Eagle Or Scat?

[RipperXX]

Eagle & Scat rods are about the same price, and unless I am wrong they are both about as strong as one another so which would you go with?

 

[HIGHPSI4]

I have run the scat rods for a couple years now with no problems.

 

[RipperXX]

I do not doubt both rods are good rods, I am just curious who would recommend one over the other, and why?

Seeing as there both decent rods and priced within a few dollars of each other.

 

[kahl23]

Ive been running Eagles/Wisecos for the past few years, no problem. Good for everything my 16g could throw at it (12.0@116). That being said, I have no 1st hand experience with Scat. What are your goals for the motor?

 

[project_tsi]

Both are great rods and equally priced. The 4g63 Eagles have been out longer than the Scat's, and they had some earlier production run problems with the big end size being in spec, but that has all changed now. I have built an engine using Eagles 2 years ago in my 2.3L stroker and all the specs were great. I'm now building a 2.0 using Eagles as well.

Again both are good rods.

 

[T9S1i]

i run scat/weiscos in my built 6-bolt. i did a lot of research at the time and the only difference i could find was that scat kept same stock oiling hole under the piston end of the rod were eagle didnt. mitsu engineers put that oiling hole for a reason so i figured id keep it.

 

[pneumo]

i run scat/weiscos in my built 6-bolt. i did a lot of research at the time and the only difference i could find was that scat kept same stock oiling hole under the piston end of the rod were eagle didnt. mitsu engineers put that oiling hole for a reason so i figured id keep it.

+1
That hole is aimed to squirt oil onto the thrust side of the cylinder. It'll improve durability and reduce friction. Plus, it'll bleed off a little extra oil pressure.

 

[pickens]

Scat rods are basically eagless except Scat actually checks them before they go out the door. With Eagles you may get rods that are too close to out of tolerance for my liking. SCAT gets the vote for better quality control.

 

[twicks69]

No problems with my Eagles. Had them for a while (2+years), and they handle 9's no problem, along with nearly 1000HP at the crank.

 

[90laserRSfwd]

Are we talking about the Eagle H beam rods ? I'd say the SCAT's over the eagle's too in that case because of the above mentioned feature. Not to mention the scat rods are lighter as I recall. This does not include the eagle I beams, as they are a stronger design the there H beam relatives (eagle H beam, and the SCAT's of course)

 

[twicks69]

I am using Eagle H-BEAM rods. The 6-volt version are 575 grams a piece, while the 7-bolt version are 550 grams a piece.

I would state that the Scat H-beam rods are comprable to the Eagle H-beams, as they are nearly identical in all aspects.
*Forged 4340 steel
*ARP 2000 3/8" rod bolts included.
*Comprable weight.
*Comprable horsepower ratings.
*Comprable pricing (Both can be found around $300.00).

Pick one.

 

[awesome_asim187]

Well I am also debating on using Eagles now. I was so set on getting eagle's. Scats rods hust sound better.

 

[brute]

I would state that the Scat H-beam rods are comprable to the Eagle H-beams, as they are nearly identical in all aspects.

Aside from the stock oiling hole. Does this retainment cause enough difference to change from Eagle to Scat (well that would be if you already have the motor).

Let me rephrase: Is the oiling hole important enough to justify the extra few dollars?

Do other rods block/create this hole?

 

[99gst_racer]

Scat rods are basically eagless except Scat actually checks them before they go out the door. With Eagles you may get rods that are too close to out of tolerance for my liking. SCAT gets the vote for better quality control.

Not quite. I've seen some nasty stuff come out of both of their facilities. I've seen more quality issues with Scat than Eagle. I had a customer that had some issues with a scat rotating assembly that I sold him. He sent it back to us for inspection, and I was baffled to say the least. I almost needed a tetanus shot after handling the thing.

With both companys (and almost any manufacturing company these days), some less-than-par product is going to sneak out from time to time. But the majority of the product is in spec, and fine to use. It's up to us as consumers to make sure that the product we receive is just as we ordered.

With that being said, I use Eagles.

 

[99gst_racer]

Let me rephrase: Is the oiling hole important enough to justify the extra few dollars?

Do other rods block/create this hole?

It's not that important at all. Our engines have oil squirters to keep the pistons lubricated. With the Eagles (and any other rod that doesn't have an oil passage), the oil will simply escape via the clearance between the rod and the crank journal. In many cases, this oil spray upward, lubricating the walls, rings, and pistons anyway.

Cliff Notes: Engines survive with and without this oil passage in the connecting rods.

 

[tsibryan]

I am using Eagle H-BEAM rods.

Thanks for clearing that up twicks. I had read in another thread that you used Eagles, but shortly after that someone mentioned I-beam Eagles which I've yet to see. Good to see some H-beam eagles making some reliable power

 

[SBR Joe]

What about Manley or Engine Pro?? Engine pros are my numero uno choice becuase they are a lot cheaper, and they are just as strong as any of its competitors.



Joe

 

[90laserRSfwd]

engine pro ??? hmm....

 

[RipperXX]

Never heard of engine pro.


Hmm Still not sure since one guy was talking about a piss poor product he got. But I think I will go with scat since they have that oil passage.

That being said my engine build is still a long ways off so I guess I still have time to think about it, I just wanted to know why any of you would pick one over the other.


Thanks for the info, I had no idea about the oil passage.

 

[Big Woo]

Having used both several times. I prefer Scats.
I have noticed many times that the Eagle rods have a parrallel problem between the axis of the crank pin bore and the wrist pin bore. People most likely do not check this.

For my presonal motors I have always used Olivers.

 

[90laserRSfwd]

I like Eagles... But I just bought a new set of SCAT rods off "big88performance" on ebay for less then $300 shipped... man I love ebay express!

ok I don't want to give an exact price because I'm not trying to make anyone angry here, but it was less then 280 shipped... LESS.......

 

[RipperXX]

That is only a few dollars less than retail, unless I am mistaken. And I just dont trust ebay for something like this.

Floor mats, sure. Engine parts no way. Thanks for the idea though.

 

[90laserRSfwd]

he's my old boss

 

[90laserRSfwd]

eBay Motors: Mitsubishi 4G63B Eclipse Talon Laser H Beam Rods Turbo (item 200192805943 end time Feb-15-08 14:50:58 PST)

Just another reason why I chose the SCAT rods, less then $300 and rated to 950 hp, check out this add on ebay, not that I know this particular company. Just wanted to let everyone see that H beam rods (eagle, scat, whoever) are good for way more then 600hp, as twicks69 can vouch for......

 

[99gst_racer]

Just another reason why I chose the SCAT rods, less then $300 and rated to 950 hp, check out this add on ebay, not that I know this particular company. Just wanted to let everyone see that H beam rods (eagle, scat, whoever) are good for way more then 600hp, as twicks69 can vouch for......

Well, if you're shopping by price alone, then it's a baised opinion, because many others can find good deals on either.

FYI: I paid $250 for my Eagles.