Can I get my goals with this setup?

[napkinthief]

Ok I have an N/T right now, but I have stumbled on an offer for a gsx with some mods. I want 400 whp, but I dont want to spend more than 9000$. The car is for 7000. So I have 2000 in cash to spend on mods to make the 400 whp. I will not be disappointed if I am only make 375, or close to 400.

Heres the mods:

big 16g
walbro 190
550 injectors
safc2
act 2600
act lightweight flywheel
3" turbo back, ported o2 housing to 3"
shep tranny
hard ic piping


and suspension:

tien ss coilovers
stock rims with new tires (unnamed)


What kind of numbers could I be seeing with this as is, and what should I get with the other 2k that I have? I am unsure if there is a FMIC, but if not, that will be my first purchase. is the big16g good for my goals, or should I use my 57 trim t3/t4 that I am putting on my nt?

 

[fwdeclipse]

I doubt you could do it for $2000.You will need more along the lines of 650cc injectors,and an safc may not beable to tune it enough.You might want dsmlink.You may also want a larger turbo than a b16g,the evo316g can get you 400whp but will be difficult.Im not sure on the cost of a shep trans but i do know its not cheap.I added up the amount for the parts you have listed minus the trans is over2000.That is if you bought it all brand new.Good Luck

I did not add up the suspension mods or the flywhell or the uicp or bov.So no it will probably cost over that.Maybe if you bought everything used.Also yes you would have alot easier time getting 400awhp with a 57trim or even a 50 trim.

 

[weith1111]

Agree, you aren't going to get much over 350 with 550's and a 16g. A 50 trim and 650's would be your best bet. Gonna need a FMIC for sure, and DSMlink to tune. You could do everything but the turbo and stay under $2k probably. Then when you have the cash just toss on the turbo. Your days up until you strap on that turbo will be plenty fun still.

 

[Precision]

I would recomend this turbo, it will still bolt up and is internaly gated.
http://www.importevolution.com/product_info.php?cPath=111_113&products_id=2931

Second, you will need a stouter fuel system, I.E. Walbro 255, some 650cc injectors and an aeromotive FPR just for good measure.

If you wallet can handle it spring for some Crower stage 3's.

400 to the wheels easy!!!

 

[fwdeclipse]

Dont you think a 190lph would supply plenty of fuel for what his goals are?If he gets a 255lph then you have to buy the fpr and makes another tuning hassle.

Another thing the first time i added it up i did it using an safc.If you were to use dsmlink you have to buy an eprom ecu plus a laptop if you dont have one.Thats another grand right there.

 

[weith1111]

Dont you think a 190lph would supply plenty of fuel for what his goals are?If he gets a 255lph then you have to buy the fpr and makes another tuning hassle.

Another thing the first time i added it up i did it using an safc.If you were to use dsmlink you have to buy an eprom ecu plus a laptop if you dont have one.Thats another grand right there.

Woah, missed that shep tranny!

Leave that off the list too. No tranny, no turbo, and you could still do it, maybe, with DSMlink. Laptops can be had for $100, just gotta shop around or find someone getting out of their DSM

This is getting everything the cheapest you can, doing some fabbing, and ALL of the labor yourself. Otherwise you can kiss your 2 grand away on a clutch, flywheel, exhaust and installation!

 

[Precision]

If he gets a 255lph then you have to buy the fpr and makes another tuning hassle.

$30 for a fuel pressure gauge and set the idle pressure and the rising rate will stay 1:1 so it's no hassle at all.

 

[napkinthief]

I think there may be a misunderstanding, I will have all these mods, + an extra 2000 to meet my goals. So if I was to buy the 6031RS for 835, I would sell the 16g for say 300 and I would only be down 500. If I were to get DSMLink, I would sell the SAFC, which would only make the DSMLink cost me around 350, without laptop.

Would the 57 trim t3/t4 be useful for my goals or not? I would be willing to drop the 57 trim into the gsx and use the 16g from the gsx on the rs.

 

[Dream On]

Is there a reason you're just shooting for a number? Not going to see the track at all?

 

[fwdeclipse]

Ok that makes more sense.Yes the 57trim could get you there but if its a t3/t4 you will need to get a manifold and fab up a o2 housing of some sort.

 

[napkinthief]

Is there a reason you're just shooting for a number? Not going to see the track at all?

I just picked a number that I think is acheiveable for me if I try hard enough, but something that isn't too crazy that I cant drive on the street anymore. I figured since the STi comes with 300 hp, the 350z comes with 300 hp, and the evos come with 286 hp, and I want to be able to take any of the above in a race, but not just by a few feet, but by a lot, so I figured 400 seems like a decent number. This is also why I won't be disappointed if I dont actually hit 400, but close enough to have enough power to take these cars.

 

[Bigglesworth87]

I just picked a number that I think is acheiveable for me if I try hard enough, but something that isn't too crazy that I cant drive on the street anymore. I figured since the STi comes with 300 hp, the 350z comes with 300 hp, and the evos come with 286 hp, and I want to be able to take any of the above in a race, but not just by a few feet, but by a lot, so I figured 400 seems like a decent number. This is also why I won't be disappointed if I dont actually hit 400, but close enough to have enough power to take these cars.

It sounds easy but just picking a number and going with it and actually achieving is almost impossible. A car is only as fast by how its tuned. Sure simple bolt ons will make it quick but if your looking to go that fast its going to take a lot more then just bolting on a big turbo and going to a track. Oh and just because a dealers book/stats say a car is 300 hp does not mean its really a 300 hp car. Hell, my car is not even 200hp and Mitsu/Eagle claim its 210hp stock.

 

[napkinthief]

Which is why I want to get to around 400 hp. It will cancel out any room for error, either positive or negative. May I ask why you think its impossible to get to this 400 hp goal I am setting without picking the turbo first? Its as simple as get the mod done once, and forget about it other than maintenance. I dont want to have to switch through 2-3 turbos to find one that I like, I want to put the one that will get me where I want to be, and move to something else. I know a turbo alone wont get me anywhere, and I dont expect it to. That is why there is a 2000$ fund to add to other things that I will need.

The suspension seems to be good, although I have not researched anything on it. I know that I will need a good tune, I thought the safc would be good enough, but I guess not, which means I would need to go standalone or dsmlink. If I can find an already setup dsmlink, with laptop and all included, I will go that route, if not, maybe a standalone would be better for me.

Yes I am looking for a go fast car, which is why I am turboing my n/t. I am doing it not because I expect crazy hp numbers or 12 sec 1/4 miles, I am doing it because I can say, "yea, this is my rs, with a custom turbo kit that I spent 9 months making." I dunno it just seems that a car thats built in your own driveway seems to go faster and feel better than a car that someone else builds for you.

As for the stock horsepowers, a 2g turbo is rated at 210, but that was 10 years ago. Factor in wear and tear on the engine, tranny, and all the other things and you will see why your car is not 210 hp. I realize that if I just bolt on a turbo I will not see an instant 50 hp gain, but with the correct timing and tuning, I can see numbers that will blow my mind. My n/t 2g is the fastest car I have driven daily. My other cars have been a ford econoline 350 van (my fathers) and a crown victoria (uncles). Each has there problems, and the eclipse is something I have no problems with. Its heavy but not too heavy, its handles well, and is still comfortable, has decent acceleration for an n/t, and a good top speed, and good gas mileage. Yea I know my gas mileage is going to drop when the turbo gets dropped in, but you gotta pay for speed, and the price is in gallons in this situation.

I am typing to much, so let me just finish this one up. What kind of acceleration would I be seeing in a 400 hp beast? Am I going to be flung back into the seat when the 57 trim wakes up, or is it going to be something that will just ease in and slowly tuck me into the seat as the pedal goes down? Also, the guy says there is a shep tranny in there, how can I find out if it is a shep tranny or not? Would it be marked, or does he need to show me a receipt?

 

[Bigglesworth87]

May I ask why you think its impossible to get to this 400 hp goal I am setting without picking the turbo first?

Yes and I am glad you ask this. You will notice something the more you post on here and read what others put. Its a constant post that say (I want XXX amount of horsepower) then when they dont get the numbers they are looking for they come back here complaining about not knowing how they didnt get their goals. That make sence? I tend to get off topic sometimes in my post. Regardless, Im not trying to say its impossible to achieve that goal but its going to be a difficult process. Tuning is the most important part of making power and after reading your last post I see that you do have more knowleged then the average newbie tuner on the site. If you want my honest opinion I would try to plan out what turbo you plan on going with to get you to your goal and find out what mods helped other users acheive similar goals with that particular turbo. I am like you, and I dont want to buy something multiple times. I hope I answered your questions, and if you found it usefull then I am happy it helped.

 

[Bigglesworth87]

Oh and you should seriously think about what turbo you should go with and what your overall goal for the car is. Will it be a drag/auto crosser/dyno queen or what? Figuring that out will also aid in your quest for what mods to buy. I personally plan on doing auto crossing so I will want a turbo that spools quickly and holds to redline. So I decided to go with a t28. Larger turbos will respond differently but most of them have horrible lag and dont get full spool until the higher RPM range. They will throw you in your seat and help acheive high hp but with something like a t28 can get you full boost before 4000rpm.

 

[napkinthief]

Yea spool is a big issue, thats why I would either have a ball bearing or a smaller turbo. My 57 trim is a bb turbo, so I am expecting a decent spool out of it. The car is going to be a daily driver, and I plan on having 2 boost settings, unsure of how many lbs at each yet, but I am thinking 15-20 daily, and tuned if I can get it around 30-35. Hopefully this will put me where I want to be, so when I have a ricer honda I dont have to push my engine to 30 psi, but when I race another car that has some power behind it I can show em what a dsm can really do.


How can I tell if the tranny really is a shep, and the flywheel really is lightweight? Things like SAFC and turbo I can see and read the numbers on housing, but what about internal things? Also does this seem like a good offer for 7k?

 

[weith1111]

Ok I have an N/T right now, but I have stumbled on an offer for a gsx with some mods. I want 400 whp, but I dont want to spend more than 9000$. The car is for 7000. So I have 2000 in cash to spend on mods to make the 400 whp. I will not be disappointed if I am only make 375, or close to 400.

Heres the mods:

big 16g
walbro 190
550 injectors
safc2
act 2600
act lightweight flywheel
3" turbo back, ported o2 housing to 3"
shep tranny
hard ic piping


and suspension:

tien ss coilovers
stock rims with new tires (unnamed)


What kind of numbers could I be seeing with this as is, and what should I get with the other 2k that I have? I am unsure if there is a FMIC, but if not, that will be my first purchase. is the big16g good for my goals, or should I use my 57 trim t3/t4 that I am putting on my nt?

Wow, I COMPLETELY misread this post. You are looking to mod up from these existing mods. I thought this was your wishlist. Well then.

I'd say find out about the FMIC, if it doesn't have one, there is your first purchase. Up the injectors to 650's, get DSMlink and a wideband. You will be over $1000 at this point, around $1500 if you needed to get the FMIC. That turbo will take you pretty damn far, and considering you have been driving an NT and a van, it will make you crap your pants plenty. I'd go from there. If you feel the need to upgrade the turbo still, at that point, you have all the supporting mods, and just need to swap out turbos, so you aren't really losing anything.

 

[fwdeclipse]

So if you plan to buy this GSX why would you continue to spend the money on the n/t?I guess two fast cars is better than one.

 

[weith1111]

So if you plan to buy this GSX why would you continue to spend the money on the n/t?I guess two fast cars is better than one.

More confusion. This thread is chaos!

He's not modding the NT, he's not satisfied with the already modded GSX, so he wants to add some more balls to it.

 

[fwdeclipse]

Ok I have an N/T right now, but I have stumbled on an offer for a gsx with some mods. I want 400 whp, but I dont want to spend more than 9000$. The car is for 7000. So I have 2000 in cash to spend on mods to make the 400 whp. I will not be disappointed if I am only make 375, or close to 400.

Heres the mods:

big 16g
walbro 190
550 injectors
safc2
act 2600
act lightweight flywheel
3" turbo back, ported o2 housing to 3"
shep tranny
hard ic piping


and suspension:

tien ss coilovers
stock rims with new tires (unnamed)


What kind of numbers could I be seeing with this as is, and what should I get with the other 2k that I have? I am unsure if there is a FMIC, but if not, that will be my first purchase. is the big16g good for my goals, or should I use my 57 trim t3/t4 that I am putting on my nt?

At the top it says he has stumbled across an offer for a gsx.He has the n/t right now and wants to buy the gsx.

 

[napkinthief]

So if you plan to buy this GSX why would you continue to spend the money on the n/t?I guess two fast cars is better than one.

When you get into turboing an nt, and you are as far as I am with the project its kind of hard to let go of it.

More confusion. This thread is chaos!

He's not modding the NT, he's not satisfied with the already modded GSX, so he wants to add some more balls to it.

I am modding the n/t, and I dont know if I would be satisfied with the GSX.

 

[weith1111]

When you get into turboing an nt, and you are as far as I am with the project its kind of hard to let go of it.



I am modding the n/t, and I dont know if I would be satisfied with the GSX.

In that case, why?

The GSX will be plenty, and if I were going to mod something, it would be the GSX some more later on down the road. Keep the NT reliable so when the GSX breaks you still have a car.

My .02

 

[napkinthief]

I am thinking of just selling my turbo kit for the n/t, and keeping the gsx, putting the money I get from the turbo kit into a paint job or something.

 

[weith1111]

I am thinking of just selling my turbo kit for the n/t, and keeping the gsx, putting the money I get from the turbo kit into a paint job or something.

It's understandable to not want to give up on the NT, especially if you have a lot of time into it, but trust me, the first time you get a 1.7 60ft you will never look back!