Buying a bigger turbo

[drk mrk iv]

I am doing a budget upgrade for my 1996 tsi awd.
I have all the bolt on parts save afc, injectors, and intercooler. I am running 2.5inch turboback exhaust.

I plan on getting:
t04b vtrim from bullseye and run it on my motor with 110k miles. I plan on making less than 20lbs of boost. I also plan on running an evo3 manifold and ported o2 housing and have it be cooled by an obx front mount I/C with hardpipes... (please don't flame me). I also plan on running an act2100 clutch with upgrade fork as well...

My goals are around 350hp and for street driving. I don't think tuning will be too much of a hassle with this turbo and I think the obx I/C will hold up just fine.


I will probably run 650's with safcII and datalogger for tuning, along with 255 pump.


Does anyone have any comments on my settup? I am still contemplating on running internal or external wastegate. If I run external, I will get the slowboy manifold and Tial wastegate. What would you do?


Sorry if this is confusing, so let me sum it all up:

t04b vtrim
obx FMIC
650 injectors with safcII and datalogger
SBR manifold with external WG or EVOIII with Internal WG
Also, I still have my ingen intake. I think it will be too small for the inlet housing.

Thanks.

 

[liquordrunk]

AFPR............I ran an external dump on my set up but then again for your setup if your on a budget you might as well stay internal. Unless you have a little extra to play with.

 

[skinnykenny84]

sounds like a pretty good set up to be on a budget. as far as peoples comment on your setup its all opinion, and you know what they say about opinions! as far as the external/internal waste gate issue if you go with the external you shouldnt have to worry about boost creep at all. you would be able to switch to a full 3" exhaust. if you go with the turbo you said and get it ported correctly, with correct flapper you shouldnt have to worry about a external w.g. while your bull shitten you shouldnt get much creep with just a 2.5" exhaust anyway. keep us posted with the results. if your ever near Raleigh check me out. always nice to meet a fellow DSMer.

 

[KPEclipse]

that setup sounds real nice...im about to do my own budget turbo upgrade, and i'm staying internal gate just to save some $ unless I find a nice external gated turbo...but then you have to worry about the manifold and all

Either way that sounds like a good setup...if you are really that worried about the intake, have someone make you a custom intake pipe, that's what I plan on doing...

good luck man

 

[92awddsm]

IMHO, I would just go with a ported evo 3. I havent seen any true perfomance #'s from the v-trim yet. I did have one on my car with external(full garrett) and granted, it performed well, I dont think the headache is worth the slight performance increse over the evo3. I did have to trim my pass fan just to fit the t04b and that was on a 1g. The 2g has even less room under the hood so Im sure you will need some trimming also. If you decide to go bigger than the evo3, I would just go ahead and get the agp rs49t. You will spend about the same as the v-trim but you also get the 1yr warranty standard with no extra cost and it has been proven to make good power, even with the 650 injectors. And I would just run an internal wg.

 

[drk mrk iv]

The reasons I don't want to mess with a ported EVOIII is because it is going to cost me more to get the turbo and install kit than it would to get me a 50trim. 650 from slowboy plus another 200 or so for the install kit. I can't shell out almost a grand for a turbo that will barely get me 300hp. From my research the Vtrim's horribly untuned are getting into the 300's with ease. I have looked into the AGP's 49'er, but it is too big and too expensive. I just bought my 2.5 inch turbo back exhaust. I did that to keep myself from going too wild. I am going to call up bullseye tomorrow and ask them about their fitment and oil feed line length (I've heard it was too short). Thanks for the responses.

 

[kanderson111]

I'm currently in the process of installing the to4b v-trim. The oil feed line is definitely not to short, perhaps a little on the long side. The oil drain line does not fit perfect, you will have to dremel the motor mount a little to get it to set right. I also had to cut two pillars off of the stock fan (3 remaining support the motor fine.) The stock intake tube is too small to fit on the turbo, you will need a 3" tube. Hope this helps.

 

[daren_p]

With your setup its probably better to go with the 190 lph pump, otherwise your going to need to get an afpr as the 255 will overrun the stock unit. Also 650's might be abit big to control with the safc. I know there are a bunch of guys doing it, but that doesn't mean its right. I haven't checked the bullseye prices lately, but are they really that much cheeper then the agp RS49T? They are on sale for $699 & $100 more for internal wg. They also come with a 1 yr warranty & a polished cover .

http://www.agpturbo.com/customer/product.php?productid=113&cat=&page=

 

[drk mrk iv]

I would, but when you factor in the internal wastegate, oil lines and gaskets it turns out to be around 1k with shipping. I don't have that kind of money on me right now. Also, OBX intercoolers are backordered for about 2-3 months, so there goes my budget intercooling.

 

[liquordrunk]

I would, but when you factor in the internal wastegate, oil lines and gaskets it turns out to be around 1k with shipping. I don't have that kind of money on me right now. Also, OBX intercoolers are backordered for about 2-3 months, so there goes my budget intercooling.

Have you looked at the johnny racecar fmic.
http://www.dsmtuners.com/forums/showthread.php?t=192058&highlight=johnny

 

[IMMORTALSPYDER]

Did you already buy the clutch, if not you may want to step up to a 2600.

 

[Talon96tsiAWD]

Heres my suggestions, mainly because its what i am running, and i am happy with it....

walboro 255 HP
FIC 650cc injectors
safc2
evo3 manifold
2.5" stainless o2 housing
pocketlogger
FP 4" intake with 2g mas conversion
and a big front mount

my car idles smoothly at 750 rpm, no bogging and none of this you car will run like crap without an aftermarket regulator. I say step up to a act 2600 now, instead of later. Once you have those mods, and after you make your decision on a turbo, start tuning everything and i think you will be happy

 

[drk mrk iv]

Thanks for the advices. My friend is selling me his brand new PTE 680cc injectors for 120 dollars. I know these aren't the best injectors, but is this still a good deal?

It looks like my settup is looking something like this:

JRC I/C
T04b vtrim
680's, 255 rewired, afpr
safcII and datalogger

Oh, and a new idle controll sensor. Mine's dead.

 

[daren_p]

Thanks for the advices. My friend is selling me his brand new PTE 680cc injectors for 120 dollars. I know these aren't the best injectors, but is this still a good deal?

It looks like my settup is looking something like this:

JRC I/C
T04b vtrim
680's, 255 rewired, afpr
safcII and datalogger

Oh, and a new idle controll sensor. Mine's dead.

Looks like most PTE actually flow less then the same FIC (ie their 680's flow slightly less then FIC 650's) but for that price you can't go wrong. Just get them flow tested (~$25 if you don't need them cleaned) to be sure if you want. They should still be more then enough for the turbo your looking at. What do all the bullseye parts add up too? Back when they first came out 6 months ago when I was checking into them it was around 1g as well when you add in the internal wg, gaskets, oil feed/return lines & the additional warrenty?

 

[drk mrk iv]

Where would I get them flowtested at? Also, the reason I am not interested in that turbo is because I would have to dent the waterpipe and I hate polished compressor wheels. The bullseye one comes out to be a hair over 800 while the RS49T comes out to be over a grand.

 

[daren_p]

Where would I get them flowtested at? Also, the reason I am not interested in that turbo is because I would have to dent the waterpipe and I hate polished compressor wheels. The bullseye one comes out to be a hair over 800 while the RS49T comes out to be over a grand.

This is where I got mine flow tested:

http://www.cruzinperformance.com/

All the info is listed on their webpage. I delt with Rich, I believe he's the owner. Their prices are great and he was extremely helpful with injector info. Another dsmtuners member recommended him to me & I will defently deal with him again in the future. They want $5 per injector to test them & then if you want them cleaned/replace seals/test etc. its still only $12 per injector. For comparison RC wants between $25-28 per injector for the clean/test.

Are you sure you have to dent the waterpipe with one and not the other (according to the turbonetics add, you don't have too)? They both use the same turbine housing and the comp housings are pretty much the same size, aren't they? Maybe someone with experience with these 2 turbo's can chime in, but the bullseye turbo uses a 270 deg thrust bearing (or have they changed?)? What about the turbonetics?

From AGP's website

$699 turbo
$100 oil feed/return
$100 internal wg
$25 inlet/oultlet gaskets

$924 total

To4b kit

$699 turbo
-$25 no elbow
$125 internal wg
$69 warranty

$868 total

So they are pretty comparable, now for that little bit extra if you get a better thrust bearing (do you?), abit more airflow and a turbo that is more proven, I personally would spend the extra but thats just my opinion . More then likely a turbonetics will find its way to my manifold in the future

 

[scottsee]

in my opinion you wont need the evoIII manifold unless your 2g manny is cracked or otherwise un-usable. use that $ on an aremotive afpr w/ AN return lines, Fuel pressure gauge & 40amp rewire. 2g ported mannys will flow enough for thoses turbos.

you can get away with a 190 with those injectors and not have to get a fpr. but you will have to buy everything agian when you do go bigger. so spend the extra $200 to do it the right way!

Being on a budget i suggest going internal waste, their cheaper and slightly more ajustable. their are drawbacks, boost creep is the largest, but buying a 2.5-3in 02 housing or porting out the stock 02 will clear that up. i've seen EvoIII o2's on ebay new from reputable sellers for $92 + shipping. and external 3in dump 02 for $60-80. Blow buy shouldn't be any issue with those size turbos. Custom make your oil lines. there are industrial hose companys that make those hoses by the foot. i bought my 3foot steel braided oil line for my Electric Oil gauge for $13 with fittings. its alot cheaper, and most locations warrenty the hoses. http://www.spokanehose.com/ .

There are plenty of inexpensive Intercoolers out their. Lots of information available too to help you pick the right one. i dont suspect you'll need anything to big, $150-250 for the core and end tanks. make sure they are properly angled for best flow results. You'll probably endup spending more $ on the custom pipeing unless you have a bender and welder at hand to your desposal.

650's are hard to dial in with safc2's. but doable. good luck getting things together.

things to conider: Wideband, Alcho Ijection, breaking in the cluch befor the tubo install.

 

[drk mrk iv]

Thanks for the replies. I made another thread in turbotech about the comparisons of the two turbos. I will probably end up biting the bullet and getting a dsmlink.

 

[daren_p]

Thanks for the replies. I made another thread in turbotech about the comparisons of the two turbos. I will probably end up biting the bullet and getting a dsmlink.

DSMLink , one of the best investments I made, well worth what they want for it.

 

[KPEclipse]

yeah everyone that I know does the dsm link and loves it...I don't even know how it works or how to use it yet... I plan on going that route someday...if you do get dsmlink I know that its a good setup, the guys in south jersey around here talk about it and almost all of them use it.
good luck with your setup