E-manage Ultimate vs. DSMLink

[stage2eclipse]

Hey guys, I just bought a scm61 for my car and I'm going 2.3. I'm trying to figure out what engine management to go with. eventually I'm gonna get AEM EMS, but I don't have that kind of money right now. I don't know if I want to go with DSM link or the new e-manage ultimate. The reason is, they're both about the same price, but, with the dsm link, you have to change the eprom chip, so that would change the factory settings in the ecu. with the e-manage, you would still use the factory settings and just piggyback the e-manage. correct me if I'm wrong, please. the thing that I'm not sure about is when I'm gonna go to adjust the timing. if i keep the stock chip, then the stock ecu is gonna try to retard the timing on its own, right?. And then it will be difficult to keep an accurate timing map as far as retarding the timing at the same points every time. Personally, i want to go with the e-manage, but I'm all ears. If you guys can, please leave some feedback so that i can really be explained the differences between the two. thanks guys

 

[rowlex]

I'd go with dsmlink.

 

[GVR4592]

I don't think you can get all of the feature of dsmlink with emanage ultimate, and if you could the price is higher than dsmlink. You have to buy a harness that isn't included in the base price of the emanage. The installation would definitely be harder than dsmlink. Not to mention the amount of people that have dsmlink, and the customer service and after purchase support of dsmlink. There are a few features of dsmlink that emanage might not have that I'm not sure about. Does the emanage give you options for maf sensors (1g, 2g, gvr4)? Does it have a built in adjustable stutterbox, or nitrous controls? Can it control really large injectors, like 1000's or 1600's? Does the emanage have a datalogger that can compete with the dsmlink datalogger? If you over run your maf sensor dsmlink can use a map sensor to calculate the airflow. I don't think emanage can can do that. The dsmlink forums are full of very knowledgeable people that can help you with almost any problem you might experience with dsmlink, if any. Also the next software version of dsmlink is going to have some very big improvements and options that are going to make it the most affordable, user friendly, and powerful tuning tool for under $600.

 

[rowlex]

With dsmlink you can set the car up so that the ecu somewhat knows you are running a larger motor (with airflow compensation stuff). As your ECU with the emanage will think you are still running on a 2.0 liter. Although not incredibly important but definently nice to have. Along with all the other options avaliable with dsmlink as well as the support forums. I do not know much/anything about the emanage tho. Also it's really nice to be able to log/read knock.

 

[2gGSX]

I'd have to agree with the helpfulness of the forums.

As far as your question, DSMlink will be able to help you keep an accurate timing map.

It does not use the stock chip however--it uses a chip burned with the DSMlink code.

 

[HighPSI TSi Guy]

E-manage has more fuel and timing control.. however DSMlink has a lot of useful small features as well that E-manage doesn't have

 

[4wd-Eclipse]

Go for Link ..... if you looking for simple installation + easy to use + great support forums + proven.

 

[stage2eclipse]

Hey guys, I just bought a scm61 for my car and I'm going 2.3. I'm trying to figure out what engine management to go with. eventually I'm gonna get AEM EMS, but I don't have that kind of money right now. I don't know if I want to go with DSM link or the new e-manage ultimate. The reason is, they're both about the same price, but, with the dsm link, you have to change the eprom chip, so that would change the factory settings in the ecu. with the e-manage, you would still use the factory settings and just piggyback the e-manage. correct me if I'm wrong, please. the thing that I'm not sure about is when I'm gonna go to adjust the timing. if i keep the stock chip, then the stock ecu is gonna try to retard the timing on its own, right?. And then it will be difficult to keep an accurate timing map as far as retarding the timing at the same points every time. Personally, i want to go with the e-manage, but I'm all ears. If you guys can, please leave some feedback so that i can really be explained the differences between the two. thanks guys

I know that you have to change the chip and i already have a burned EPROM with 9500 rev limit, 850's, 2-step,etc. I would have to get rid of that one and put in the one from dsm link, right? I do have the MSD DIS 2 with boost retard, its not on the car right now, but i would rather make a permanent change in the stock settings in the ecu rather than piggyback it onto the ecu and try to fool it into retarding timing when i want it to. it is difficult to keep the timing map accurate when you have the ecu trying to retard the timing at the same time that the MSD box or E-Manage is trying to as well. this is where im trying to get at.

 

[Mackzero]

I would say you DEFINATELY need to go DSMLink in your case. The ecu has a target timing and A/F Ratio it wants to hit. When you knock, it lowers that timing curve to control that. Without getting too complicated here, why trick your ecu to get results when you can simply adjust its parameters slightly and it will actually do what you want it to instead. Just get DSMLink and call it good.

 

[rowlex]

E-manage has more fuel and timing control.. however DSMlink has a lot of useful small features as well that E-manage doesn't have

Can you explain what more fuel/timing controls the e-manage has over dsmlink?? Dsmlink has injector compensation along with fuel dead time compensation. Also has 500 rpm sliders for rpm based fuel control. It also has 500 RPM timing sliders where you can pull back timing in your knock areas, or if you have a large turbo to aid in its spoolup at lower rpms.

 

[AWDPSI]

dsmlink is the way to go. I used it for a long time and was amazing. I since then have started to use aem ems. Not for the light hearted, however If your interested im selling my dsmlink package. Email me at [email protected]

Scott

 

[GVR4592]

I think the emanage has acceleration and decleration fuel control as well as 2 base fuel maps and injector compensation

 

[4wd-Eclipse]

If you need more info about the emanage SEE this
http://www.mohdparts.com/emanage/index.html

 

[matt97gst]

A nice thing about DSMlink is that it's always being upgraded with new features..

 

[Thomas91169]

dsmlink owns everything.

face it, dsmlink is created FOR dsm's, with the dsm tuner in mind. unless youre building a full on drag car(in which aem and lots of dyno time are in your future), dsmlink is THE best thing for dsm's, period. anything else, is un-civilized.

besides, using the stock ecu to control timing, fuel and airflow owns piggybacks lying asses all day long. its just more efficient. the same reason why a safc can only be used so far, is cause piggyback style has severe limitations to how much it can "lie" to the ecu before the ecu figures it out, dsmlink overrides the ecu's ability to figure it out, and thus can control things more freely and can allow a whole lot more features, since you can control anything the ecu can.

plus, you dont have to be trained in teh link to start out. its so simple to use, almost too easy. from being able to log instataneously and able to log a wide array of values at very high data rates(300 samples per second, compared to 10 on a palm logger), and then to be able to post that log onto the dsmlink forums, and get shitloads of feedback from people who know more about tuning than you could ever dream of. they figured out my boost gauge was wrong(i thought i was at 20, when i was at 15 and the gauge was messed up) and that my mas was screwed up, and i added airflow to compensate and the car had so much more pull at top, and my knock was allieviated.

 

[johnfsmith]

The emanage ultimate controls injectors with out altering the airflow. I believe it's the only piggyback that does that so it works better than most other piggybacks. I have the emanage ultimate and it works great, I love the autotune for A/F but I'd have to say go with DSMLink. I'm actually thinking of switching over myself.

 

[stage2eclipse]

thnks guys, i think i know which one im gonna get now, DSM link, but you can keep giving more info if you could. im not gonna buy it for like 2-3 weeks. one other thing, are they coming out with a new version or something? should i wait to buy it so that i can get the new version or what? thanks

 

[ep3_04]

thnks guys, i think i know which one im gonna get now, DSM link, but you can keep giving more info if you could. im not gonna buy it for like 2-3 weeks. one other thing, are they coming out with a new version or something? should i wait to buy it so that i can get the new version or what? thanks

DSMlink is coming out with a new version, v3, but just get v2 because it's only $50 or something to upgrade to a newer version once it comes out.