake/exhaust manifolds...

Right now I am almost positive he got a hyundai motor... and got jipped... because the internal parts ARE NOT hardened like the mitsu ones... Hyundai bought the rights to remake it, so the parts were not Mitsu ones, but identical to them save the nitrate process...

If the engine is in the car... you need to remove the exhaust manifold and scrape the engine ID plate... get the letter/number combo off of that. If it is anything but 4G63... your starting over... sorry...

 

[rjgeier]

I don't know how people are this stupid. Doens't anyone research anything or is it just buy buy buy?

 

[Bostedquest]

I don't know how people are this stupid. Doens't anyone research anything or is it just buy buy buy?

That is helpful... People call and ask for a XXX engine, yard gives them engine... yes they SHOULD double check, but half of us do not (hell I have not in the past). We take the yard at its word. This one he should have checked... afterall, the engines are identical in appearance. You probly would have made the same mistake...
Calling someone stupid solves nothing. It was a mistake.

 

[mavisky]

Not all Hyudai parts are knock-offs. I work for Hyundai and buy alot of my parts through our parts department and everything I've ordered so far for my 4g63 has had a Mitsubishi emblem on it.

 

[TalonRcR]

the GST and AWD clutches ARE different.
Trust me I know... due to an engine swap I am doing.

The clutches are not different the flywheel is.

Chris

 

[DevilSperm]

the awd flywheels are about an inch smaller in diameter...but that doesnt solve why it doesnt line up...so regardless of what flywheel he has....something is up with the crank

 

[Bostedquest]

The clutches are not different the flywheel is.

Chris

then tell me why a GST clutch will not fit my trans input shaft but a GSX clutch will?

The 1G for certain has different input shafts between the 2 types.
Trust me... first hand... they are different.

go to www.beatingyou.com/forum and ask the same question there... you will find the same answer...

 

[TalonRcR]

then tell me why a GST clutch will not fit my trans input shaft but a GSX clutch will?

The 1G for certain has different input shafts between the 2 types.
Trust me... first hand... they are different.

go to www.beatingyou.com/forum and ask the same question there... you will find the same answer...

MB010 and MB010X and MB010XX will work on any turbocharge 4g63 DSM. There is not a different clutch that ACT makes for a FWD or AWD.

Chris

 

[mavisky]

MB010 and MB010X and MB010XX will work on any turbocharge 4g63 DSM. There is not a different clutch that ACT makes for a FWD or AWD.

Chris

Just for even more clarification. As we all know the splines are in the disc. So if I look up different clutch kits for fwd or awd, the clutch discs should be different if there is the problem he stated. These are the MB1-XTSS setups which are the 2600lb xtreme pressure plate with an organic street disc.

89-92 awd
2600 street disc
MBSD010S

89-92 fwd
2600 street disc
MBSD010S

93-99 awd
2600 street disc
MBSD010S

93-99 fwd
2600 street disc
MBSD010S

All of these will have the same spline count, the only area spline count comes to be a problem is between the tranny and transfercase. Hell the awd clutch will fit onto the shaft of my 2.0 nt tranny. It won't work, but that's a different story that has to do with clearance.

 

[cmoney]

"I have a 1990 AWD Turbo Talon and i bought a lower mileage engine to swap into my car."

If the yard or whoever removed intake/exhaust manifolds...

Right now I am almost positive he got a hyundai motor... and got jipped... because the internal parts ARE NOT hardened like the mitsu ones... Hyundai bought the rights to remake it, so the parts were not Mitsu ones, but identical to them save the nitrate process...

If the engine is in the car... you need to remove the exhaust manifold and scrape the engine ID plate... get the letter/number combo off of that. If it is anything but 4G63... your starting over... sorry...

I specifically ordered a 1990 Eagle Talon 2.0 Turbo engine from the yard, i still have the email and everything! I will try to get the letter/number combo tomorrow and I will also try to get some pics of the flywheel, crank, and maybe a few other things for you guys.
I appreciate the help so far, but I need to get this finished!!!